opinion Afghanistan user feedback

[markturner1960]

3 hours ago, T.Power said:

 

ED should ban whingers from purchasing EA.  It's the equivalent of being allergic to peanuts, eating peanuts and then blaming the manufacturer for making you sick.

 

So according to you any product in EA should be exempt from any kind of criticism ? I think it would be REALLY helpful if ED were upfront about EXACTLY what is scheduled to be improved, what wont and why ......then, people will be able to fully judge the product before they buy. As it is, we are being given smoke and mirrors and no definitive information which make quite a few of us paying clients feel like we are being had a little. Whats wrong with presenting the product warts and all, pointing out the warts and saying which ones are going to be operated on and which are going to stay? 

[LuseKofte]

Just now, Beirut said:

 

The state of the map now is certainly not any kind of standard. It will see improvements. I think we'll see much better textures coming along. 

It has promising attributes too. But man I was looking forward to some flying in the mountains. And that experience up to now suck

[markturner1960]

13 minutes ago, Beirut said:

 

The state of the map now is certainly not any kind of standard. It will see improvements. I think we'll see much better textures coming along. 

Lets hope, but if its a staged release and the rest is not finished, what is the logic of releasing the first segment with low res textures then having to change them all later? Surely you work on the first area to be released, do all the textures to the required standard and then release it? I dont get it.....piss off loads of customers and potential customers down the road who might buy the rest of the map as its released ? 

[T.Power]

14 minutes ago, markturner1960 said:

So according to you any product in EA should be exempt from any kind of criticism ? I think it would be REALLY helpful if ED were upfront about EXACTLY what is scheduled to be improved, what wont and why ......then, people will be able to fully judge the product before they buy. As it is, we are being given smoke and mirrors and no definitive information which make quite a few of us paying clients feel like we are being had a little. Whats wrong with presenting the product warts and all, pointing out the warts and saying which ones are going to be operated on and which are going to stay? 

The solution is so simple for you, don't buy EA, why do you insist on making life so miserable for yourself if you know you're going to be pissed off with whatever you're given?  Go outside, smell the flowers, we've only got a few years left before our elected idiots destroy everything anyway, this is small potatoes in the grand scheme of things, there are WAY more important things going on in the world right now to get worked up over, WAY WAY more important things.

[Beirut]

19 minutes ago, markturner1960 said:

Lets hope, but if its a staged release and the rest is not finished, what is the logic of releasing the first segment with low res textures then having to change them all later?

 

Income today as opposed to income tomorrow?

 

19 minutes ago, markturner1960 said:

Surely you work on the first area to be released, do all the textures to the required standard and then release it? I dont get it.....piss off loads of customers and potential customers down the road who might buy the rest of the map as its released ? 

 

I'm not pissed off. It's EA and I'm aware of how DCS, like the universe itself, often unfolds at a glacial pace. I'm confident it will see solid improvements.

[Nightstalker]

1 hour ago, T.Power said:

The solution is so simple for you, don't buy EA, why do you insist on making life so miserable for yourself if you know you're going to be pissed off with whatever you're given?  Go outside, smell the flowers, we've only got a few years left before our elected idiots destroy everything anyway, this is small potatoes in the grand scheme of things, there are WAY more important things going on in the world right now to get worked up over, WAY WAY more important things.

I would suggest some of us are upset because of what BIGNEWY posted in the forum under: Afghanistan Map FAQ.

”DCS: Southwest Afghanistan will receive some updates post release but FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES BE FEATURE COMPLETE.

This is the only reason I purchased this map at this period.  I feel this was not honest.  The SW map needs a lot more work.  If it’s for all intent and purposes feature complete I’m not impressed.  Neither should you be.

Touch your own grass, I’m in the pool right now!

Edited July 13, 2024 by Nightstalker

[T.Power]

9 minutes ago, Nightstalker said:

I would suggest some of us are upset because of what BIGNEWY posted in the forum under: Afghanistan Map FAQ.

”DCS: Southwest Afghanistan will receive some updates post release but FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES BE FEATURE COMPLETE.

This is the only reason I purchased this map at this period.  I feel this was not honest.  The SW map needs a lot more work.  If it’s for all intent and purposes feature complete I’m not impressed.  Neither should you be.

