DCS: MiG-29A Fulcrum pre-purchase

[BIGNEWY]

FAQ is now live 

 

[Tom Kazansky]

Thanks!

The A2A weapons list is a nice surprise.

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What missiles will the DCS: MiG-29A be able to use? 
The current planned missiles are R-73, R-60, R-27R, R-27T, R-27ER, and R-27ET. 

 

[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

2 hours ago, Tom Kazansky said:

surprise

How is that a surprise?

[Tom Kazansky]

31 minutes ago, Raven (Elysian Angel) said:

How is that a surprise?

All I read about the MiG-29"A" is that it did not have R-27T/ER/ET's. So I'm glad this isn't the case for this variant.

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Yeah exactly what I was thinking, through all the sources I've searched there was no trace of the ET/ER or other energetic missiles except for manuals from the 9.13 onwards with the new Ts100M computer & N019M radar which the unmodified Mig-29A does not have, although I'm happy the ER and ET added, would make this plane that much more competitive.

[pepin1234]

5 hours ago, BIGNEWY said:

FAQ is now live 

 

 

Can you please add in the FAQ what is the new implementation of CEC or ECM countermeasures? The current ECM Jamming in your video, blinded the MiG-29A radar. 
 

That is not only new for MiG-29A but for the whole DCS core. Or do you want to keep only the whole Russian side blinded by ECM? 
 

if you want to simulate the superiority of USAF ECM versus old Soviet fighters then at least make some changes in the DCS core for the rest of airborne radars modules because is impossible Su-34, Su-30 ECM's stay the same for USAF radars after you want to introduce this abusing implementation for jamming MiG-29A only?

[AeriaGloria]

1 hour ago, pepin1234 said:

 

Can you please add in the FAQ what is the new implementation of CEC or ECM countermeasures? The current ECM Jamming in your video, blinded the MiG-29A radar. 
 

That is not only new for MiG-29A but for the whole DCS core. Or do you want to keep only the whole Russian side blinded by ECM? 
 

if you want to simulate the superiority of USAF ECM versus old Soviet fighters then at least make some changes in the DCS core for the rest of airborne radars modules because is impossible Su-34, Su-30 ECM's stay the same for USAF radars after you want to introduce this abusing implementation for jamming MiG-29A only?

Just so you know this is image of IRST interference. Not radar. 

[pepin1234]

53 minutes ago, AeriaGloria said:

Just so you know this is image of IRST interference. Not radar. 

Hopefully what IRST is looking there is the Sun heat… I will stay sceptic on that picture.

[0minutes]

9 hours ago, pepin1234 said:

Hopefully what IRST is looking there is the Sun heat… I will stay sceptic on that picture.

Must've been the engines as in another scene where a MiG passes infront of the IRST this is shown and when it was dogfighting an f16

[Schmidtfire]

On 5/20/2025 at 10:26 PM, 0minutes said:

Yeah exactly what I was thinking, through all the sources I've searched there was no trace of the ET/ER or other energetic missiles except for manuals from the 9.13 onwards with the new Ts100M computer & N019M radar which the unmodified Mig-29A does not have, although I'm happy the ER and ET added, would make this plane that much more competitive.

If this former MiG-29 pilot is to believed, the weapons computer on the Luftwaffe MiG-29 (9.12) would accept the ER and display the expanded WEZ.
They put different simulator-plugs/data cards on the inboard missile rails to simulate both the 27R and 27ER.  
 

 

Edited May 21 by Schmidtfire

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3 hours ago, Schmidtfire said:

If this former MiG-29 pilot is to believed, the weapons computer on the Luftwaffe MiG-29 (9.12) would accept the ER and display the expanded WEZ.
They put different simulator-plugs/data cards on the inboard missile rails to simulate both the 27R and 27ER.  
 

