Next DCS (US) Fixed Wing Aircraft Wish List

[Smoky]

Was thinking today how much I miss the old Xwing simulators from LucasArts. And since they've said they likely won't try to make another one but wouldn't mind if someone else did, I got to thinking, who would make the best Xwing simulator?

 

Well, if we wanted the real-deal, full study simulator then there is no where else to go but the crew at ED with DCS.

 

 

Have you guys considered a fiction line to go alongside of your reality sims?

 

An XWing vs Tie Fighter multiplayer battle (20 vs 20?) would be a hot seller. You could make one sim for the Xwing, and another for the Tie Fighter (and then more for other craft) and we'd buy them both. I'd preorder the entire lineup right now.

 

Anyway, I know it is slightly OT. But I thought I'd put it out there.

[vrv]

There is no next module and ED is going under. DCS is dead.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now that you have become so infuriated at me that you are planning on hunting me down and the hatred, loathing and wrath of thousands of people is directed at me everyone here hates waiting but this is going to go on forever. When they announce that they are releasing DCS-CIA Case Officer the cycle of DCS will continue.

[sobek]

But who else does things like this?

 

The whole game industry? Blizzard gives out absolutely no release dates until they are very close to release.

[sobek]

What's the old saying? Give the customer what they want?

 

The problem is that the customers don't know what they want. It's damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Edited December 12, 2011 by sobek

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The whole game industry? Blizzard gives out absolutely no release dates until they are very close to release.

Release date is one thing, but they are very good at generating buzz around their upcoming products.

[sobek]

Release date is one thing, but they are very good at generating buzz around their upcoming products.

 

They probably have more marketing blokes run their forums than ED has overall employees. This is a niche market.

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Yes, its a niche market, which should be all the more reason to keep the community interested and "in the loop". "We're working on something that might be released next week, in 2020 or not at all, and we're not going to tell you what it is", isnt a good way to keep people interested in your product. Its been ten months since the release of Warthog, and still we know nothing about the next DCS aircraft, I agree with Sunjah, this is starting to get silly.

[wess24m]

careful, any disagreement with the ED team is termed as a violation of rule 1.2, warrented or not. It's only ok to disrespect the normal users of this product, and only then if your a moderator, thx GGTharos got your PM about posting something that doesn't completely support/agree with your posts. I've been warned.

[Eddie]

My mind boggles, it really does.

[sobek]

Its been ten months since the release of Warthog, and still we know nothing about the next DCS aircraft, I agree with Sunjah, this is starting to get silly.

 

The time is simply not here to announce it. You keep inferring that ED hassles its users. This is not the case. They are trying to not give out information that they can't guarantee to be trustworthy. Besides, there was a major update on current projects not too long ago.

 

What would knowing the next acft really change? Apart from a few pitbuilders starting to raid their trustfunds, probably next to nothing.

Edited December 12, 2011 by sobek

[Pyroflash]

careful, any disagreement with the ED team is termed as a violation of rule 1.2, warrented or not. It's only ok to disrespect the normal users of this product, and only then if your a moderator, thx GGTharos got your PM about posting something that doesn't completely support/agree with your posts. I've been warned.

 

 

7700! But seriously, nobody likes a smart***.

 

Personally I have found the moderators here to be of very high quality, not just in how they moderate the forums (which is a huge task BTW), but also in how they conduct themselves. Even more importantly, they care enough about the community to actually warn you if you are doing something wrong. And even then, it's more of a "Hey, can you please stop doing this? or at least refrain from speaking in such a abrasive manner?" than a "you've been warned once, do it again and I will ban you" which I see more often than not on other forums.

Edited December 12, 2011 by Pyroflash

[sobek]

GGTharos got your PM about posting something that doesn't completely support/agree with your posts. I've been warned.

 

If you have a problem with moderator disciplinary action, sort it out per PM or take it to the community managers (Groove or EvilBivol1).

 

As you can see, none of the reasonable criticism is being deleted... *sigh* Even the unreasonable criticism is kept unless it crosses the line of being disrespectful.

Edited December 12, 2011 by sobek

[joey45]

IMHO, ED are doing the right thing about keeping quite about the next airframe. And anyway you have a pretty good choice about the next one-

F-15

F-16

F-18

take a pick.....

[kylania]

If they'd tell us what it is the fighting in this thread could stop. That's one reason to finally announce it. :)

[joey45]

No, let ED say when they are ready.

I find the fighting is a good read. :tomato:

[Lanzfeld]

Can you imagine if they did a B-17 sim? Like accu-sim but with combat.

 

I would buy 10 copies.

[Night]

Here's my concept:

 

DCS: FUTURE WARRIER

Set in the year 2016.

