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4 minutes ago, Bigity said:

would do something like this

Well, was going public by the same company a really smart move? Were the following public statements and resignments from developing DCS modules further on of certain associated developers very smart? Plus it seems that this kind of code must have been implemented even before this going public, because since then there were no further updates to the module that could have implemented that kind of code. And I learned from those public sources that the dispute between Razbam and ED was ongoing for at least a year, so it should have started even before the module was released into early access. And if that has been caused through a DCS update after halting all patch delivery to it, it would have come up at once and not just after a certain fixed date.

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This plane was the last one razbam module I bought, if they even back.
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I love that everybody's instinct is to jump straight to intentional sabotage as the one and only possibility, rather than there being a multitude of possibilities.

 

Anyway, this is speculation and what I've read elsewhere, but speculation is that an SSL cert expired. The cert is used for encryption or binarizing files. I am repeatedly mentioning the phrase "speculation" because this is indeed speculation, though I'd say it's more plausible than half the nonsense some of you are coming out with.

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9 minutes ago, ColinM9991 said:

but speculation is that an SSL cert expired. The cert is used for encryption or binarizing files

That would mean that this specific module gets seperatly from the DCS valid user authentication online checked during gameplay if its still valid via a SSL certificate thats usually used to certify HTTPS websites? That seems a very bizarre coding strategy to me...

https://www.cloudflare.com/learning/ssl/what-is-an-ssl-certificate/

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Posted
1 minute ago, schmiefel said:

That would mean that this specific module gets seperatly from the DCS valid user authentication online checked during gameplay if its still valid via a SSL certificate thats usually used to certify HTTPS websites? That seems a very bizarre coding strategy to me...

https://www.cloudflare.com/learning/ssl/what-is-an-ssl-certificate/

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Anyway, this is speculation and what I've read elsewhere, but speculation is that an SSL cert expired. The cert is used for encryption or binarizing files. I am repeatedly mentioning the phrase "speculation" because this is indeed speculation, though I'd say it's more plausible than half the nonsense some of you are coming out with.

Sorry, that's very passive aggressive 😂

But it is speculation based on what I've read elsehwere.

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2 minutes ago, ColinM9991 said:

But it is speculation based on what I've read elsehwere.

Well, I won't deny that there is some bizarre code happening in DCS already 😂, but that seems a very strange strategy to me to certify any encryption or binarizing of the files that's done when the code gets compiled at first and then again during runtime when it has to be decrypted to work. That seems to be a not very well thought through speculation If that could be the case and I assume that such a technique would cause a lot of lag and sucks CPU cycles to do this all the time if its really handled like that.

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Posted (edited)
5 minutes ago, schmiefel said:

Well, I won't deny that there is some bizarre code happening in DCS already 😂, but that seems a very strange strategy to me to certify any encryption or binarizing of the files that's done when the code gets compiled at first and then again during runtime when it has to be decrypted to work. That seems to be a not very well thought through speculation If that could be the case and I assume that such a technique would cause a lot of lag and sucks CPU cycles to do this all the time if its really handled like that.

Could it be to avoid other devs/modders from reusing or decompiling their dlls?

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Posted (edited)
7 minutes ago, tekwoj said:

Could it be to avoid other devs/modders from reusing or decompiling their dlls?

That's why encryption is used for most of the files already. But I see no need for some kind of runtime decryption technolgy that itself gets online checked (via SSL or something else doesn't matter) if its manipulated, plus why put a timestamp on it. If it would really be that way and has a build in timestamp that could mean that Razbam itself is using timestamped external licensed code or modules to do their coding. Else if that's all their own code a timestamp would only make sense to me if they want to assure that they are needed themself on a regularly basis to update those timestamped code parts to function further on.

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It was released in June of last year so that makes sense. Can something like this be fixed or are we looking at the first of many failures like this in RZ modules? 

Posted (edited)
7 minutes ago, Checkmate said:

Can something like this be fixed or are we looking at the first of many failures like this in RZ modules? 

Both.

The 'main' problem with this whole situation wasn't that modules wouldn't be progressing, it was module degradation.

The pros and cons of such live service model.

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Regardless of ED's disputes with RB, the details of which no one knows, I believe it is the obligation of ED, who charged my credit card at the time I purchased the module, to protect my interests with respect to the modules they offered and sold to me. . As I say, I don't know the details of the dispute, but I am asking ED DIRECTLY to respond to these issues.