 

That's the weapons computer which is field programmable and obviously can represent missiles which its programmed to know. Funnily enough its how they fooled the MiG-29 SUV to mistake the harm for the R27EP. But the radar (N019) wouldn't be able to guide in the R27ER since they changed the frequencies which the seeker operated & the new radar for the R27ER to improve its ability against jamming after the N019 radar got compramised by the CIA which made the radar obsolete and therefore there was no reason to produce a new serial missile for a discontinued radar which has been totally compramised. Even the ukranians reported that their own domestic production R27ER was incompatible with the N019 radar but they managed to make the N019 radar compatible by modifying the transistor to match the frequency of the R27ER seeker. Not sure if it's the same for the ET since its IR guided, but possibly may also be true for it too.

Also the DLZ (WEZ in aMeRiCaNo) and SUV (FCS in aMeRiCaNo) has no control over what pattern and type the R27ER will recognize for compatibility, it is all done by the radar which uses its sensors to gather critical info such as speed, azimuth, trajectory... of the target and only then hands it over to the SUV which uses the data to calculate a probabilistic launch parameter (DLZ). This means that that only radar compatibility, not the SUV or DLZ, determines if the R-27ER can be used, so just because it shows up, doesn't mean it can be launched.

This just makes me puzzled on how DCS thought that the R27ER could be carried on the MiG-29 9.12 unless it was a modified one with a new radar (N019M) which from what I know and found out it isn't a retrofitted MiG-29 9.12.

Edited May 21 by 0minutes

[AeriaGloria]

3 hours ago, 0minutes said:

That's the weapons computer which is field programmable and obviously can represent missiles which its programmed to know. Funnily enough its how they fooled the MiG-29 SUV to mistake the harm for the R27EP. But the radar (N019) wouldn't be able to guide in the R27ER since they changed the frequencies which the seeker operated & the new radar for the R27ER to improve its ability against jamming after the N019 radar got compramised by the CIA which made the radar obsolete and therefore there was no reason to produce a new serial missile for a discontinued radar which has been totally compramised. Even the ukranians reported that their own domestic production R27ER was incompatible with the N019 radar but they managed to make the N019 radar compatible by modifying the transistor to match the frequency of the R27ER seeker. Not sure if it's the same for the ET since its IR guided, but possibly may also be true for it too.

Also the DLZ (WEZ in aMeRiCaNo) and SUV (FCS in aMeRiCaNo) has no control over what pattern and type the R27ER will recognize for compatibility, it is all done by the radar which uses its sensors to gather critical info such as speed, azimuth, trajectory... of the target and only then hands it over to the SUV which uses the data to calculate a probabilistic launch parameter (DLZ). This means that that only radar compatibility, not the SUV or DLZ, determines if the R-27ER can be used, so just because it shows up, doesn't mean it can be launched.

This just makes me puzzled on how DCS thought that the R27ER could be carried on the MiG-29 9.12 unless it was a modified one with a new radar (N019M) which from what I know and found out it isn't a retrofitted MiG-29 9.12.

Is there a source for any of this? R-27ER uses the exact same seeker as R-27R 

[pepin1234]

2 hours ago, AeriaGloria said:

Is there a source for any of this? R-27ER uses the exact same seeker as R-27R 

If you search in Internet, you will find out the head seeker for export was made in Ukraine. It's probably the same head seeker for both variants. Russians made another company for home build their own head seekers. Probably the only way to identify which one it is S/N. Notice Russians show R-27 in Syria, and they always were hiding the S/N.

they have been made the same for the ex-Soviet hardware made in ex Soviets republics. Example the Su-25 are rebuild in Russia instead to keep production in Georgia. For the legal instance they are restored...

 

Edited May 22 by pepin1234

[Dudikoff]

4 hours ago, pepin1234 said:

they have been made the same for the ex-Soviet hardware made in ex Soviets republics. Example the Su-25 are rebuild in Russia instead to keep production in Georgia. For the legal instance they are restored...

