Sound issues

[-Rudel-]

6 hours ago, Mistermann said:

.., If this is/was a cash saving decision, I'd suggest there are enough of us that would invest in making the Corsair sound as authentic as possible and encourage you to explore funding options that push the sound environment to the best quality possible within DCS...

Sure, you pay the royalty % they requested.

Edit in: we already have raw professional recording of the aircraft, and in use.  We just need to work on some volume and gains.   

Edited June 25 by -Rudel-

[Devil 505]

4 minutes ago, -Rudel- said:

Sure, you pay the royalty % they requested.

Rudel, absolutely have the upmost respect for Magnitude and hands down the Corsair is my favorite Warbird in DCS, but was the above comment in regards to Echo 19?  I just want to level set expectations if they are off the table for improving the Corsair sounds, is Magnitude looking at other options.  Royalty fees and relationships between businesses partners is none of my business, I am just interested if Magnitude is planning on updating the sounds to better reflect the real aircraft.  That is all I care about.

[Mistermann]

6 minutes ago, -Rudel- said:

Sure, you pay the royalty % they requested.

Edit in: we already have raw professional recording of the aircraft, and in use.  We just need to work on some volume and gains.   

Gotta balance financial with community "wants".  Appreciate the response.

[Nascar]

21 hours ago, Devil 505 said:

I would love for you to explain how changing my speakers, setting, or headphones will make the Magnitude Corsair module sound like this.

 

To make your point, show us the in-game version of this.

[Devil 505]

1 hour ago, Nascar said:

To make your point, show us the in-game version of this.

So you are telling me if I go buy some headphones with Haptics, all the sudden this module is going to sound like the video I posted? 
 

I want you to slow down one minute and actually think about what you are saying. In order for a DCS module to sound real, I may need to buy speakers or a different headset to get the realistic sound out of the module. 
 

I don’t know what kind of magical speakers or headset you have purchased to make this plane sound more authentic, but I would appreciate you dropping the link in this forum so I could go test it and prepare to come back and laugh in your face.

[Sirchuzzalot]

I want to agree with the overall majority here that the sounds are so flat and dull that it breaks the immersion.

[freehand]

34 minutes ago, Devil 505 said:

So you are telling me if I go buy some headphones with Haptics, all the sudden this module is going to sound like the video I posted? 
 

I want you to slow down one minute and actually think about what you are saying. In order for a DCS module to sound real, I may need to buy speakers or a different headset to get the realistic sound out of the module. 
 

I don’t know what kind of magical speakers or headset you have purchased to make this plane sound more authentic, but I would appreciate you dropping the link in this forum so I could go test it and prepare to come back and laugh in your face.

Here you go.

[lee1hy]

its super EA, sound will update and fix 
with FM 

[Devil 505]

4 hours ago, freehand said:

Here you go.

LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You know what's sad, I use to run with those plugged into a portable/handheld Sony CD player past this chicks house I was crushin on after high school.  Always do a Zoolander jog past her house before I left for the military.  It did not help my chances, Old Heather.  It also made Corsairs sound generic. 

Edited June 26 by Devil 505

[I_Gamer]

On 6/24/2025 at 8:33 PM, -Rudel- said:

Sure, you pay the royalty % they requested.

Edit in: we already have raw professional recording of the aircraft, and in use.  We just need to work on some volume and gains.   

It has been so long since our last conversation that I cannot recall whether we reached that point in our discussions. Nevertheless, please feel free to reach out if you reconsider.

Furthermore, with all due respect, there is a considerable distinction between possessing access to raw recordings and being able to edit them in a manner that creates an immersive experience for the player. I've heard the excuse of having "raw professional recordings" before by many sound engineers for MSFS/DCS, and it takes more than just good microphones to reconstruct an aircraft's soundscape.

A very recent and good example is our sound pack for the MSFS "Mustang". The default audio was recorded professionally; however, it lacked substantial depth and "impact". Losing detail and grit. In fact, they probably used similar recordings from the same aircraft. 
 

There is definitely a lot more to good sound engineering than just getting the volume right.  

[Mistermann]

This guy knows what he's talking about!

Very well stated, Tyler.  First step in acknowledging there's a problem is to admit there's a problem.  Seeing the response regarding "professional recordings" indicates to me Mag3 doesn't think they have a problem.  Suggesting volume and gain tweaks somehow solve the myriad sound issues rang pretty hollow with me as I suspect it did with a lot of other discerning customers. 

Maybe, someday we'll get a realistic sounding, immersive Corsair.  At least we now have one in DCS!  As disappointing as it sounds in its current form.

Thanks for adding your expertise to this thread!

Edited June 26 by Mistermann

[dsc106]

On 6/24/2025 at 5:33 PM, -Rudel- said:

Sure, you pay the royalty % they requested.

If I pay the royalty rate and/or flat fee they request, do I also reap the benefits of a percent of the increased sales due to better community reviews?

Look, I know those things are hard to track - what exactly accounts for what? But suggesting that someone is being unreasonable or entitled because the dev is the one to pay for it isn't reasonable, since the dev is also the one to profit from it.

