Nike Hercules SAM

[YoYo]

Since we have more and more Cold War content, it would be great to get the Nike Hercules system as well. I see someone started to do a mod but of course it's better to have an official add-on.

 

[twistking]

+1

[MAXsenna]

Yes, please! Bring it on!

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[YoYo]

Especially due to the fact that the MiG-29A FF can detect it in its SPO-15. 

[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

Nukes in DCS are a big NO-NO for ED: they have said that ad infinitum already.
I'd personally prefer not to have them either.

Edited yesterday at 03:41 PM by Raven (Elysian Angel)
typo

[twistking]

6 hours ago, Raven (Elysian Angel) said:

Nukes in DCS are a big NO-NO for ED: they have said that ad infinitum already.
I'd personally prefer not to have them either.

Would be totally acceptable if we only got conventionally armed missiles. 

[MAXsenna]

Would be totally acceptable if we only got conventionally armed missiles. 

Absolutely! Didn't even know they came with nukes. Our ones would never have been allowed to be deployed with any.

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[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

1 hour ago, MAXsenna said:

Didn't even know they came with nukes

Yes, that was the default configuration. They could potentially be configured with a conventional warhead for export, apparently.

[YoYo]

16 hours ago, Raven (Elysian Angel) said:

Nukes in DCS are a big NO-NO for ED: they have said that ad infinitum already.
I'd personally prefer not to have them either.

But who's talking about a nuclear warhead here? We're familiar with the ED approach. A conventional shaped-charge warhead (500kg) is all that's needed.

Edited 11 hours ago by YoYo

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8 hours ago, MAXsenna said:

Absolutely! Didn't even know they came with nukes. Our ones would never have been allowed to be deployed with any.

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6 hours ago, Raven (Elysian Angel) said:

Yes, that was the default configuration. They could potentially be configured with a conventional warhead for export, apparently.

To my knowledge the default setup in Germany was that sites were loaded with conventional fragmentation warheads, but each site had a US contingent on station that would guard and eventually deploy the nuclear warheads if needed. If swarms of soviet bombers would have been detected they would have been targeted with said warheads.
Outside of that specific scenario the sites were just part of "conventional" air defense.

[Dragon1-1]

6 hours ago, YoYo said:

A conventional shaped-charge warhead (500kg) is all that's needed.

It wasn't shaped charge, it was blast-frag (T-45). Nike J (Japanese version) was actually incompatible with the nukes.

[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

7 hours ago, YoYo said:

But who's talking about a nuclear warhead here?

The Soviets are, as it’s the reason SPO-15 was specifically configured to detect it in the first place

[Schmidtfire]

While I think ED should reconsider and adding proper nukes into the sim... non-nuclear versions of the Nike Hercules would still be nice to have. However, I don't think ED will put money and resources into a historical SAM system that is Cold War specific. Perhaps if it's included in some sort of asset pack. 

 

Edited 3 hours ago by Schmidtfire

[Raven (Elysian Angel)]

I for one am glad they’re not in the sim: nuclear weapons are pure evil, and far more destructive than conventional knowledge would let you believe: nuclear explosions rip holes in the very fabric of reality… it’s utter madness… I wouldn’t want to see them represented in any video game.

I’m very happy we as a society learned enough to move past the dangers they represent

Anyway, that’s far beyond the scope of this thread.

ED seems to leave to door ajar on this system anyway, as per Wags’ latest video: he said several times Nike Hercules “is not in DCS currently”…

[Ornithopter]

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I’m very happy we as a society learned enough to move past the dangers they represent

Have we? Well, the Nike Hercules is only about 2 measly kilotons, so what's the big deal? Just kidding of course, but isn't there already a gadget about that size included with the MiG-21 module?  Never used it.   And from the way I see it, If Ghengis Khan, King of the Mongols can use an ICBM against a horde of annoying Longbowmen in the game Civilization, then what's the problem in DCS?  We have a Cold War era map of Germany, which is the very definition of WW III had it happened.  And those missiles, if ever included in the game, were very much oriented towards destroying their targets with a humongous explosion.  

Realistically they are never going to do that in DCS because of what you say, and I'm fine with that, but I'm just putting in my 2 cents about the missile.  Instead of being vaporized in a painless instant, one could always have their body riddled with about 1000 fleschettes from a beehive round or something equally horrid.  So it's pretty bad any way you look at it.   The horror, the horror.  If they ever have the Nike Hercules, I would vote to have it as it was and let individuals and server operators be able to check a box if they want such things included in the game.

 

Edited 1 hour ago by Ornithopter

[YoYo]

3 hours ago, Dragon1-1 said:

It wasn't shaped charge, it was blast-frag (T-45). Nike J (Japanese version) was actually incompatible with the nukes.

Actually, right, HE-FRAG, what I'm interested in is the conventional ground-to-air, because there really isn't any older system for the Western side from the Cold War era.

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2 hours ago, Schmidtfire said:

[...] However, I don't think ED will put money and resources into a historical SAM system that is Cold War specific. Perhaps if it's included in some sort of asset pack. 

Some of the former operators still hold the system in storage. It's not totally improbable that a hypothetical modern conflict would see limited use of those systems.

Edited 1 hour ago by twistking

[MAXsenna]

2 hours ago, Schmidtfire said:

However, I don't think ED will put money and resources into a historical SAM system that is Cold War specific.

Hopefully they will, and flesh out the Cold War assets and modules even more. A Cold War assets pack is a really good idea.

4 hours ago, twistking said:

To my knowledge the default setup in Germany was that sites were loaded with conventional fragmentation warheads, but each site had a US contingent on station that would guard and eventually deploy the nuclear warheads if needed.

Defo only frags for us here Way up North. The fit certain political parties and activists, (with good reason), would have had if there had been nuclear warheads on Norwegian soil... Oh, Lord! 

 

1 hour ago, Raven (Elysian Angel) said:

nuclear weapons are pure evil, and far more destructive than conventional knowledge would let you believe: nuclear explosions rip holes in the very fabric of reality…

1 hour ago, Raven (Elysian Angel) said:

I wouldn’t want to see them represented in any video game.

Personally, I'm not sure. Maybe if people experienced the destruction in a simulator, granted it was simulated very detailed, one could see the destruction for one self.