can not reproduce F16 ccrp imprecision

[ReveWolf]

@Lord Vader the track is too big to be uploaded, and before close the thread you can ask any question, i know how to point track thx and how i said the track is too big and from tacview how is better than a video? what i can do for upload the track if is too big? anyway the mk-82 go away not for amile but almost if you see the video, i know how to drop a bomb same procedure from 3 moth ago, and works really fine 1 miss maybe on 10 ccrp bombs, and now after patch never get a hit...you need to be more precise on what i need to do for fix that im not a soldier and im not in the air force. thx!

Edited June 4, 2024 by ReveWolf

[ReveWolf]

@Lord Vader the track is too big to be uploaded, and before close the thread you can ask any question, i know how to point track thx and how i said the track is too big and from tacview how is better than a video? what i can do for upload the track if is too big? how i said in the other thread i try with mission editor and spawn in air works fine except for ccrp, and in the first video when you said is acceptable stay 5m away the target, before the patch that doesn't happen when i drop a jdam the bomb go to the target always, and 5m away for 3 times? you don't see the hole of the bomb around the target? now after patch same procedure never hit the target...you need to be more precise on what i need to do for fix that im not a soldier and im not in the air force. thx!

Edited June 4, 2024 by ReveWolf

[ReveWolf]

im continuing to search but no one explain properly what happen and what to do with the setting how to manage it with different fuze for a precise hit, or other things like MMS? INS drift? these thing never happen to me before last patch, after that ED ruins f-16 experience, just because there is no precise explanation. if you can direct me to some video or tell me what to search and i looking by myself or one thread where someone explain properly what to do if you don't wanna explain.

Edited June 4, 2024 by ReveWolf

[ReveWolf]

im continuing to search but no one explain properly what happen and what to do with the setting how to manage it with different fuze for a precise hit, or other things like MMS? INS drift? these thing never happen to me before last patch, after that ED ruins f-16 experience, just because there is no precise explanation. if you can direct me to some video or tell me what to search and i looking by myself or one thread where someone explain properly what to do if you don't wanna explain.

Edited June 4, 2024 by ReveWolf

[Lord Vader]

Hey @ReveWolf

The DCS: F-16C Viper is a complex aircraft, composed of several different systems and weapons that we thrive to improve and refine over time. The aircraft is also in an Early Access stage, meaning we're still developing it, leading to some potential changes in procedures and logics over time, this is something you assume will happened once you are dealing with ongoing projects.

Currently, the manual for this module is also undergoing extensive revisions by our team to make sure it reflects the actual, most recent and true-to-life procedures, as far as simulation goes, of course.

So the best way to keep up with this module is to follow our changelog that includes all updates and changes to these logics, most recent videos from Matt Wagner and even our forum posts of the Mini-Updates in the general area and other reports that have been addressed earlier, like it was suggested to you.

The discussions you started were all about known issues and we replied to the items as applicable. If you wish to review these previous items reported in the forum, they may demand a bit of searching but they are open to consultation.

Thank you for your dedication and we hope you get your matters resolved.

[ReveWolf]

@Lord Vader Thanks for the reply, i follow the development of F-16 from 3 months ago, the real problem is the video of the update from ED is not to clear, same for the fuze video you can see the different type of fuze but no a demonstration on what you can do with different type or no talking on how impact in the game or also how to set it in game and what happen if you don't set properly. Also if i need to search on thousand threads for some info i never finish search, cause in all the threads i read pleople just talking like "the problem is this or that" but no one explain what is this or that or how to fix it, and then start another search on what they said and so other thousand threads to read, anyway im gonna try after the patch if the problem persist or not. Sorry for being a dick but you know after 4 day without hitting any target and no a resonable solution is a bit annoying and frustrating. Thx again i wait for the new manual to read, maybe i can understand better what you and other means.

Edited June 6, 2024 by ReveWolf

[silverdevil]

@ReveWolf - this post is probably being missed as a bug because it is in the wrong forum. can you upload a shorter track? or maybe a video of the results. there are other users that have similar problems. if i was to bet, the INS procedure is not complete or otherwise inaccurate.