Touch your own grass, I’m in the pool right now!

 

I have other things to worry about, like my mum dying of kidney disease, so I'll be the judge of what upsets me thanks.  Enjoy your paddling pool.

[Nightstalker]

Sorry to hear that.

[LuseKofte]

2 hours ago, T.Power said:

I have other things to worry about, like my mum dying of kidney disease, so I'll be the judge of what upsets me thanks.  Enjoy your paddling pool.

And I have cancer. So now you know that. What is wrong with some critiques?

I really think ED should reconsider this kind of map production. That real life sometime sucks make it even more important. 
I am fully covered with maps like Syria Caucasus PG and Kola 

So I see no reason for me to be sad , but I will probably never again trust ED enough to pre buy a map anymore. This is really hurting my trust to their standards in that regard. 
That said now when I own it. I can see a lot of fun in some areas. 

[T.Power]

2 hours ago, Nightstalker said:

Sorry to hear that.

Thanks, I hope you enjoy your weekend.

[T.Power]

41 minutes ago, LuseKofte said:

And I have cancer. So now you know that. What is wrong with some critiques?

I really think ED should reconsider this kind of map production. That real life sometime sucks make it even more important. 
I am fully covered with maps like Syria Caucasus PG and Kola 

So I see no reason for me to be sad , but I will probably never again trust ED enough to pre buy a map anymore. This is really hurting my trust to their standards in that regard. 
That said now when I own it. I can see a lot of fun in some areas. 

My point is as you just so wonderfully reiterated, life is a giant dog sh*t sandwich, we are all forced to eat it regardless of how we feel about it, but we can make purchasing choices, if one has a tendency towards disappointment due to unrealistic expectations or just being sour about life, maybe steer clear of EA, at least wait until people review it, as someone who suffers from crippling anxiety, my mental health was greatly improved by not engaging in situations that antagonized it.  Life skills 101, and I'm sorry you're dealing with cancer.

Edited July 13, 2024 by T.Power

[LuseKofte]

18 minutes ago, T.Power said:

but we can make purchasing choices

Well in this case my trust on ED was much greater and it should have been. And I do not regret buying it. I payed 12, something for it when miles were used. I will have fun with it. 
but I do not like the way this is going. This globe map thing is a really bad idea if everything is going to be MSFS standards. I express my concern about the future not this particular map. I run out of sims to fly if this going south. 
I am a chopper sim addict.

[Weta43]

21 hours ago, stburr91 said:

I agree with those saying they aren't impressed by this map, that's why I'm passing on it for now, and waiting to see how it develops. 

 

I also agree with the op, that maybe the map would have been better if it was smaller, and more detailed (and a smaller file size). The map is super repetitive, flat, or mountainous. frankly making it all the more logical to have it be much smaller, we don't need this much of the same thing over, and over again. 

 

I think ED spent so much time wondering if you could, they never stopped to think if you should. 

So you say : "I'm passing on it for now"

Just curious - If you haven't bought it, how do you know you "agree with those saying they aren't impressed by this map" & that "The map is super repetitive, flat, or mountainous" 

Maybe say, otherwise it sounds like you're just making judgements based on other people's posts, which would be a poor way to make decisions.

Edited July 13, 2024 by Weta43

[T.Power]

16 minutes ago, LuseKofte said:

Well in this case my trust on ED was much greater and it should have been. And I do not regret buying it. I payed 12, something for it when miles were used. I will have fun with it. 
but I do not like the way this is going. This globe map thing is a really bad idea if everything is going to be MSFS standards. I express my concern about the future not this particular map. I run out of sims to fly if this going south. 
I am a chopper sim addict.

I'm also a rotor head and it will take a brave man with a very large stick to get me out of my Hind, but the options are as you say limited, and this is the crux of the problem, ED has zero competition, yet they don't at least in my view, treat their customers with the same level of disdain as Apple or INVIDIA, by accepting the terms of EA, we get to voice opinions and affect the QC of the final product, feedback can be constructive and yield positive results, trying to form an angry mob to burn down ED is not constructive.

[stburr91]

57 minutes ago, Weta43 said:

So you say : "I'm passing on it for now"

Just curious - If you haven't bought it, how do you know you "agree with those saying they aren't impressed by this map" & that "The map is super repetitive, flat, or mountainous" 

Maybe say, otherwise it sounds like you're just making judgements based on other people's posts, which would be a poor way to make decisions.

