FC is incomplete ?? Says Who?

[Guest ruggbutt]

Read this on some other forums, I won't tell ya who said it. This is a guy who stated he hasn't purchased it yet.

 

StarForce IS on there for 1.1, regardless of the version you get (CD or D/L). By my unofficial estimates going over the various forums, my guess is that they lost aproximately 10-15% of customers by including it.

 

While I have not yet decided to buy or not (still awaiting much more feedback to guage whether or not it's worth it IMO), there is something to be said for listening to the customer base. Like it or not, until the many sheep (customers that subscribe to blind faith purchases) snap out of their dream like state and focus on forcing complete and functional software from developers, unfinished/incomplete/disfunctional software is all we are going to get. Not to mention perpetuating the cycle.

 

What ever happened to doing a good job, because that's what you should do?

 

Now it makes me laugh that after 2 days someone can quote sales figures ("unofficial estimates"). He also makes cracks that FC is incomplete. Is it any wonder why this community is always at odds w/each other? Some people just can't be happy I guess. That and the (unfounded) fear that the new sim will unseat the old one as king......

[Merlin]

Yea, thats a little silly

[Caretaker]

Well I could start with the usual disclaimers about software never being "complete" etc., or point out the flaws in that post... but as that thread was closed anyway, and rightfully so, I don't think it's worth it.

 

1.02 definitely had issues left, but I think the consensus was that it was ok, which of course not everyone agreed to. 1.1 is quite a step forward, but nobody should be surprised to find it's still not perfect.

[FUBAR]

Like it or not, until the many sheep (customers that subscribe to blind faith purchases) snap out of their dream like state and focus on forcing complete and functional software from developers, unfinished/incomplete/disfunctional software is all we are going to get. Not to mention perpetuating the cycle.

 

I don't read anywhere where he is saying FC is incomplete, what I do read though is him making a general statement about the gaming software industry as a whole!

 

Is it any wonder why this community is always at odds w/each other?

 

they will be when everyone has their own interpretation in what the speaker has tried to convey, you seen his post as meaning one thing I see it meaning another, does this mean we are at odds with each other :)

[Guest ruggbutt]

 

they will be when everyone has their own interpretation in what the speaker has tried to convey, you seen his post as meaning one thing I see it meaning another, does this mean we are at odds with each other :)

 

It was posted in the LOMAC forums and he's specifically talking about LOMAC. If I posted his name it would probably make more sense, as he's been on (over) a year long tirade against LOMAC.

[VMFA-Blaze]

It was posted in the LOMAC forums and he's specifically talking about LOMAC. If I posted his name it would probably make more sense, as he's been on (over) a year long tirade against LOMAC.

 

That really takes the cake.....

 

This Guy hasn't bought the addon, hasn't even tried the sim....

 

But yet he make's a statement like that.......

 

It never ceases to amaze me how some people can be so ignorant........

 

 

~S~

 

 

Blaze

[Tracker]

I am so Happy that Linux is now complete.

And Windows XP is now complete.

And IBM can stop changing AIX and DB2 because they are 'Complete'

And every other game and software ever sold is now complete, except of course 'Flaming Cliffs'. MAJOR SCOFF and Sarcastic Stare at such insolence ignorance. Let us sheep have our fodder at least we sleep with our bellys full and a mild appetite for more tomorrow!

[bflagg]

I am so Happy that Linux is now complete.

And Windows XP is now complete.

And IBM can stop changing AIX and DB2 because they are 'Complete'

And every other game and software ever sold is now complete, except of course 'Flaming Cliffs'. MAJOR SCOFF and Sarcastic Stare at such insolence ignorance. Let us sheep have our fodder at least we sleep with our bellys full and a mild appetite for more tomorrow!

 

...but since the world isn't perfect.. there's walgreen's!

[Merlin]

...but since the world isn't perfect.. there's walgreen's!

 

hehe

 

i am just typing this because it says my message is to short

[Slammin]

Or WalMart, if you are single and horny!

[Cdr.Instigator]

Read this on some other forums, I won't tell ya who said it. This is a guy who stated he hasn't purchased it yet.