[ReveWolf]

@silverdevil yes sure i go now on the server where i play and have this issue, im not playing from yesterday so maybe they fix it with the patch? anyway im gonna try...with track you mean tacview track? cause i found only this track...i think my INS procedure is ok cause i use the same from 3 month and works perfectly till the last patch, i don't know if the last patch change something but i use STR HDG and wait for the allignment process when the number reach 1.5/10 and allign on the HUD start blinking i move the knob to NAV and turn on MIDS LVT. But how i said maybe i miss something from the last patch.

Edited June 6, 2024 by ReveWolf

[Furiz]

Please try to make a short track on caucasus map showing the issue and post it here, maybe we can help with advice. 

Just a simple mission.

[ReveWolf]

Here is the track from the server where i play, i try to reproduce the issue on the mission editor but work fine except dumb bomb in CCRP, maybe because i start already in air with all the right settings, the track is from syria map cause the server was hosted on that map,  and because i read now your reply, i try to reproduce how you said if is not ok, but yeah still same problem JDAM's missing the target always. Have the same issue with dumb bomb in CCIP or CCRP.

Tacview-20240606-150242-DCS-Client-Grayflag Syria COIN A.zip.acmi

[ReveWolf]

@silverdevil Here is the track from the server where i play, i try to reproduce the issue on the mission editor but work fine except dumb bomb in CCRP, maybe because i start already in air with all the right settings, the track is from syria map cause the server was hosted on that map, but yeah still same problem JDAM's missing the target always. Have the same issue with dumb bomb in CCIP or CCRP.

[BIGNEWY]

Hi ReveWolf, in this case a tacview is not helpful, we need to see a track replay from DCS and to check the correct alignment has been carried out. 

thank you

[ReveWolf]

@BIGNEWY Hello, so i need to do a single player mission and save the track at the end of it? or i don't know if i can make a mission with mission editor and try if i have the same issue, cause the issue start in a multiplayer server and in multiplayer/track folder i have only tacview track.

[Furiz]

1 hour ago, ReveWolf said:

@BIGNEWY Hello, so i need to do a single player mission and save the track at the end of it? or i don't know if i can make a mission with mission editor and try if i have the same issue, cause the issue start in a multiplayer server and in multiplayer/track folder i have only tacview track.

Yes, make a single player mission, you can start cold, set the plane up and get it in the air and bomb your target. Best way we can see whats wrong.

[ReveWolf]

@Furiz Ok i will post later, can you tell me pls in which folder i can find the saved track? how i said im pretty new and first time i have an issue like this, thx.

[Furiz]

@ReveWolf When you click Save Track there will be pop up window allowing you to name the track and choose where to save.

[ReveWolf]

@Furiz Here is the track, i know im not really precise on the line, but also happen that with JDAMs and anyway that happen even when im precise on the line. Now the error is small in the multiplayer server where i play the error was bigger, not a mile away but almost. This file is from mission editor mission.

MK-82 CCRP.trk

Edited June 7, 2024 by ReveWolf

[Furiz]

Yeah it seems to be dropping short, I even took control of your track and used laser on TGP for better accuracy, it was still short + I was precisely on the fall line.

But this comes to use case of CCRP, I think this mode is much better with guided munitions. For unguided munitions there is CCIP + you can use TGP laser for that as well, you can activate it with gun trigger First Detent and it will fire for 30 seconds while in CCIP, giving your aircraft ranging info for better accuracy.

 

[ReveWolf]

@Furiz ok so you think if i use laser i can hit the target? cause i have same issue with JDAMs and i think also GBU, and before the patch i can hit not always but 85% of the time with dumb bombs in CCRP, i can make other track with JDAMs and GBU and also dumb bombs in CCIP if you need it. But i really want fix that cause is 5 days i can't hit anything with any type of bombs, i try from the day after the patch to hit something everyday and nothing tons of bombs no one hit a single target.

Edited June 7, 2024 by ReveWolf

[silverdevil]

23 hours ago, ReveWolf said:

yes sure i go now on the server where i play and have this issue, im not playing from yesterday so maybe they fix it with the patch? anyway im gonna try...with track you mean tacview track? cause i found only this track...i think my INS procedure is ok cause i use the same from 3 month and works perfectly till the last patch, i don't know if the last patch change something but i use STR HDG and wait for the allignment process when the number reach 1.5/10 and allign on the HUD start blinking i move the knob to NAV and turn on MIDS LVT. But how i said maybe i miss something from the last patch.

