DCS: Cold War Germany FAQ

[MAESTR0]

4 часа назад, skywalker22 сказал:

I suppose the 200GB is a total size, including phase 3.

absolutely right.
We updated the information in the first post:
Phase 1 - 110 Gb, total size, including Phase 3 - 205Gb

[Floyd1212]

6 hours ago, EnzoF98 said:

I hate nitpicking, because the map looks awesome and I can't wait to get my hands on it, but what about the massive landmass in the center of the Netherlands, which is supposed to be a lake (IJsselmeer)?

I'd say that would be pretty important for visual navigation, especially when Soesterberg gets added in phase 3.

That is probably just a DCS map zooming LOD anomaly.  It also occurs on Sinai with parts of the Nile River Delta; when zoomed out they look green like land, then at some zoom step the land goes away and you see patches of water where they should be.

[jaguara5]

Eggebeck and Jagel is a must  in a cold war German Map, especially with a full fidelity Tornado IDS module (and F-104G) in the making.  German  Marineflieger operations in the baltic sea region of the map flown from their standard homebases should be possible. I really hope  the devs will hear our concerns. 

[broderbund67]

Quite disappointed not to see any airfield in France. I was really looking forward to it.

[maks]

Dear Maestro,

would it be possible to add the whole of Belgium and the Netherland in phase3? Some very important airports and harbours are in those parts!

Great map!

[EnzoF98]

2 hours ago, Floyd1212 said:

That is probably just a DCS map zooming LOD anomaly.  It also occurs on Sinai with parts of the Nile River Delta; when zoomed out they look green like land, then at some zoom step the land goes away and you see patches of water where they should be.

Ahh okay thanks, I didn't know about that. Let's hope that's the case then!

[Phoenix FR]

4 hours ago, MAESTR0 said:

absolutely right.
We updated the information in the first post:
Phase 1 - 110 Gb, total size, including Phase 3 - 205Gb

Thank you for the information.

[Jaku]

Dear Ugra-Media, would it be possible to expand Poland just a little bit more to the east? would it happen in phase 3 or beyond? there is so much airbases and roadbases that could be added, and the Nadarzyce Aviation training ground too, it would bring a lot of opportunities and scenarios that could have been made, Considering The Wishlist topic of the Poland expansion on the forum, this part of map has a very high interest from a lot of people, it cant be denied that the map already looks beautiful, insanley detailed and is simply revolutionary, Ugra-media already gave us an amazing and popular map which is Syria, so im pretty sure there is still a lot of things you guys can suprise us with! 

Edited April 16 by Jaku

[grim_reaper68]

5 hours ago, taz63 said:

Damage that Strasbourg, Metz, Colmar are not planned in phase 3.

We are a lot of frenchies here, it will be a great thing if we have one or two airbase to use with the Mirage F1. 

These 3 AB are historicaly Mirage F1 users...

 

Come on Ugra-Media, just one please!

 

And don't forget Phalsbourg-Bourscheid Air Base, that is in the zone 3 and as an US/French used airbase in the cold war period https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quartier_La_Horie

In fact, all airbases, as Strasbourg, Metz and Colmar were all built before and in the cold war time, and used. 

Here some links to them

Strasbourg BA124 (sorry only in french on wiki)

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base_aérienne_124_Strasbourg-Entzheim#Historique

Metz-Frescaty BA128 (in french, as the translated page is poor in information)

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base_aérienne_128_Metz-Frescaty

Colmar-Meyenheim BA132 (in french, as the translated page is poor in information)

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Base_aérienne_132_Colmar-Meyenheim

In my opinion, you would make all french pilots happy to have France represented on your great map when you release the phase 3 of this great map.

[matze140]

Please also add ETIN Kitzingen Army Airfield with its Patriot Sam Site and storage for nuclear warheads.