 

 

I never pre-order anymore, it's too easy to get burned, I now wait unit it releases, and do my research. In this case, I watched a number of videos of people flying all over the map, and based on what I saw, I wasn't impressed, and decided to pass on buying it for now.

I haven't trashed the map, I just said I'm not impressed with its current state, and will watch the development, and see how it progresses. I think I've been pretty fair about it.   

I have concerns about the quality, but a bigger concern is the file size for what you get. For me, it may just be too much of the same thing over, and over again, and the gameplay styles too few to justify dedicating that much drive space.  

Edited July 13, 2024 by stburr91

[PinkCube]

Did they reuse the buildings from Persian Gulf and Syria? This just seems LAZY.

[markturner1960]

To all the people angrily pointing out it’s EA and telling me to stop “whining” and suck it down or don’t be such a dick and buy EA products then………can I simply point you to the Big Newey  post where he says it’s released “feature complete” and with “new high definition terrain mesh” …………

So it’s not EA and it’s high def mesh is really way less better than what Razbam seem to have achieved on the SA map…….

[Gambit21]

2 hours ago, PinkCube said:

Did they reuse the buildings from Persian Gulf and Syria? This just seems LAZY.

Lazy is being in such a rush to be negative and accusatory that you don’t even bother to look at the actual comparison/difference in geometry/textures etc before making a post like this in public.

I’d be embarrassed too.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Nealius]

For the last couple of years we've been experiencing shrinkflation with digital entertainment. This is sadly the new normal.

Edited July 14, 2024 by Nealius

[PinkCube]

46 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

Lazy is being in such a rush to be negative and accusatory that you don’t even bother to look at the actual comparison/difference in geometry/textures etc before making a post like this in public.

I’d be embarrassed too.

I was commenting on the types of buildings. And, Here are a couple of Comparisons I made in Qala I Naw. 

Edited July 14, 2024 by PinkCube

[krazyj]

I think things will improve when vulkan comes into play. the filesize limitation has been mentioned several times by ie ORBX but I recall having read that this will be fixed under vulkan. I may be wrong. 

another thing is if you make it to super detailed a lot of people will complain that their sim is a slide show. a balance needs to be found. 

[Tom Kazansky]

Seems like we came that far that ED should implement warnings like:

"You are leaving the high resolution area and entering the W.I.P. part of the product."

Could reduce disappointment.

[Gunfreak]

1 minute ago, Tom Kazansky said:

Seems like we came that far that ED should implement warnings like:

"You are leaving the high resolution area and entering the W.I.P. part of the product."

Could reduce disappointment.

I haven't left the high resolution area once. That's not what people are complaining about. Just flying down Halmand river which is THE major geographical feature on the south western Afghanistan. There are terrible low resolution textures, terrible terrain geometry everywhere you look. When flying down low in a helicopter. 

There's actually just a few km2 of the map that looks good down low(the hand made parts) and those do look great. But just a few minutes of helicopter flying in any direction and you'll stumble across bad crap.

Some of it might be fixable, some of it might not. 

[Tom Kazansky]

1 hour ago, Gunfreak said:

I haven't left the high resolution area once. That's not what people are complaining about. Just flying down Halmand river which is THE major geographical feature on the south western Afghanistan. There are terrible low resolution textures, terrible terrain geometry everywhere you look. When flying down low in a helicopter. 

There's actually just a few km2 of the map that looks good down low(the hand made parts) and those do look great. But just a few minutes of helicopter flying in any direction and you'll stumble across bad crap.

Some of it might be fixable, some of it might not. 

Ok, that explains some of the reactions seen in this thread.

I hope at least the advertised area gets finished quickly.

Edited July 14, 2024 by Tom Kazansky
typo

[LuseKofte]

11 hours ago, T.Power said:

trying to form an angry mob to burn down ED is not constructive

We do agree on that part. I have no patience for drama queens and we have not paid a fortune to access it. And no matter what paid for it. It is worth it. 
But ED got to change the plan regarding some of the quality, if this is the future product. We owe them to tell them it is wrong. 
By doing that they know we don’t mean everything. But a lot of it