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Posted

I would like that ED must reply with an announcement asap about this problem!!!!!....and i hope they say the solution and the timing (not 2 weeks...as usual)

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Posted
10 minutes ago, nasone said:

I would like that ED must reply with an announcement asap about this problem!!!!!....and i hope they say the solution and the timing (not 2 weeks...as usual)

You hope for a lot of things, none of which will be to your liking !

A) They're aware of the issue, it's been hashed to death in the Razbam status thread
B) It will take as long as it takes, if they can fix, they will, if they can't, then you're going to have to wait until the dispute between RB and ED reaches a conclusion, which will be a LOT longer than 2 weeks.

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Posted (edited)
2 hours ago, schmiefel said:

That's why encryption is used for most of the files already. But I see no need for some kind of runtime decryption technolgy that itself gets online checked (via SSL or something else doesn't matter) if its manipulated, plus why put a timestamp on it. If it would really be that way and has a build in timestamp that could mean that Razbam itself is using timestamped external licensed code or modules to do their coding. Else if that's all their own code a timestamp would only make sense to me if they want to assure that they are needed themself on a regularly basis to update those timestamped code parts to function further on.

 

If it's signed with a certificate that has expiration date that's not unheard of. It wouldn't be the first time that certificates weren't updated before expiration in the history of programming. And I don't think it does anything online, if it did the fix would be more complicated than moving system clock back.

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Posted
4 hours ago, Bigity said:

You think a company trying to get the 7 figures they are owed would do something like this?

It'd be absolutely hilarious.

But, why would they lockdown just one aspect instead of the whole thing?

SSL certification is one of the many things that will tinkle in your Cornflakes in software development.

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Posted
20 hours ago, schmiefel said:

That's why encryption is used for most of the files already. But I see no need for some kind of runtime decryption technolgy that itself gets online checked (via SSL or something else doesn't matter) if its manipulated, plus why put a timestamp on it. If it would really be that way and has a build in timestamp that could mean that Razbam itself is using timestamped external licensed code or modules to do their coding. Else if that's all their own code a timestamp would only make sense to me if they want to assure that they are needed themself on a regularly basis to update those timestamped code parts to function further on.

 

No it is not and sadly you don't really know what you are talking about. The files are neither signed nor encrypted. Not even the DCS base game files are signed which is quite concerning at this day and age.

17 hours ago, tekwoj said:

If it's signed with a certificate that has expiration date that's not unheard of. It wouldn't be the first time that certificates weren't updated before expiration in the history of programming. And I don't think it does anything online, if it did the fix would be more complicated than moving system clock back.

 

None of the DLLs are signed.

Posted
9 minutes ago, Erazor said:

No it is not and sadly you don't really know what you are talking about. The files are neither signed nor encrypted. Not even the DCS base game files are signed which is quite concerning at this day and age.

Maybe you check back when you've read what I was replying to, before telling me I have no clue.

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Posted (edited)
38 minutes ago, Erazor said:

None of the DLLs are signed.

They do not have to be. 

You can encrypt/pack parts or content of DLLS using private certificates without having a file digital signature. 

Having the file digital signature means the OS can do verification that the file is from a known source, which is not required here. 

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Posted

Just noting:
if the DLL not signed was the problem, the entire DLL would be ignored and the entire systems infrastructure would be broken, no one specific system.

it's code related, not signature related.

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Posted (edited)
22 hours ago, schmiefel said:

Yes, because I don't know for sure, but something like this specific timestamp doesn't just happen by chance during programming or at least its very, very unlikely that its just a mistake. Draw your own conclusions.

A timeout on a feature does seem sketchy. I’ve never heard of something like this before nor have I ever heard of a reason to code such a thing to a module. 
Anyways, keep calm carry on and fly something else while they figure this thing out in the courts/hearings. 

 

excuse the caps but:

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Posted (edited)
56 minutes ago, Akula said:

Anyways, keep calm carry on and fly something else while they figure this thing out in the courts/hearings. 

I am quite calm - still had no intent to call for a 'refund' ... but I don't think that anything could make the actual situation worse than it is. Damage has been done to everything and rather everyone that has really a passion for this stuff and a lot of trust is gone at least for myself.

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