waiting for resolution RAZBAM Situation Post Archive (will be deleted)

[Oban]

6 minutes ago, Rainmaker said:

I don’t need to blindly trust one’s statement when the other confirmed part of it. Payment withheld.  The other party did make a criminal accusation against the other and has chosen to make the claim (by choice) and pull the legal card out when it comes to substantiating. Also, again, for about the 20th time now, which court ruled on that exactly to make it so?  Choose to blindly believe that if you want. I don’t have to, and won’t. 

And why do you feel they have to substantiate anything publicly especially within the court of public opinion, of which we're all participants ?

You keep dismissing that it's almost guranteed that ED have been advised by their legal team to refrain from anymore public posts. You don't have to have a court rule on that, it's just common practice, less said, soonest mended , and prevents words being twisted and disterted in order to provide a narrative.

Neither party gets a free pass in this mess.

[Mizzy]

2 minutes ago, exhausted said:

You look like you're fixing to pop. Go off and do something else so you can lose your temper there. Nobody likes witnessing grown people break down.

Reported harassment, goodbye for the second and final time.

[exhausted]

2 minutes ago, Nightdare said:

 

If RB is the party conducting business in good fashion, I see every reason why they had to do what they did, a company can't operate on good faith alone

If your boss stops paying you, at a certain point, you'll stop working, you can't continue giving free service to the customer while the bills are piling up, sucks for the customer, but they should then take it up with your boss

I'll reiterate: when the subcontractor is the party conducting business in good fashion, because even I as a customer, can see a company taking measures against a contractor that does not hold up his/her end of the deal

(...still doesn't change that the company should make sure the customer gets inconvenienced as little as possible, though if it's a specialized service/product, getting replacement quickly is not a simple matter of hiring a new party)

Ding ding ding

This is how it boils down. If ED wouldn't pay attention any other way, then Razbam got their attention. To be clear, I know it requires more than just urgency to resolve the issue, but it looks like ED was expecting to hold off on resolving their issue with Razbam without any timeline. This is what has so many people upset at the outcome. 

[Oban]

3 minutes ago, exhausted said:

You look like you're fixing to pop. Go off and do something else so you can lose your temper there. Nobody likes witnessing grown people break down.

LOL, this thread is full of people having meltdowns, it's what makes it last 93 pages, the entertainment is priceless.

[Mizzy]

1 minute ago, Oban said:

LOL, this thread is full of people having meltdowns, it's what makes it last 93 pages, the entertainment is priceless.

Agreed as long as they don't start harassing you it's ok !

Mizzy

[Oban]

Just now, Mizzy said:

Agreed as long as they don't start harassing you it's ok !

Mizzy

Try not to take it personally, it's the internet, there's no doubt that passions and frustrations are high, as are expectations, it's the nature of the beast sadly.

[Nightdare]

3 hours ago, exhausted said:

Assuming some of what both sides are saying is true, then we know that as end users we have an interest in discussion and in planning our purchases.

 

You either assume or know

[Rainmaker]

1 minute ago, Oban said:

And why do you feel they have to substantiate anything publicly especially within the court of public opinion, of which we're all participants ?

You keep dismissing that it's almost guranteed that ED have been advised by their legal team to refrain from anymore public posts. You don't have to have a court rule on that, it's just common practice, less said, soonest mended , and prevents words being twisted and disterted in order to provide a narrative.

Neither party gets a free pass in this mess.

I think you are not following the conversation.   I made a post about substantiating claims.  Got quoted on said post. I responded. Got told my response was ‘word salad’ or something rather. Now all the sudden, not word salad anymore and another response. Still nothing substantial there. I responded.  Did they need to respond?  Did I initially quote anyone when I made the post?  No.  SZ chose to ask why I blindly followed one and not the other. I stated I didn’t have to as it was substantiated already.  No need to blindly believe anything.   I didn’t make the statement…I just asked if someone could provide anything and I would be waiting. People chose to quote that. I responded. Not that hard to understand. You are again trying to make more out of it than what it was.  
 

