fixed George cannot see any targets

[corbu1]

Interesting find

[digitego]

Thanks, @DaveTC

 

I tested your solution, and it works.

and here is tweaked version

 

1st fog : 00:00 , vis max, thickness min

2nd fog : 00:01 , vis 0, thickness 0

 

with this setting, my george can find target at 00:00:18

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[zenatsu]

2 hours ago, ASW said:

How to switch PHS SEARCH to the TADS LOS SEARCH?

All Text outside of the wheel are "Long Press Commands" So to do a TADS LOS SEARCH you long-press George AI Helper DOWN (Default key: S). Same with other 3 directions.

Edited December 25, 2024 by zenatsu

[zenatsu]

8 hours ago, NineLine said:

Sorry all being Christmas, I would take a look when I can, let me know if there is fog in the mission at all.

Im am not expecting any quick resolution to this issue, I am however starting the discussion quickly as a means to get user feedback and alert the dev team.

In my experience, the instant-action mission (which the track file uses) as far as I know uses no fog at all. And the Multiplayer Server I discovered the issue was on Greyflag Sinai, which uses fog. Greyflag dynamically uses the fog to ramp down at mission start, then ramps back up during mission end (over the period of 15 hours)

Along with everyone else's amazing input, I hope this can give the team enough information to determine the cause and help adjust the tuning!

Thank you and the rest of the team for this amazing module!

[KungFu]

12 minutes ago, zenatsu said:

Im am not expecting any quick resolution to this issue, I am however starting the discussion quickly as a means to get user feedback and alert the dev team.

In my experience, the instant-action mission (which the track file uses) as far as I know uses no fog at all. And the Multiplayer Server I discovered the issue was on Greyflag Sinai, which uses fog. Greyflag dynamically uses the fog to ramp down at mission start, then ramps back up during mission end (over the period of 15 hours)

Along with everyone else's amazing input, I hope this can give the team enough information to determine the cause and help adjust the tuning!

Thank you and the rest of the team for this amazing module!

I'm beginning to agree with some that this may be a dedicated server issue along with fog or some other setting as I can get George to work fine on several MP servers, but unsure if fog is is on those.   I took the GF mission (the downloaded track file) and ran it from DCS from the ME and George could spot stuff.

I could not get it to work as MP (not dedicated) as my mouse would not work in the cockpit, very weird.

 

 

[DaveTC]

My point is indeed that I am beginning to suspect that the issue has something to do with the dedicated MP server exe and not completely due to the fog settings. Basis of my assumption when running with a mission setup as a server within DCS itself George can find targets even with fog.

Kind regards

 

[KungFu]

47 minutes ago, DaveTC said:

My point is indeed that I am beginning to suspect that the issue has something to do with the dedicated MP server exe and not completely due to the fog settings. Basis of my assumption when running with a mission setup as a server within DCS itself George can find targets even with fog.

Kind regards

 

@NineLine

Well I installed the dedicated server on my secondary PC and ran the downloaded GF track file.  I think either GF sets the fog level through scripts or at the time of joining the server the fog was off because the trk file had it off.   I was able to spot targets with George just fine.

I edited the mission and turned fog to auto.....George can not see targets even when there is no visible fog and the target is a couple hundred meters away.

So then I ran the same mission from the ME (fog on auto) and George cannot see targets

I imagine all missions with fog turned on to auto or like others have tried more advanced with differing levels will have this problem.

So not related to dedicated server + fog (auto), it's simply fog, maybe in this case it being set to auto.  I did not try a more advanced fog setting, but fog auto definitely will prevent George from seeing stuff even with no visible fog on ME launched and dedicated server missions.   

Edited December 25, 2024 by KungFu

[HC_Official]

6 hours ago, corbu1 said:

Makes sense to me. Both were adjusted to deal with the new fog with the latest patch.

It might ... just might .. throwing this idea out ... of been an idea to test this out before releasing this patch  ?

[KungFu]

2 minutes ago, HC_Official said:

It might ... just might .. throwing this idea out ... of been an idea to test this out before releasing this patch  ?

Kinda like the F16 FLCS?

[DaveTC]

2 hours ago, KungFu said:

@NineLine

Well I installed the dedicated server on my secondary PC and ran the downloaded GF track file.  I think either GF sets the fog level through scripts or at the time of joining the server the fog was off because the trk file had it off.   I was able to spot targets with George just fine.

I edited the mission and turned fog to auto.....George can not see targets even when there is no visible fog and the target is a couple hundred meters away.

So then I ran the same mission from the ME (fog on auto) and George cannot see targets

I imagine all missions with fog turned on to auto or like others have tried more advanced with differing levels will have this problem.

So not related to dedicated server + fog (auto), it's simply fog, maybe in this case it being set to auto.  I did not try a more advanced fog setting, but fog auto definitely will prevent George from seeing stuff even with no visible fog on ME launched and dedicated server missions.   

Well, I believe that 4ya run their missions with fog on manual like I did in my test (see my previous postings) and not on auto!

