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[okopanja]

Essentially: the whole quarter got built in 2-3 years without carrying how this affects the old part of the city.

Edited November 10 by okopanja

[OnReTech]

7 hours ago, Renko said:

@OnReTech
I fail to see this question answered in your FAQ, and i think it should be included.

What period is this map based on?

Hello! 
We're doing what's closest to the current state. Not a 90s reconstruction.

OnReTech

18 hours ago, Silent Film said:

I would suggest few corrections of the airport names in Serbia.

"Pukovnik" - it is called "Pukovnik-pilot Milenko Pavlovic" since 2019, but before and during the 1980s and 1990s it was called "Batajnica", so it would be more appropriate to use that name for this Balkans map.

"Belgrad" should be "Beograd".

"Morava" is the name for the civilian terminal of the airport, but the military part of the airport is called "Ladjevci". This is actually the first time I see it is also called "Morava", I know it whole my life as "Ladjevci".

Thank you. 
We will fix names

OnReTech

Edited November 9 by OnReTech

[OnReTech]

6 hours ago, okopanja said:

They did this when they turned Lađevci for civilian use. Then it got civilian name "Morava" after the river. 

Is there anyobody in this team who is a native of Yugoslavia?

Nobody

[Renko]

12 minutes ago, OnReTech said:

Hello! 
We're doing what's closest to the current state. Not a 90s reconstruction.

OnReTech

Cheers!

[Furiz]

17 minutes ago, OnReTech said:

Hello! 
We're doing what's closest to the current state. Not a 90s reconstruction.

Nice, that is great.

Any pics of Split Croatia you can sneak through?:)

[OnReTech]

14 minutes ago, Furiz said:

Nice, that is great.

Any pics of Split Croatia you can sneak through?:)

We plan to publish fresh shots every 1-2 weeks

[okopanja]

38 minutes ago, OnReTech said:

Nobody

Well you did steer the interest among local populations...

Teaser: 

 

 

[Furiz]

Yeah was planing to ask about that one, its not in use now since its blown up and mostly tourist attraction but surely an impressive piece of legacy. Lots of videos on Željava on youtube.

Same goes for islands naval hangars in Croatian waters.

Edited November 9 by Furiz

[admiki]

2 hours ago, okopanja said:

This monstrosity is an example: https://maps.app.goo.gl/gAMHDVP7RRuiKuPr6

The whole area of city got demolished (majority was main railroad station), but also historical buildings, including the depot of rare locomotives (cut into pieces). It's a landmark of corruption.

One of those projects build in illegal and non transparent way we protest against. 

Needless to say: it does not look like Belgrade anymore, it looks as if you are in United States (the picture does not show it fully).

We already put that and ćacilend on our target list. 

1 hour ago, okopanja said:

Well you did steer the interest among local populations...

Teaser: 

 

 

 

39 minutes ago, Furiz said:

Yeah was planing to ask about that one, its not in use now since its blown up and mostly tourist attraction but surely an impressive piece of legacy. Lots of videos on Željava on youtube.

Same goes for islands naval hangars in Croatian waters.

An hour drive from me. 

[okopanja]

1 hour ago, admiki said:

We already put that and ćacilend on our target list. 

[Goetsch]

Wow, that looks awesome! The mountain detail is super similar to the Afghanistan map.

I’m a big fan of maps that use satellite imagery, they just look so real.

[okopanja]

18 hours ago, OnReTech said:

Nobody

This was an interesting and authentic touch (in the background are 3 buildings known as East Gate of Belgrade) there: very common at least in ex-Yugoslavia, but also some ex-Warsaw Pact countries on Balkan. null

Not sure if this particular house exist on this location, but building an incomplete house was pretty common in 90s during economic problems. Building a house with no outside isolation and then moving in to leave there and reduce the costs was a common way of building houses you had to finance yourself directly out of own salary.

If you were short on money you would simply build a single level and cover it with slant rough or just cover it with bitumen. Then as your saved money after several years you would build another level, and then permanent rough, followed by isolation and facade. Build process often lasted 15-20 years.

In fact my own house was built by my parents in exactly same way, so I had the chance to put in my blood and sweat into it. Mentioning this since there was renewed interest from multiple parties about precise location of my house, so they can bomb it.

Anyway if you ever need to check the status of some of the locations in Serbia, in particular in Belgrade feel free to reach. I do not live there anymore, but go there regularly 2-3 times a year.

 

[skywalker22]

51 minutes ago, okopanja said:

Buildings look pretty cool and mostly authentic, but the ground textures, and a total lack of any other details except buildings 

They must have to work on that too, else will be another Sinai map, which will go into oblivion pretty soon.

[Vakarian]

Well, it's releasing in a year, not tomorrow. So give them time, I would assume getting textures done is hell of a lot easier than getting buildings modeled even remotely correct and then correct-ish types in proper places.

[admiki]

9 hours ago, Goetsch said:

Wow, that looks awesome! The mountain detail is super similar to the Afghanistan map.

I’m a big fan of maps that use satellite imagery, they just look so real.

Unless you're flying under 1000 ft AGL, which most helicopters do. Then it looks terrible.

[clafly]

Hi guys, can I ask you if you will also reproduce the Polesine Camerini's power plant in the Po river Delta? The F-16s patrolled that plant.

 

[Dragon1-1]

On 11/9/2025 at 8:43 PM, OnReTech said:

Hello! 
We're doing what's closest to the current state. Not a 90s reconstruction.

