Bomb Fuze Update

[Mapi]

i am conFUZEd

[Didge007]

JDAM's being duds or not seems totally random at the moment.

Flew 3 sorties, first sortie JDAM's exploded on impact - all good

2nd Soertie even after setting efuze to inst on the ground I got closer to the TA and efuze was off, then had to wait for re-alignment, they then worked fine

3rd sortie, everything showing normal efuze on they dropped but were Dud's., tried re-aligning, they still wouldn't go off?

Any ideas?

Edited May 30, 2024 by Didge007

[MarkyMark]

On 5/30/2024 at 10:30 AM, Didge007 said:

JDAM's being duds or not seems totally random at the moment.

Flew 3 sorties, first sortie JDAM's exploded on impact - all good

2nd Soertie even after setting efuze to inst on the ground I got closer to the TA and efuze was off, then had to wait for re-alignment, they then worked fine

3rd sortie, everything showing normal efuze on they dropped but were Dud's., tried re-aligning, they still wouldn't go off?

Any ideas?

 

Yeah. I had random bricks dropping too. One time was mismatched fusing on LGBs, ok…not sure if that’s correct but whatever.

 

but the JDAMs…I literally reloaded the exact same loadout and had duds. For no reason.

 

how frustrating.

[NineLine]

On 6/2/2024 at 7:42 AM, MarkyMark said:

Yeah. I had random bricks dropping too. One time was mismatched fusing on LGBs, ok…not sure if that’s correct but whatever.

 

but the JDAMs…I literally reloaded the exact same loadout and had duds. For no reason.

 

how frustrating.

Can you give me a track or info to reproduce and I will check?

[EmJay22]

I am wondering if there is some reference tables that shows which fuses should be used with which bombs.

There is one page "Armament's Matrix"  in the Chuck's F/A-18 Guide on page 369 but I am not sure if it is correct or shows all the fuses currently available in the latest DCS update.

[Mapi]

https://www.fighterpilotpodcast.com/post/understanding-the-fmu-139-and-its-employment-options

It looks like there's another long way to go for ED. Do we need the complexity for this game? And when is it supposed to work. with all the mods ?

 

[EmJay22]

https://www.fighterpilotpodcast.com/post/understanding-the-fmu-139-and-its-employment-options
It looks like there's another long way to go for ED. Do we need the complexity for this game? And when is it supposed to work. with all the mods ?
 

Thanks for posting this link. Very informative.

I just don’t understand why if there is going to be such a significant change, why can’t there be some sort of “default” fuse that works.

As soon as I saw those orange triangles while selecting ordinance, my first thought was “What fresh hell is this?”


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[Saguanay]

So playing with the airburst, what fuses are used other than the DSU-33 for the nose.   I can't change the height of burst.   I tried the FM139 and the weapon just went into the ground.   Tried VT1 with that.  Nadda.

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[Mapi]

WIP; Eay candy; Hollywood ?

[Muchocracker]

On 6/8/2024 at 9:36 AM, EmJay22 said:

Thanks for posting this link. Very informative.

I just don’t understand why if there is going to be such a significant change, why can’t there be some sort of “default” fuse that works.

As soon as I saw those orange triangles while selecting ordinance, my first thought was “What fresh hell is this?”


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There is. The issue is the on the avionics side in the aircraft. Hopefully it'll get fixed soon. 

You're never going to get a default that works for everything. Just how it's gonna be moving forward. Set up the fuses you need for the target you're going after. 

[spikef22]

Messing with plug fuzes atm, seems tail fuzes are not modeled at all for any of the Mk 80 LD bombs. Can anyone else confirm? 

 

Ok with further testing there is for sure a bug. With the plug fuzes usually the SMS will see the bomb as a dud but if you switch to instant and ccip and kinda just dip the nose down till you barely see the cross and drop the bomb it still detonates normally. If you dwell too long on the attack you'll get a dud and the bomb wont fuze. 

Edited June 20, 2024 by spikef22

[MoCluck]

I cannot get Mk82s to explode, I have tried with two fuzes. All of them were duds. The CBU-99's fall long of the target when in Auto Mode too.

The manual isn't too informative either on how to set them up. Everything was fine, and then they messed with it. 

[spikef22]

7 hours ago, MoCluck said:

I cannot get Mk82s to explode, I have tried with two fuzes. All of them were duds. The CBU-99's fall long of the target when in Auto Mode too.

The manual isn't too informative either on how to set them up. Everything was fine, and then they messed with it. 

Which fuze are you using? As I was saying earlier the tail fuzes seem to be not implemented properly yet. The M905E4 and DSU-33 nose fuzes should work fine.