BTW when I was testing, I did not run the mission from the ME. I went to the missions menu from the main screen (not the launcher), selected the mission and then pressed the launch as multi player server button.

Kind regards

[Apache 64]

vor 10 Stunden schrieb Apache 64:

Additional track from me too. George sees nothing anymore. That was never a problem before the latest patch in this little test mission i use for comparisons after patches.

Even with clear vision on open sea with small distances no luck.

Gearge_sees_nothing.trk 2.38 MB · 1 Download

It is the fog causing this issue. Alltough in my little self made singleplayer mission no fog was visible, i had set fog to auto.

if i set fog to OFF, George works perfekt again. He sees all my targets again.

Edited December 25, 2024 by Apache 64

[JohnW71]

Weird, I just tested this in my training mission, George can't see anything and disabling fog did not fix it.

[NineLine]

8 hours ago, DaveTC said:

Hi,

I am experiencing the same issue in the Apache. I had this issue on all the MP servers I play on, mostly 4ya.  I have also heard on other forums that Petrovich is having simular issues, though I can't verify it myself!

Not at all convinced that it has to do with fog because I did a following test:

• I created and saved a small mission with fog on manual setting (see attached images). 
• From missions menu I launched the mission as a multiplayer server (so that I could use dynamic spawns)
• Jumped into the apache with Lima hellfires
• Lifted off and scanned for targets (see attached images) and George presented me a list of friendlies in the target list.

This also worked on my own saved mission with fog setting turned off!

I am wondering if it has to do with an issue on the stand-alone MP servers, because I am starting a MP server form within DCS itself and not running a separate DCS MP server like the most MP servers do.

Kind regards

I quickly took a peek at the track in the first post and it did not seem to be a fog issue at all, I will flag it with our team and get it looked at. 

PS looking at the posts after this one I see the interesting finds, thanks all for checking. It's flagged now with the team.

[CaptHawk]

Having no issue with George listing targets but I've ctd'd a few times when selecting one from the list. PG on a dedicated server. Crash reports sent...no fog 

 

Edited December 25, 2024 by CaptHawk

[Kh4]

Yes I can confirm that with Fog enabled in the Mission Editor George cannot see targets, even if set to Auto and there is no visible fog. 

[Honez]

I did some testing and the issue seems inconsistent for me and my three flying mates. The fog does impact George but it isn't stopping him from seeing targets. I tried with fog on/off and while he sees targets farther out without fog he saw them. The moment we got into multiplayer, he stopped working every time. This is pretty easily duplicatable. We also had him stop working in single player. We thought that it was a particular map or one of my missions. However, when we tested on the canned training missions we had the same result with George not seeing targets at all in one instance and then on another instance he sees them. 

[BIGNEWY]

Dear all,

we have the cause found and are working on a fix. 

It seems to happen for George / Petrovich if the mission fog is set to auto. 

Hopefully we can have a fix out ASAP but for now setting the fog manual or off will help. 

Thank you 

[JohnW71]

Yesterday I tested both my own training missions, Syria & Caucasus, on both of them George could see nothing. I turned fog off, resaved, reopened, flew it and still not working. Repeated this a few times to be sure. Today they are working fine (fog still off), so either the Christmas fairies have done something or DCS needed a reboot? Who knows now. Anyway, great news a fix is coming and really nice to see the recent patch and so many improvements 

[DaveTC]

59 minutes ago, BIGNEWY said:

Dear all,

we have the cause found and are working on a fix. 

It seems to happen for George / Petrovich if the mission fog is set to auto. 

Hopefully we can have a fix out ASAP but for now setting the fog manual or off will help. 

Thank you 

Sorry to disappoint you, but setting fog to manual will not help. I believe this is how the 4ya missions are setup and George / Petrovich is not giving a list of targets on their missions!

Kind regards

[admiki]

2 hours ago, DaveTC said:

Sorry to disappoint you, but setting fog to manual will not help. I believe this is how the 4ya missions are setup and George / Petrovich is not giving a list of targets on their missions!

Kind regards

I used the track provided by Apache64 to create miz file.

Fog either at OFF or MANUAL makes George see the target.

If you have flown on their server and George did not see targets, can you post a track file from that flight?

Edited December 26, 2024 by admiki

[DaveTC]

14 hours ago, admiki said:

I used the track provided by Apache64 to create miz file.

Fog either at OFF or MANUAL makes George see the target.

If you have flown on their server and George did not see targets, can you post a track file from that flight?

Sure! Here is the requested TRK file.

Kind regards

4YA_MAR_PVE2_DS_V2.89[02_MAY_FEW]-20241227-090425.trk

[rwbishUP]

Same issue, George doesn't spot tgts after last update, even up to around 50 yards away.

Edited December 28, 2024 by rwbishUP

[336_TheAngryGamer]

I just found this out. track file included in case it helps. Well, your own track file is to large for your own forum. I find that kind of funny. 

[BoomBoom]

"Auto" and "Off" did not work for me. But "Manual" did. Server side settings in the Mi-24P.

[mahuja]

On a mp server where it's stated to be on auto, I've had this problem during the day but george works perfectly as normal at night.