These modules are long term plays and after the initial wave of "buy it no matter what" crowd passes, the community feeling on a module is what sustains sales and word of mouth in the long run. Sounds are a massive part of the immersion factor in modules.

Volume and gain adjustments won't be enough from what I've heard. Maybe it's not Echo19, but then, why not? It's his specialty. Hopefully you guys could reach a good deal. But whatever is done, it needs a truly professional touch that understands compressors and limiters, EQing, and so forth in a way that is going to bring this otherwise beautiful module to life.

 

 

[freehand]

Be grateful for what you have.

[-Rudel-]

5 hours ago, I_Gamer said:

there is a considerable distinction between possessing access to raw recordings and being able to edit them in a manner that creates an immersive experience for the player. I've heard the excuse of having "raw professional recordings" before by many sound engineers for MSFS/DCS, and it takes more than just good microphones to reconstruct an aircraft's soundscape.

Im well aware of that. 

[Vakarian]

Well, I'm in a camp do whatever you feel that's required, but don't go E19 route. Not at all impressed with what they did on Kiowa. It's all good when you're flying solo, but as soon as there are other things around you hear that even the frigging Humwee sounds louder than KW at full throttle. 

So keep at it M3, take your time and polish the sounds. 

[I_Gamer]

5 hours ago, Vakarian said:

Well, I'm in a camp do whatever you feel that's required, but don't go E19 route. Not at all impressed with what they did on Kiowa. It's all good when you're flying solo, but as soon as there are other things around you hear that even the frigging Humwee sounds louder than KW at full throttle. 

So keep at it M3, take your time and polish the sounds. 

I’m pretty sure you’re one of the only people who doesn’t like the new version. If there’s an issue I’m sure you’ve reported it to Polychop, right?

I am not here to advocate or sell my services, we don’t actively engage or work with a lot of DCS developers for a lot of personal and business reasons. Unless they ask.
 

M3 can do what they want, but I won’t let someone bash or insult our work that is highly respected in the community.

[Vakarian]

2 minutes ago, I_Gamer said:

I’m pretty sure you’re one of the only people who doesn’t like the new version. If there’s an issue I’m sure you’ve reported it to Polychop, right?

Reported, and IIRC you specifically ignored the issue after asking for details.

3 minutes ago, I_Gamer said:

M3 can do what they want, but I won’t let someone bash or insult our work that is highly respected in the community.

I'm not bashing the sounds or the work. If you read the post more carefully, you would have noticed that the crux of the issue is that they are all muted compared to the environment, other aircraft, helos.... 

What good are the most perfectly tuned and engineered sounds when I can hear a Chinook, Apache, Huey on the other side of the airfield louder than my own frigging engine that's ~2 meters behind me with an open door KW.

Now, after ignoring that issue I might be a bit salty, I will admit that.

[I_Gamer]

6 minutes ago, Vakarian said:

Reported, and IIRC you specifically ignored the issue after asking for details.

I'm not bashing the sounds or the work. If you read the post more carefully, you would have noticed that the crux of the issue is that they are all muted compared to the environment, other aircraft, helos.... 

What good are the most perfectly tuned and engineered sounds when I can hear a Chinook, Apache, Huey on the other side of the airfield louder than my own frigging engine that's ~2 meters behind me with an open door KW.

Now, after ignoring that issue I might be a bit salty, I will admit that.

Can you reach out to me via Discord or DM? I don't want to prolong this conversation and get off-topic.

That said, if I ignored this, I apologize. Things got crazy when the whole Polychop issue occurred, and they haven't improved since. I haven't encountered the problem, but as I mentioned, if you reach out via DM or Discord, we can discuss it. 

[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

7 minutes ago, Vakarian said:

I'm not bashing the sounds or the work. If you read the post more carefully, you would have noticed that the crux of the issue is that they are all muted compared to the environment, other aircraft, helos.... 

What good are the most perfectly tuned and engineered sounds when I can hear a Chinook, Apache, Huey on the other side of the airfield louder than my own frigging engine that's ~2 meters behind me with an open door KW.

I actually 100% agree with that. The sound quality by itself is splendid. My issue is with sound levels compared to everything else around you. That was the case at initial release (prior to the E19 work) but is still the case today, IMO.
That's also a general issue with DCS tbh: the sound levels of say Heatblur modules (or the F-15E prior to the adjustments they made) are quite a bit different from other modules, and the Kiowa is on the opposite end of that squale. Again, not quality wise but definitely volume/level wise  

[MAXsenna]

What's your guys "world sound" slider set to?

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[dsc106]

While I've been happy with Echo19s work, I am not here to back any vendor. However it gets done, I just want to see it be at a quality level of Echo19 or Heatblur or ED first party. I get a little concerned when I hear just needs some "volumes and gains" because it needs a whole lot more than that. But there are no shortage of great sound engineers out there (though perhaps less specializing in accurate aircraft soundscapes for sims), so whatever the solution is, hopefully we can get something that sounds great, is true to the aircraft, and does this module (which I am really loving) true justice.

 

[Mistermann]

7 hours ago, MAXsenna said:

What's your guys "world sound" slider set to?

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