And yes, guilt is determined in court.  Anything out outside of that is just a party allegation. THAT’S IT!  

[NineLine]

30 minutes ago, Rainmaker said:

Statements don’t equal that. 

That is all we have and all that should be referenced, everything else is opinion and suggestion unless you are speaking formally and officially on behalf of RAZBAM you don't know any more or any less than anyone else. Thanks

[Nightdare]

5 minutes ago, exhausted said:

Ding ding ding

This is how it boils down. If ED wouldn't pay attention any other way, then Razbam got their attention.

 

I didn't hear any bell

RB already got ED's attention, that's why they stopped paying, what RB did was get our attention, they should have took it on with ED, not trying to use us as weapon

 

5 minutes ago, exhausted said:

To be clear, I know it requires more than just urgency to resolve the issue, but it looks like ED was expecting to hold off on resolving their issue with Razbam without any timeline. This is what has so many people upset at the outcome. 

 

Where does it look like that

RB did something ED didn't want, apparently RB didn't listen, as such ED took action to pressure RB, that looks more like a way to solve things sooner than later

[exhausted]

6 minutes ago, Nightdare said:

 

You either assume or know

Wisdom matters  The strength of knowledge is often based on assumed predications. If you based what you know only on what you have verified yourself, then your knowledge would be much narrower. Circumstances are responsible for much if not most of your knowledge.

[NineLine]

Just now, exhausted said:

Wisdom matters  The strength of knowledge is often based on assumed predications. If you based what you know only on what you have verified yourself, then your knowledge would be much narrower. Circumstances are responsible for much if not most of your knowledge.

I read that in a fortune cookie once I think. 

[exhausted]

3 minutes ago, Nightdare said:

 

I didn't hear any bell

RB already got ED's attention, that's why they stopped paying, what RB did was get our attention, they should have took it on with ED, not trying to use us as weapon

 

 

Where does it look like that

RB did something ED didn't want, apparently RB didn't listen, as such ED took action to pressure RB, that looks more like a way to solve things sooner than later

I think you're confusing the need to actually resolve the issue. You can have the attention of the person who doesn't want to pay you while still not having the attention of that person to resolve the issue. This isn't rocket science, you know?

[Rainmaker]

2 minutes ago, NineLine said:

That is all we have and all that should be referenced, everything else is opinion and suggestion unless you are speaking formally and officially on behalf of RAZBAM you don't know any more or any less than anyone else. Thanks

And lets stop with the RB associations?  You know full well I don’t have any official associations with either party. 

[The_GhostRider]

Hope the mods don't close this thread, 93 pages of warmth and affection and I'm hoping we can get to 100+ 

[Oban]

1 minute ago, exhausted said:

Wisdom matters  The strength of knowledge is often based on assumed predications. If you based what you know only on what you have verified yourself, then your knowledge would be much narrower. Circumstances are responsible for much if not most of your knowledge.

Oh that's an awesome quote sir!

I also like "assumptions are the mother of all f**kups" 

[NineLine]

Just now, Rainmaker said:

And lets stop with the RB associations?  You know full well I don’t have any official associations with either party. 

You are an SME, with a special role on their Discord, and you do have some relationship with them, that said you missed the point. Your opinion is no more or less important than anyone else here, you don't need to fight so hard to make it. 

Also, some seem to have missed this:

Just a friendly reminder to be kind to each other and keep the forum rules in mind. Share your opinion, good bad or indifferent, but understand everyone has their own point of view and opinion on all this. Thanks. 

We have been pretty easy going on this thread lets not push it ok? Everyone is frustrated enough without having to deal with moderation. 

[Nightdare]

Just now, exhausted said:

Wisdom matters  The strength of knowledge is often based on assumed predications. If you based what you know only on what you have verified yourself, then your knowledge would be much narrower. Circumstances are responsible for much if not most of your knowledge.