Ulan Ude factory in Russian SFSR was producing the UB variant from the start, so it wasn't really a big issue for them.

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8 hours ago, AeriaGloria said:

Is there a source for any of this? R-27ER uses the exact same seeker as R-27R 

"N019M Topaz is an updated version, developed as a response to the compromise of the N-019 radar by a US spy. Tested from 1986, it entered limited production in 1991. Slightly lighter than the N-019 at 350kg. Topaz has increased ECM resistance, new software, and a more advanced built-in monitoring system." - N019 Radar | MiG Alley Military Aviation News

They use the same seeker, but to make the seeker compatible with the new Radar (N019M) they had to tweak its frequency to make sure the radar was able to illuminate the target. Also as I said before, why would they adapt the missile for an obsolete radar? Which had its bands & frequencies compramised which tactically made it useless due to all the ECM.

also;
As for the Ukrainian statements, I cannot find anymore but it was a study by Korolov Zhytomyr Military Institute which seems to have been deleted or so hidden away by new information. 

If you're still not convinced, here is a task for you; find a picture of an unmodified MiG-29 carrying/firing the ER or a source which explicitly shows that the MiG-29's N019 radar was capable of firing the R27ER which I assure you, you won't simply because it was never a thing.

[Dudikoff]

23 minutes ago, 0minutes said:

"N019M Topaz is an updated version, developed as a response to the compromise of the N-019 radar by a US spy. Tested from 1986, it entered limited production in 1991. Slightly lighter than the N-019 at 350kg. Topaz has increased ECM resistance, new software, and a more advanced built-in monitoring system." - N019 Radar | MiG Alley Military Aviation News

They use the same seeker, but to make the seeker compatible with the new Radar (N019M) they had to tweak its frequency to make sure the radar was able to illuminate the target. Also as I said before, why would they adapt the missile for an obsolete radar? Which had its bands & frequencies compramised which tactically made it useless due to all the ECM.

also;
As for the Ukrainian statements, I cannot find anymore but it was a study by Korolov Zhytomyr Military Institute which seems to have been deleted or so hidden away by new information. 

If you're still not convinced, here is a task for you; find a picture of an unmodified MiG-29 carrying/firing the ER or a source which explicitly shows that the MiG-29's N019 radar was capable of firing the R27ER which I assure you, you won't simply because it was never a thing.

The R-27 is a modular missile, so you could just use the R-27R seeker on the R-27ER body (if the illuminating channels couldn't be modified differently). I don't see this as a reason for not having the R-27ER on the 9.12A (depending on the scenario timeframe, naturally).

Edited May 22 by Dudikoff

[0minutes]

10 minutes ago, Dudikoff said:

The R-27 is a modular missile, so you could just use the R-27R seeker on the R-27ER body (if the illuminating channels couldn't be modified differently). I don't see this as a reason for not having the R-27ER on the 9.12A (depending on the scenario timeframe, naturally).

Because it was never adapted for the N019 Radar, as I stated before, the R27ER entered service well after the N019 Radar was discontinued so there was no need to adapt it for the old radar, please read.

I guess the russians should've though about adapting the 27ER for the N019 just incase in 35 years if a full fidelity MiG-29 9.12 is developed in full fidelity, it would be able to carry the 27ER

Edited May 22 by 0minutes

[Dudikoff]

16 minutes ago, 0minutes said:

Because it was never adapted for the N019 Radar, as I stated before, the R27ER entered service well after the N019 Radar was discontinued so there was no need to adapt it for the old radar, please read.

I guess the russians should've though about adapting the 27ER for the N019 just incase in 35 years if a full fidelity MiG-29 9.12 is developed in full fidelity, it would be able to carry the 27ER

What's to adapt? There's only the difference of some receiver component in the seeker head.

We have an export variant here and a plausible scenario here is that they used the older spec seeker for export to owners with unmodified N019 radars.

