Open-Source Data for ED

[Pavlin_33]

On 6/27/2025 at 12:42 PM, draconus said:

You say that like killing many enemies is not realistic. It is. But it also depends on the mission. Not a fault of DCS that you can simulate all kinds of battles. It's a good thing.

It's a shot in the foot.

People will rush to buy a "super laser", 'cause no one likes loosing. This will cause other side, that is getting hammered, to do the same and the sales will spike. After that it will turn into a F-35 simulator.

You can't really hide behind havig options, 'cause the people that run servers have the pressure of keeping them full - see paragraph above.

[draconus]

18 minutes ago, Pavlin_33 said:

It's a shot in the foot.

People will rush to buy a "super laser", 'cause no one likes loosing. This will cause other side, that is getting hammered, to do the same and the sales will spike. After that it will turn into a F-35 simulator.

You can't really hide behind havig options, 'cause the people that run servers have the pressure of keeping them full - see paragraph above.

DCS was never driven by what happens in MP servers.

[Devil 505]

2 hours ago, Pavlin_33 said:

People will rush to buy a "super laser", 'cause no one likes loosing. This will cause other side, that is getting hammered, to do the same and the sales will spike. After that it will turn into a F-35 simulator.

You can't really hide behind havig options, 'cause the people that run servers have the pressure of keeping them full - see paragraph above.

I started this thread to provide constructive open-source data to ED if anyone finds it for the F-35.  I would like to keep it that way please so the community can assist ED if possible.  I do not want this thread closed down.  

I will say as a free content creator, myself, Kandy, and Zipper created the "Into The Jungle" Coop mission that many have run on a dedicated server as well as the ED servers.  We have multiple modules on the mission. Some aircraft far exceed others in performance.  The key is to provide each player with a role specific platform to their choosing.  Ours is a little unique where we do not have opposing red force players but randomized AI units. I have flown on those servers as well though as the red opponent and did not feel cheated.    

If there are concerns of an unfair advantage on public servers with a superior platform, I would highly encourage you to check out all the open virtual squadrons.  There are plenty that range from casual to mid-mil sim, to straight mil sim.  This would prevent the concerns you have of unfair advantages when playing on the opposing side.  You could also find some people you trust and set up your own server to fly with them.  That is what the boys and I do.

One more thing I feel I must point out because this is not the first time I have heard it, you are absolutely correct Blue Force units hold the advantage on the battlefield in DCS.  It is the same in real life, so in actuality, DCS is crushing it.  American Military superiority dominates the red aircraft, so it should not really be a shocker that the F-35 would join that party.  If you need real life examples, look at the Air-to-Air combat engagements from Desert storm/Deseret Shield going forward and convince me we have not dominated the skies since.  

One last keynote.  We have never been under any pressure of keeping a server full.  Anyone who hosts a server through ED or dedicated is not making money off of it and has no real incentive to keeping them full.  A lot of times, its way for friends to link up and fly and most do not go through the hassle of launching a dedicated server or password protecting their ED server.

I support the F-35 development and acknowledge it for what it is and will become in DCS.  I think you will be just fine continuing to find servers where you are not getting smoked left and right if you are a red force guy.  But if that becomes the case when the Lightning II is released, then welcome to 5th gen fighter reality against aging Russian equipment lol. 

Edited Monday at 10:37 PM by Devil 505

[Pavlin_33]

23 hours ago, Devil 505 said:

American Military superiority dominates the red aircraft, so it should not really be a shocker that the F-35 would join that party.  If you need real life examples, look at the Air-to-Air combat engagements from Desert storm/Deseret Shield going forward and convince me we have not dominated the skies since.  

I would love to answer this one, but as you've said it might be going off topic, so I will politely skip doing that.

[okopanja]

On 7/22/2025 at 12:33 AM, Devil 505 said:

One last keynote.  We have never been under any pressure of keeping a server full.  Anyone who hosts a server through ED or dedicated is not making money off of it and has no real incentive to keeping them full.  A lot of times, its way for friends to link up and fly and most do not go through the hassle of launching a dedicated server or password protecting their ED server.

I believe F-35 in DCS will actually be great for MP. Looking forward to the succes of F-35 servers. It will attract lots of people not interested into realism, thus causing other servers to have more realism oriented average.

[NytHawk]

11 hours ago, okopanja said:

I believe F-35 in DCS will actually be great for MP. Looking forward to the succes of F-35 servers. It will attract lots of people not interested into realism, thus causing other servers to have more realism oriented average.

I don't see why F35s can't be implemented into modern multiplayer servers, not all of them are PVP, and Eurofighters will still stay highly competitive against luneburg lensed F35s. 
"Realism-oriented" servers in DCS just means LARPing minus all the annoying things that come with realistic engagements. 

[okopanja]

18 minutes ago, NytHawk said:

I don't see why F35s can't be implemented into modern multiplayer servers, not all of them are PVP, and Eurofighters will still stay highly competitive against luneburg lensed F35s. 
"Realism-oriented" servers in DCS just means LARPing minus all the annoying things that come with realistic engagements. 

Realistic in MP, involves matching the aircraft era as a baseline. If one side would have advantage or other some counter balance is another matter.

In this case you can match F-35 only to itself.

Alternative would be to take out the stealth properties as static config in ME. That way you could match it to EF.

 

[draconus]

On 7/23/2025 at 1:49 AM, okopanja said:

It will attract lots of people not interested into realism

False assumption

19 hours ago, okopanja said:

Realistic in MP, involves matching the aircraft era as a baseline. If one side would have advantage or other some counter balance is another matter.

19 hours ago, okopanja said:

Alternative would be to take out the stealth properties as static config in ME. That way you could match it to EF.

and this only confirms it. MP or not, you don't need any "matching", "balance" or nerfing for realistic representation of air operations with F-35.

[okopanja]

3 hours ago, draconus said:

False assumption

and this only confirms it. MP or not, you don't need any "matching", "balance" or nerfing for realistic representation of air operations with F-35.

It's not the assumption is the experience gathered witnessing various balancing moves in MP servers over several years. One does not need to realize that majority of red players will not accept to fight stealthy all seeing F-35 with no analogue on their side. Hence, the only realistic solution is F-35 vs F-35, just like we now have F-16 vs F-16. 

[draconus]

6 minutes ago, okopanja said:

One does not need to realize that majority of red players will not accept to fight stealthy all seeing F-35 with no analogue on their side.

Of course, it's not meant for those players because it'd be no fun to them. The F-35 servers will probably be PvE and hopefully with some new Su-57 AI. Although there may be some slots left for MiG-29, Su-27 or JF-17 for anyone willing to face a challenge. I'm sure many ace redfor players will take a chance to take down the F-35