 

Wrong, knowledge is knowledge, it's reach is 100% fact, assumptions is gambling, it's reach is 0-100% so at best it's only as wide as actual knowledge

[Rainmaker]

6 minutes ago, NineLine said:

You are an SME, with a special role on their Discord, and you do have some relationship with them, that said you missed the point. Your opinion is no more or less important than anyone else here, you don't need to fight so hard to make it. 

What’s your point?  The fact I have a green tag on my name to differentiate me from joe schmo when it comes to F-15 related stuff. You mean the sole reason it was created for?  Because myself and a few others have actual experience on the real airplane?  Because we had the young potatoes of the world showing up and dreaming up all kinds of stuff so we were tagged so they knew who we were. Those tags?  Same ones that places like the 10% True channel use to differentiate SMEs. Those tags?

Edited June 17, 2024 by Rainmaker

[NineLine]

Just now, Rainmaker said:

What’s your point?  The fact I have a green tag on my name to differentiate me from joe schmo when it comes to F-15 related stuff. You mean the sole reason it was created for?  Because myself and a few others have actual experience on the real airplane?  Because we had the young potatoes of the world showing up and dreaming up all kinds of stuff so we were tagged so they knew who we were. Those tags?  Same ones that places like the 10% True channel use to differentiate SMEs. Those tags. 

Once again, you are missing the point. Stop getting so mad because some have an opinion differing from yours. This can go to several people in this thread, but also to you.

[SkateZilla]

Edited June 17, 2024 by SkateZilla

[Rainmaker]

3 minutes ago, NineLine said:

Once again, you are missing the point. Stop getting so mad because some have an opinion differing from yours. This can go to several people in this thread, but also to you.

You are greatly misinterpreting my emotional mood when it comes to this situation. 

But implying that I have some sort of tilted viewpoint because I have a tag on discord, when I actually have tags on multiple discords for the same thing, is pretty comedic actually. 

[SkateZilla]

28 minutes ago, Rainmaker said:

SZ chose to ask why I blindly followed one and not the other. I stated I didn’t have to as it was substantiated already.  No need to blindly believe anything.   I didn’t make the statement…I just asked if someone could provide anything and I would be waiting. People chose to quote that. I responded. Not that hard to understand. You are again trying to make more out of it than what it was.  

And I thank you for answering, was just curious to see the other another PoV that's all, Discord status didnt have a part as I dont frequent the RB discord.

lol, Cause I carry so many titles across so many discords, I'm like Barnes and Noble.

Edited June 17, 2024 by SkateZilla

[Nightdare]

22 minutes ago, exhausted said:

I think you're confusing the need to actually resolve the issue. You can have the attention of the person who doesn't want to pay you while still not having the attention of that person to resolve the issue. This isn't rocket science, you know?

It sure isn't rocket science

RB went public, but not with any information about "why" only the "therefore", that is not by any means a step to resolve an issue, that was just giving us a memo

All you need to do is jump a few months further back to ask "Why is ED not paying RB?", but you don't, you just 'assume' it's 'reasons', while I'm 'assuming' you are not that dumb to 'know' that a client not paying a contractor for no good reason, is gonna get that client in a hell of a lot of hotter water and gonna cost a whole lot more than simply keeping relations good

Wanna resolve a dispute? Start at the beginning, not at the last escalation

 

Edited June 17, 2024 by Nightdare

[Canada_Moose]

RAZBAM have a chequered history in both Flight Simulator and DCS.

I only have the Harrier but I'm not holding my breath nor am I buying for one minute the line being peddled by RAZBAM as 100% truthful.

I find it very odd that statements posted by RAZBAM are being treated as gospel but anything from ED (including silence) is treated as insincere or untruthful when in reality its best for legal representation to do the talking behind the scenes.

I do think continuing to sell the modules with no warning to potential buyers is a bad call though.