 

 

 

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I bet my left nut ..that was posted by Bard..

[Guest ruggbutt]

Negative. Close though.

[Wolverine]

I bet my left nut ..that was posted by Bard..

 

You lose 1 left nut then. :icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_lol:

 

Come on hand it over. :p :icon_wink

[kdittyr]

You lose 1 left nut then. :icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_lol:

 

Come on hand it over. :p :icon_wink

 

 

haha, that's gross

 

but a bet's a bet.

[Skywall23]

Negative. Close though.

 

I could put my hands on the fire that it was Shark. Correct?

[Guest ruggbutt]

Negative again. First guess was closer.

[leafer]

Well. It's been a long journey with ED for this fanboi. I had always stuck by them and for years, I went toe to toe with anyone that dare talk chit about ED and their sims. BUT I'm pissed off that ED shipped this game with SF. Having read a lot of the threads here since the release, it seems the SF activation scheme has given a lot of people headache. Why give their customers hell to go through when StarForce will be cracked!!!!! I don't know, man. Still searching if the fanboi in me is still strong. Be right back.

 

Man, never thought this day would come.

 

Remove me, ban me, lock this thread if you want, Dmut! Sorry guys.

[Guest ruggbutt]

You make some good points Leafer but remember this: There are little to no complaints about 1.1 itself. All of the complaints are SF releated. I'm confident that ED will sort out those problems.

 

And for all of you following this thread the original quote was from Mower. Stormin' sent him a free copy to do a fair review on the sim. Mower didn't post his review for some 8 months after he got his free copy, Stormin' had to publicly ask him to hold up his end of the "deal" they made.

 

The best part about this is that Bard, Mower, Growler and the rest of the LOMAC hatebois can only harp on about Starforce regarding 1.1. Now Bard is posting lies about ED responding to his email saying that he would have to buy a new activation key after his 5 were used up. All evidence points to the contrary though. These small minded morons may convince a few of their leg humping buddies to not purchase the sim, but there's always a few that cannot think for themselves.

 

Either way, the hatebois can't fault the sim at all. It runs better across the board. We're all playing a greatly improved sim and when the SF issue is handled we'll be looking towards the future and 1.2.

[VVanks]

Lomac is not complete dammit. If it were, we'd be in a lot of trouble.

[aceflier]

Ya after starforce's reputation you would think that companies would shy away from it. In the end the game will be cracked and the paying customer will be the only one screwed. And the pirates will be playing a more stable/less bug ridden product.

 

All we can do as a gamer is just not buy these products to send a message that we will not put up with it. Otherwise we will be dealing with this for the next sim or next game we buy. I've bought only 1 starforce game. (Was my last also) As long as you people keep buying the software its never going to end. Found a good read about starforce on broadband reports that I think all should read.

 

http://www.broadbandreports.com/shownews/48427

 

What ever happend to the good old days when developers would ask you to back up your software to make sure you had a copy should something happen to the original. Times have changed for the worse I'm afraid.

 

Maybe x-box2 or ps3 will be my next upgrade. Why spend 1000's on hardware to play games if we the customer cant even play our games without someone looking over your shoulder. In my opinion Starforce is borderline Illegal. One day a class action will be filed and maybe then software companies will listen to the needs of the paying customer.

 

I just dont understand why ED would take an already small comunity and throw something like this into the mix to even make it sell less. And why the delay over copy protection when they ended up just using the same thing? At any rate whats done is done nothing we can do now but speak with our checkbooks or in this case our credit cards.

[Quirkitized]

..........

 

 

Damn ace, well put.

[Wolverine]

You make some good points Leafer but remember this: There are little to no complaints about 1.1 itself. All of the complaints are SF releated. I'm confident that ED will sort out those problems.

 

And for all of you following this thread the original quote was from Mower. Stormin' sent him a free copy to do a fair review on the sim. Mower didn't post his review for some 8 months after he got his free copy, Stormin' had to publicly ask him to hold up his end of the "deal" they made.