Edited May 22 by Dudikoff

[draconus]

ED never confirmed which radar they'll simulate

[0minutes]

9 minutes ago, Dudikoff said:

What's to adapt? There's only the difference of some receiver component in the seeker head.

We have an export variant here and a plausible scenario here is that they used the older spec seeker for export to owners with unmodified N19 radars.

Exactly, maybe receiver in the head makes all the difference huh? Also please read what I wrote. 

6 minutes ago, draconus said:

ED never confirmed which radar they'll simulate

That's a good point, although I think it's the N019, since if ED was gonna go through all the troube of simulating the N019M they might have aswell have made the 9.13

Edited May 22 by 0minutes

[draconus]

8 minutes ago, 0minutes said:

That's a good point, although I think it's the N019, since if ED was gonna go through all the troube of simulating the N019M they might have aswell have made the 9.13

What about RLPK-29E?

[0minutes]

8 minutes ago, draconus said:

What about RLPK-29E?

The export radar was downgraded, and also it could not carry the ER anyway too. However not all hope is lost, there are multiple mini modernazations of the 9.12A such as the AS supplied to the Serbians which included a new radar, since it wouldn't make sense to just scrap al 500+ MiGs just because a radar was made obsolete.

however -> "N-019EA is the version supplied to Warsaw Pact countries. Lacks “SP” mode. N019EB is an export variant for general export. More downgraded. Less capable TS100.02.06 digital processor. Lacks “SP” mode."

Edited May 22 by 0minutes

[Dudikoff]

2 hours ago, 0minutes said:

Exactly, maybe receiver in the head makes all the difference huh? Also please read what I wrote. 

That's a good point, although I think it's the N019, since if ED was gonna go through all the troube of simulating the N019M they might have aswell have made the 9.13

So you have two receiver standards, one for the original set of channel/frequencies, one for the modified. Is there a compatibility problem in combining an ER body with the original R-27R receiver if the missile is as modular as advertised?

In any case, I can understand if the Russians wanted to sell the new missile only as a package with the radar upgrades, but there's nothing stopping e.g. Artem from Ukraine to offer R-27ERs compatible with the original radar sets.

[0minutes]

3 minutes ago, Dudikoff said:

So you have two receiver standards, one for the original set of channel/frequencies, one for the modified. Is there a compatibility problem in combining an ER body with the original R-27R receiver if the missile is as modular as advertised?

In any case, I can understand if the Russians wanted to sell the new missile only as a package with the radar upgrades, but there's nothing stopping e.g. Artem from Ukraine to offer R-27ERs compatible with the original radar sets.

That line of thinking leads us down a speculative path. Just because something is technically possible with enough modification doesn't mean it's ever been done. By that logic, almost any missile could be retrofitted or tweaked to work with almost any system, which kind of defeats the purpose of realism when modeling something like the MiG-29. As for Artem, they don't produce legacy R27 seekers as all ukranian MiGs underwent modernizations with new radars such as MU1 & MU2 which tweaked the old radar N019 to support the R27ERs as well as already having a limited amount of MiG-29 9.13s 

[Dudikoff]

1 hour ago, 0minutes said:

By that logic, almost any missile could be retrofitted or tweaked to work with almost any system, which kind of defeats the purpose of realism when modeling something like the MiG-29. As for Artem, they don't produce legacy R27 seekers as all ukranian MiGs underwent modernizations with new radars such as MU1 & MU2 which tweaked the old radar N019 to support the R27ERs as well as already having a limited amount of MiG-29 9.13s 

I only mentioned it because R-27 was always advertised as a modular missile where you could easily swap between IR and SARH seekers on the same missile body so I suppose the same would probably work between older and newer SARH seeker heads. 

I mentioned Artem as they used to advertise exporting R-27 missiles. Not sure where Poland, Czech Republic and Slovakia are getting their R-27 stocks from, but I would expect it's Ukraine rather than Russia.