I want to take off in front of my house

[Chess96]

Since everyone is asking for their favorite base I might aswel join in ! (jokingly, I know it won't happen and it's outside the scope of the map anyway)

Dear Ugra, please expand the map to the south to cover airfields in Switzerland like LSMA, LSPM, LSMU, LSMD, LSME, LSFR, LSMI, LSMM, LSMF, LSPU, LSMP, LSMN, LSMH, LSMJ, LSMC to name only a few. 

These bases were home to Hunter and Tiger squadrons and I think they would add great value to the map 

 

On a more serious note, huge thank you for the work you have put in the map and all the great communication and video you shared over the last few weeks.
I am eager to try this map and see it evolve with the different phases. 

Great job Ugra !

null

[skywalker22]

7 minutes ago, Chess96 said:

Since everyone is asking for their favorite base I might aswel join in ! (jokingly, I know it won't happen and it's outside the scope of the map anyway)

Dear Ugra, please expand the map to the south to cover airfields in Switzerland like LSMA, LSPM, LSMU, LSMD, LSME, LSFR, LSMI, LSMM, LSMF, LSPU, LSMP, LSMN, LSMH, LSMJ, LSMC to name only a few. 

These bases were home to Hunter and Tiger squadrons and I think they would add great value to the map 

 

On a more serious note, huge thank you for the work you have put in the map and all the great communication and video you shared over the last few weeks.
I am eager to try this map and see it evolve with the different phases. 

Great job Ugra !

null

What I miss on this map are the mountains. I wish so much to have the Alps included oneday.

[grim_reaper68]

I thought Switzerland is a neutral country 

[Chess96]

1 hour ago, grim_reaper68 said:

I thought Switzerland is a neutral country 

Well we are, and focus was on protecting our borders in case of an open conflict, but when you look at the equipment and tactics used by the swiss military from this period, we were clearly preparing to fight a soviet invasion more than any other scenario

[tora117]

The map is already 200gbs but sure, let's just expand it a few hundred more km in every direction so everyone can have their favorite airports. Next thing you know, the Brits and Italians will be in here wanting their piece of the pie too 

Seriously though, I agree with the sentiment that expanding the map northward would allow for better Baltic/North Sea scenarios, but we have to remember that this map is centered around Fulda and is already planned to be one of, if not the largest, in DCS, especially when it comes to urban areas and the sheer volume of airfields.
Yes, it would be nice to see more French airfields, more of Poland, etc, but it would also be nice to have a map covering all of Europe. The line has to be drawn somewhere.

[bfr]

14 hours ago, ouky1991 said:

I was guessing something like 100gigs, but over 200? Thats one huge map. We really need some improvements to the updater, so it's capable just adding the new parts of the map and not re-downloading the whole thing each time new stuff is added. I cant imagine downloading over 200 gigs everytime they add 10 airfileds

Looking at my installation folder now:

Iraq - 111GB (and that has a long way left to go still)

Kola - 154GB

Falklands - 114GB

So a final tally of 200-odd and 100-odd for phase 1 given the densely populated areas doesn't seem all that surprising to me.

And I thought the installer already didn't pull down the entire map again per update? I would've expected to have noticed if that were the case with the last two in the above list.

Edited April 16 by bfr

[sith1144]

Hey guys if the cold war went hot the 31st tactical fighter wing was planned to fight in Germany. I think it'd be a shame to exclude a whole fighter wing from the map and it only takes a single airport, so yugra pls add Homestead Airforce Base on the west side of the map

(That was a bit of a good natured parody if you can't tell)

[Jaku]

28 minutes ago, tora117 said:

The map is already 200gbs but sure, let's just expand it a few hundred more km in every direction so everyone can have their favorite airports. Next thing you know, the Brits and Italians will be in here wanting their piece of the pie too 