ED has been working (i think) on INS improvements so you may be experiencing this. since you are on MP, there may be some irregularities. have you tried some other SP missions to see your results? have a look and download this set of missions. @=617= Evil did an excellent job making these missions for training. pretty much all the weapons are included. most are air start or hot start so the INS is already calibrated.

22 hours ago, ReveWolf said:

Here is the track from the server where i play, i try to reproduce the issue on the mission editor but work fine except dumb bomb in CCRP, maybe because i start already in air with all the right settings, the track is from syria map cause the server was hosted on that map, but yeah still same problem JDAM's missing the target always. Have the same issue with dumb bomb in CCIP or CCRP.

JDAMs should not miss but other users have reported the same problem. the ordnance logic of DCS F-16 is still WIP and unfortunately seems to change for patch to patch. i just try to work my way around it. it reminds me of kentucky windage. 

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"Kentucky windage" refers to the practice of holding the aim to the upwind side of the target (also known as deflection shooting or "leading" the wind) to compensate for wind drift, without actually changing the existing adjustment settings on the gunsight.

so i use this idea with F-16. its something is off, i compensate. i used to be a tank gunner in the army. i sort of used kentucky windage with gunnery. all the tech in the world, there are inaccuracies. its a glorious wonder that any of this works at all.

i have endless patience with DCS devs. they have an almost impossible job with making these sims and i applaud them. i also realize they (no one) is perfect.

BTW no track was attached.

[Furiz]

@ReveWolf Using laser with JDAM in CCRP will increase its accuracy cause your aircraft is getting better ranging information, use it for 3 sec prior to release.

And I tested CCIP before with dumb bombs with laser and it is more accurate, ofc releasing dumb bombs requires precision flying, be it in CCRP or CCIP, DTOS etc.

[ReveWolf]

@Furiz Ok thx i will try with the  laser on, can you explain why before the patch i will never use laser with JDAM or dumb bombs and costantly hit especially with jdam never use laser and always hit the target, and now is imprecise and also using laser don't guarantee hit? im trying to understand.

[ReveWolf]

@silverdevil Hello and thx for the reply, yes i will try SP mission, if i cold start and do the allignment properly have the same problem with JDAM and also with dumb bombs in CCIP and CCRP, if i start in the air JDAM work properly but dumb bombs in CCRP still land short. Before the patch JDAM never miss and dumb bombs in CCRP 85% of the time hit the target now i have this issue from the day after last patch and is a bit annoying and frustrating cause the only thing i can do now with F-16 is air to air. In MP server the issue is higher cause the bomb land more far away than the SP mission, i don't know what is wrong but i hope they fix it fast cause i have only F-16 to play and i wanna play it.

[razo+r]

You really have to upload a short track at this point. We can speculate as long as we want, but without concrete evidence in form of a short track, we will never be able to pinpoint the issue. 

18 minutes ago, ReveWolf said:

@silverdevil Hello and thx for the reply, yes i will try SP mission, if i cold start and do the allignment properly have the same problem with JDAM and also with dumb bombs in CCIP and CCRP, if i start in the air JDAM work properly but dumb bombs in CCRP still land short. Before the patch JDAM never miss and dumb bombs in CCRP 85% of the time hit the target now i have this issue from the day after last patch and is a bit annoying and frustrating cause the only thing i can do now with F-16 is air to air. In MP server the issue is higher cause the bomb land more far away than the SP mission, i don't know what is wrong but i hope they fix it fast cause i have only F-16 to play and i wanna play it.

ED is constantly improving or changing systems. So the possibility that you are learning something the wrong way is real, and it had happened several times in the past. 

So until ED regards the F-16 as stable or finished, be prepared that procedures may change and that you have to re-learn the limits of a system. 

[ReveWolf]

@razo+r I upload a track on other mine thread about dumb bombs in CCRP, but ok tomorrow i will upload another one with JDAMs. 

Edited June 7, 2024 by ReveWolf