[Red_Camarada]

8 hours ago, MoCluck said:

I cannot get Mk82s to explode, I have tried with two fuzes. All of them were duds. The CBU-99's fall long of the target when in Auto Mode too.

The manual isn't too informative either on how to set them up. Everything was fine, and then they messed with it. 

Same here, the mk series bombs does not seem to work with other than the standart fuze, the 139 and 152 does not trigger the desired results.

Is there a table or manual on which fuze must be used on each bomb?

[spikef22]

36 minutes ago, Red_Camarada said:

Same here, the mk series bombs does not seem to work with other than the standart fuze, the 139 and 152 does not trigger the desired results.

Is there a table or manual on which fuze must be used on each bomb?

All of these fuzes should be compatible, seems to be both an implementation and aircraft simulation level issue.

[MoCluck]

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On 6/21/2024 at 3:48 AM, spikef22 said:

Which fuze are you using? As I was saying earlier the tail fuzes seem to be not implemented properly yet. The M905E4 and DSU-33 nose fuzes should work fine.

I have tried them all, and each is a dud

[spikef22]

1 hour ago, MoCluck said:

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I have tried them all, and each is a dud

Yep that's exactly what I experienced too. Sometimes I was able to get the tail fuzes to go off in instant. But usally only the nose fuzes worked.

[Corsac]

On 6/5/2024 at 1:42 AM, NineLine said:

Can you give me a track or info to reproduce and I will check?

So I just tried a sortie on Grayflag Sinai with JDAM and they were all duds, very frustrating. Not sure if you still need a track (I might have one but it's the whole sortie and it's 55MB, tell me if it's needed).

I took 4× GBU31v3 (penetrators). I've configured them with: FMU-143 fuze (from Wags video I understand that's the "penetrator" one), I left the arming delay to 5.5 (default) and set the fuze delay to 0.12 (for penetration). I've dropped four of them on bunkers, two missed completely (a bit unsure why) but the two that hit seemed complete duds.

The current situation with fuzes is really frustrating. Everything seem to be buggy and it's pretty random whether your sortie will be successful or not. I think some of the problems are "skill issues" but it'd be really helpful to actually know what DCS expects as fuzes for different weapons and different effects. We can try real world documentation but we have no idea how it's implemented in DCS so it's be best to have DCS documentation.

Thanks for any help on this and again if you need the 55M track just ask.

[MoCluck]

I tested it tonight, for me the bombs only failed to detonate (were duds) if I hot started or loaded the mission with them already on the plane. If I loaded in with a clean airplane, and then got the ground crew to attach bombs, they worked.

CBU 99's still go way long of the target when in auto mode though. Very frustrating.

[AndrewDCS2005]

 

[EmJay22]

19 minutes ago, AndrewDCS2005 said:

 

I could not agree with this post more!! 

ED needs to update the PDF "Early Access Guide" .. which has not be updated for almost a year. 

We are all supposed to be experts? 

There seems to be an attitude .. "why everyone knows what fuzes you are supposed to use and how to set them"... 

I'm going back to reading my non-existent F/A -18 C NATOPS....

 

[tflash]

Let me add a classic rant from my side! Cluster bombs are broken by this "realism" update. The only real thing is that many of the missions I worked hard to design no longer work. This whole fuze thing makes no sense at all. They will not sell even one extra module by developing this "functionality". If I want to know more about fuzes, I'll read a book. ED, I have almost all your modules. How are you going to make new money by spending time on harassing existing customers with futilities instead of focussing on new modules for me to buy? What is the business model behind this nonsense?

[Muchocracker]

Sir this is a wendy's

[tflash]

On 6/30/2024 at 1:04 PM, MoCluck said:

I tested it tonight, for me the bombs only failed to detonate (were duds) if I hot started or loaded the mission with them already on the plane. If I loaded in with a clean airplane, and then got the ground crew to attach bombs, they worked.

CBU 99's still go way long of the target when in auto mode though. Very frustrating.

 

On 7/7/2024 at 10:40 AM, Muchocracker said:

Sir this is a wendy's

Yes sorry forget the rant we're mixing 2 problems here. I do not have issues with the fuze settings and cannot replicate the dud issues, but I do have the unrelated problem mentioned by MoCluck with the CBU-99's in auto mode that veer off far from course. But that's for another thread I suppose.

[tflash]

PS am I right that with the older fuses M90E4 you get a dud on BRU pylons? I had to change the default loadout settings to a more modern fuse to avoid the dud showing up, preventing release.