Seriously though, I agree with the sentiment that expanding the map northward would allow for better Baltic/North Sea scenarios, but we have to remember that this map is centered around Fulda and is already planned to be one of, if not the largest, in DCS, especially when it comes to urban areas and the sheer volume of airfields.
Yes, it would be nice to see more French airfields, more of Poland, etc, but it would also be nice to have a map covering all of Europe. The line has to be drawn somewhere.

its not about asking Ugra to make "my favourite in real life airfield because i was there/have connections with it", its about increasing realism, making new opportunities for scenarios and more immersion, in Poland through the whole cold war, Soviet 4th Air Army was stationed in many airfields including Bagicz, Chojna, Kluczewo, Krzywa, Brzeg, Szprotawa, Żagań.
They used many different aircraft from Mig-17 to Mig-25s, Su-24s and Su-27s, the addition of those airbases would give abillity to create very realistic scenarios, and i hope everyones ideas on how to expand the map will be included, we should not divide ourselves and talk stuff like "mine piece of map is more important than yours" We all try to contribute and help Ugra with ideas and different sources, peace.

[OneEyeRoss]

From a V Corps point of view, we really need the Fliegerhorst Kaserne in Hanau.  It held the 3rd Armored Division Aviation units, which would be heading to the Gap, since the Fulda AAF would have been quickly over run.

[Raffi75]

On the list of airports I miss one of the largest Soviet airports in northern Poland from the Cold War period. Bagicz-Kołobrzeg, an operational airport with an area of 1,624,800 m². A fighter aviation regiment, a helicopter regiment and several other units were located on its territory.

[Davee]

In addition to the western expansion of the map, I'm hoping that the RCAF contribution to the cold war is not forgotten with three fighter wings.  #1 Wing at Marville France, #2 Fighter Wing at Grostenquin France, and 3 Fighter Wing at Zweibrucken (Deux Ponts)   and #1 Airdivision Headquarters Metz France.  Initially F86's then F104's.  I remember it well.

[pjbunnyru]

i read messages, it turns out - ugra, make map size of half of europe

[Thamiel]

9 hours ago, Jaku said:

They used many different aircraft from Mig-17 to Mig-25s, Su-24s and Su-27s, the addition of those airbases would give abillity to create very realistic scenarios, and i hope everyones ideas on how to expand the map will be included, we should not divide ourselves and talk stuff like "mine piece of map is more important than yours" We all try to contribute and help Ugra with ideas and different sources, peace.

This first rollout version of the map will be bigger than 200 GB already. Its not just about storage space or download/update time. It has to sell. As I said two years ago, as this project was pure speculation and afaik nobody here was aware that it was in the making:

To compose a map with sufficient performance about this densely populated area is a huge effort not just because it is bloody difficult to square the circle, you also have a lot of critics if you fail to satisfy their specific suggestions. That is what I observe here with everybody discussing more and more details to add completely unaware of the internal ramnifications of their ideas. As @tora117 said: The line has to be drawn somewhere. There is no map (to sell) if your hardware cant handle the one offered.

200GB will be a debut as it is. If the DCS core on your rig can do it to your liking, than by all means go ahead.

Until then, cheerio.

[Art-J]

@Thamiel Just for the record, as the post on top of this very page says, first rollout will be 110 GB, while it's the future complete version that is estimated at 205... for the time being that is (in my opinion it will probably bloat a bit beyond that).

With that being said, even though I'm a Pole and would love to see more Polish airbases, I agree one has to draw the line somehere, especially when talking about areas on the edge of the map.

[MBot]

I think it is absolutely fair for people to express their wishes with regards to a potential expansion of the map. So *if* Ugra ever is the position, both from a financial, resources and technical point of view, to expand the map, they can make an informed decision that is based on community feedback. But I think people at this point should not expect any expansions. Frankly, just a couple months ago I didn't think that a Germany map even as extensive as Phase 1 would be technically feasible.

Perhaps these discussions about map expansions might be a bit inappropriate at this time, potentially hours from the initial release. Just enjoy that this project even exists