You should really consider doing a 90s reconstruction, because that's when the most interesting things happened there. If that's going to be a 2025 Balkans, I'm probably going to skip it. There's plenty of documentation for how it looked in the 90s, we really have no need for another 2025 map, especially since for most part, the only thing that got added was ugly "modern" architecture. 

[Volator]

[Goetsch]

10 hours ago, admiki said:

Unless you're flying under 1000 ft AGL, which most helicopters do. Then it looks terrible.

I just hope the effect will be similar to the Afghanistan map, using helicopters wouldn’t be bad either.

Mainly, I don’t like the purely modeled style of Syria or Germany. Although they look impressive, they lack a sense of realism.

[Lace]

Agree 1990s version would make more sense.  But perhaps reference material is lacking and for a non-native it would probably be difficult to notice any difference outside the major cities anyway.

So much of DCS is compromised and making do with what we have, rather than what is 100% strictly accurate.  Even if we had a 90s version of the map, we have the 'wrong' Viper for example.

[okopanja]

Nothing beats the Brutalst Architecture. This master piece was started in 1973 and finished in 1976: 

 

nullHelicopter fliers: what a beautiful place for a FARP.

[Dragon1-1]

On 11/11/2025 at 10:16 AM, Lace said:

Agree 1990s version would make more sense.  But perhaps reference material is lacking and for a non-native it would probably be difficult to notice any difference outside the major cities anyway.

The Balkans during the 90s are extensively documented due to the sheer amount of conflicts in the area. Pictorial evidence is plentiful from a variety of sources. There had been peacekeeping missions there, too, with associated Combat Camera deployments and attached journalists. More grimly, a lot of photos were taken as evidence in war crimes trials, too.

The differences would be mostly in urban areas, too. Outside the major cities, changes are going to be subtle enough that using the maps from the period should suffice. There might also be noticeable changes in Italy.

Making a 2025 map makes no sense, seeing as it's the period when the region has finally quieted up a bit. In the 1998 Kosovo War, nearly 14000 people died. The flareup in 2011? Four. It's mostly protesters with placards rather than armed militias. Yes, we can easily make up fictional military actions, but I'd rather see those that actually happened. That means no ugly glass towers or shoddily renovated railway stations, among other things.

[Dača]

7 hours ago, Dragon1-1 said:

The Balkans during the 90s are extensively documented due to the sheer amount of conflicts in the area. Pictorial evidence is plentiful from a variety of sources. There had been peacekeeping missions there, too, with associated Combat Camera deployments and attached journalists. More grimly, a lot of photos were taken as evidence in war crimes trials, too.

The differences would be mostly in urban areas, too. Outside the major cities, changes are going to be subtle enough that using the maps from the period should suffice. There might also be noticeable changes in Italy.

Making a 2025 map makes no sense, seeing as it's the period when the region has finally quieted up a bit. In the 1998 Kosovo War, nearly 14000 people died. The flareup in 2011? Four. It's mostly protesters with placards rather than armed militias. Yes, we can easily make up fictional military actions, but I'd rather see those that actually happened. That means no ugly glass towers or shoddily renovated railway stations, among other things.

Well, present day has some benefits. Like Rafales. New "opportunities". Depends who like what more. This is virtual world after all. Everything will still be fictional.

90's war is perfect scenario for ARMA3. For DCS, not much. 

[Dragon1-1]

Yeah, except we're probably not getting the latest and greatest F4. Also, in 2025 they'll still be anachronistic, Serbia is expected to get them in 2029. You could have Rafale flying over Balkans in a mid-2000s scenario, too, especially if we get an early M model. We don't know what the module is going for, but it's quite probable it'll fit DCS' mid-2000s timeframe. A 90s map could easily stand in for a mid-2000s scenario, at that time the region was still picking up the pieces from all the wars, not building glass towers.

ArmA3 is actually closer to Ukraine than DCS could ever hope to be (in fact, it kind of predicted the sort of drone supported infantry ops we're seeing there). 90s are a far better fit for DCS than the current day timeframe, because aircraft we have are a lot closer to that period than to 2025. Yes, it makes the research a little harder than just looking at Google Maps. It might require altering the satellite-derived textures instead of copypasting them. However, it is likely to make people actually buy the map. 

[Dača]

14 minutes ago, Dragon1-1 said:

Yeah, except we're probably not getting the latest and greatest F4. Also, in 2025 they'll still be anachronistic, Serbia is expected to get them in 2029. You could have Rafale flying over Balkans in a mid-2000s scenario, too, especially if we get an early M model. We don't know what the module is going for, but it's quite probable it'll fit DCS' mid-2000s timeframe. A 90s map could easily stand in for a mid-2000s scenario, at that time the region was still picking up the pieces from all the wars, not building glass towers.

ArmA3 is actually closer to Ukraine than DCS could ever hope to be (in fact, it kind of predicted the sort of drone supported infantry ops we're seeing there). 90s are a far better fit for DCS than the current day timeframe, because aircraft we have are a lot closer to that period than to 2025. Yes, it makes the research a little harder than just looking at Google Maps. It might require altering the satellite-derived textures instead of copypasting them. However, it is likely to make people actually buy the map. 

If only we will get M variant. It will most likely be late C variant, like MSFS will be getting soon.

I mentioned arma because most fighting was done on the ground. Air force had the least involvement. And we are missing some crucial attack aircrafts from that time.