 

The best part about this is that Bard, Mower, Growler and the rest of the LOMAC hatebois can only harp on about Starforce regarding 1.1. Now Bard is posting lies about ED responding to his email saying that he would have to buy a new activation key after his 5 were used up. All evidence points to the contrary though. These small minded morons may convince a few of their leg humping buddies to not purchase the sim, but there's always a few that cannot think for themselves.

 

Either way, the hatebois can't fault the sim at all. It runs better across the board. We're all playing a greatly improved sim and when the SF issue is handled we'll be looking towards the future and 1.2.

 

 

Yes I agree, although SF is in 1.1 the main problems aren't with 1.1 per say but are from SF.

 

I wouldn't be a bit suprised that before the official word form ED is released on monday ED will be sending SF and e-mail asking "WTF".

 

Oh and I rate Bard and his clan up there with he who shall not be named..... No not Voldamort ...... Galen Thurber :icon_lol:

[CanadaDave]

IMHO, there are really two issues here.

 

First of all, there are some malcontents out there. Don't know what their problems are. Perhaps they were potty trained too soon, possibly their mothers didn't hold them enough. Whatever the reason, some people always have something to complain and rant about. We really ought to just ignore them and encourage them to go hang out with their own kind over at Bard's forums.

 

Starforce is the second issue. I think in the end ED will do right by their customers, but it would be nice if they outright said a couple things. Firstly, while I don't think they'd ever leave a customer out to dry if they run out of activations, it'd be nice if they'd say so. Of course, there would have to be some limitations otherwise customers could install FC for half their squad Monday and the other half by Wednesday. The other thing is what happens should ED or Starforce go out of business. Again, I don't think ED would abandon their customers. It'd be nice if they'd outright say that they'd remove Starforce after a specified period (say five or ten years) or promise that should the worst happen that they will release an unprotected version before the last person turns out the lights.

[leafer]

You make some good points Leafer but remember this: There are little to no complaints about 1.1 itself. All of the complaints are SF releated. I'm confident that ED will sort out those problems.

 

Hmmm. Good point because I didn't notice it. Everything is drowned by all the problems with activation and people bitching about SF. But you see, that's the exact reason they should have avoided this stupid StarForce program

 

You know, personally, I don't care about the activation scheme nor the crappy SF program on my computer. I was willing to support them with my money. Something I don't have a lot of. Plus, I'm used to being screwed by things far more serious just cuz I live in this country. Nope. It will take a brown Thai woman with big breasts to get me excited. BUT what annoys the crap out of me is that ED could have easily avoided all this negativity but they didn't. What the feck were they thinking!? Or did they sign a contract with SF and too late for them to back out?

 

And for all of you following this thread the original quote was from Mower. Stormin' sent him a free copy to do a fair review on the sim. Mower didn't post his review for some 8 months after he got his free copy, Stormin' had to publicly ask him to hold up his end of the "deal" they made.

 

Huh! I was right! You know what? That's the first one I thought of! LoL Just didn't feel like typing her name.

 

The best part about this is that Bard, Mower, Growler and the rest of the LOMAC hatebois can only harp on about Starforce regarding 1.1. Now Bard is posting lies about ED responding to his email saying that he would have to buy a new activation key after his 5 were used up. All evidence points to the contrary though. These small minded morons may convince a few of their leg humping buddies to not purchase the sim, but there's always a few that cannot think for themselves.

 

Either way, the hatebois can't fault the sim at all. It runs better across the board. We're all playing a greatly improved sim and when the SF issue is handled we'll be looking towards the future and 1.2.

 

Yeah, I figured that it might have been a lie. I posted a response from ED to another user that contradicted his at simhq. Ignore them, man. They're a bunch of girly nerds that live and breath Falcon 4.

[JG27_Arklight]

I haven't seriously played LOMAC in quite a while and the release of 1.1 has really "reinstated" my interest.

 

In fact, I think the last time I really sat down and played a good game of LOMAC online, was when Rugg and I chased a TU-95 around in our A-10s like a couple of idiots. LOL Good times!

 

With regards to 1.1 being "incomplete", all I can say is that I am having fun with it. It certainly renewed my interest in LOMAC and I am having a great time so far. People can say what they want regarding the completeness of 1.1, as long as I'm having fun with it I could give a rat's ass what anybody else says.