 

PLOT: The Russians, frustrated with recent economic collapse because of the falling price of oil, elect a new hard-line communist party to power. The "Evil Empire" is back (perhaps a good slogan for the box set?). The new Communist president of Russia, Barack Obama (just kidding!), invades several eastern European countries in an attempt to regain old Soviet land. The United States and other NATO countries respond in force. An agreement is reached so both sides promise not to use nuclear weapons, and the war will stay conventional.

 

US AIRCRAFT:

-F-22 (fighter)

-F-35 (multirole)

-B-2 (bomber)

 

RU AIRCRAFT:

-PAK-FA (fighter)

-Su-37 (multirole)

-Hopefully by the time this game is released the Russians will come up with a new stealth bomber. Dreams aside, let's add the Su-34.

[Cali]

If you have a problem with moderator disciplinary action, sort it out per PM or take it to the community managers (Groove or EvilBivol1).

 

Tried that already...

[Sunjah]

History shows that if ED were to say "we hope to have carrier launches + landings" many people read it as "we absolutely promise the most detailed simulation of carrier operations ever in a computer game" and get very upset when they don't get what they think they were promised.

 

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There's also the possibility that they're not allowed to announce what it is until after some set date, or after completion of works for their "sponsor", or what-have-you. And there's also the possibility they're not allowed to publish any details of their contracts, no matter how trivial... :music_whistling:

 

I understand what your first part is stating, but anyone who is going to do that is going to find fault/get angry at something anyway. I do not think I really agree with that. Withholding information so that people do not say "But you promised us this, and this, and that..." Honestly, people are going to do that anyway, people from a certain section.

 

Your second part may be true, but I do not understand why someone would enter into a contract that would be so restrictive and binding.

 

The whole thing seems counterproductive to me. I do not demand anything; I will not scream out if something is not delivered on, but as I stated, this thread is near 2 years old and there still is not an answer. That is not a good way to "get along with your community" in my opinion.

 

 

The whole game industry? Blizzard gives out absolutely no release dates until they are very close to release.

Release date is one thing, but they are very good at generating buzz around their upcoming products.

They probably have more marketing blokes run their forums than ED has overall employees. This is a niche market.

 

Yes, its a niche market, which should be all the more reason to keep the community interested and "in the loop". "We're working on something that might be released next week, in 2020 or not at all, and we're not going to tell you what it is", isnt a good way to keep people interested in your product...

I think this sums up my whole point. The whole industry does not seem to work like this; Blizzard will not set a date, but we have KNOWN for 3 years about Diablo 3. I especially think AGG nails it in his last statement.

 

This is a niche market, so why alienate the true fans you have by "playing games" like this.

 

GGTharos and Eddie, there was not intent to make this line of statements a personal front for something against either of you, but your tones are very curt and angry. I think the people at DCS make a huge mistake not treating members of their community better. For me, I do not think complete subservience is the answer, but you can go that way if you feel it is.

 

I love Black Shark, though I would much rather have American aircrafts, and the A-10 was already in the Flaming Cliffs/Lock-On stuff.

 

I would like a AH-64/D Longbow and an F/A-18C (or E) carrier based Super Hornet. If either of those are going to be made, I, as a customer, would have felt INTENSELY better sitting and waiting for them then checking a thread every so often that is almost 2 years old and reading, "Well, they haven't announced it yet, but when they do..."

 

There is no entitlement, I just simply think a niche market product does itself and everyone involved a disservice when they alienate the consumers trying to be loyal patrons of their business.

 

Alienation; subservience; justification; they all seems to smack pretty hard of "silly games" in my book. Just freaking explain your plans, then if plans change state that plans have changed. It is called a line of communication.

Edited December 13, 2011 by Sunjah

[BIGNEWY]

I don't understand why there is so much secrecy behind the next aircraft, but that's ED's choice.

 

All we can do is keep taking the prozac lol

[sobek]

I understand what your first part is stating, but anyone who is going to do that is going to find fault/get angry at something anyway. I do not think I really agree with that. Withholding information so that people do not say "But you promised us this, and this, and that..." Honestly, people are going to do that anyway, people from a certain section.

 

Yes, a lot of people feel righteous these days ...

Recent history has clearly shown that a lot of people cannot handle reality when it comes to sims. Period.

 

Your second part may be true, but I do not understand why someone would enter into a contract that would be so restrictive and binding.

 

Because there's money in it. With the military, it's either their way or the highway. Remember, we said this was a niche market. Any big contractor that helps ED fund development for a while is a big load off their minds. But i'm assuming here. Maybe there's no military contract. They are still entitled to keep confidential what is not set in stone yet.

 

The whole thing seems counterproductive to me. I do not demand anything; I will not scream out if something is not delivered on, but as I stated, this thread is near 2 years old and there still is not an answer. That is not a good way to "get along with your community" in my opinion.

 

Other projects are more important now, projects that you have been informed about.

 

I think this sums up my whole point. The whole industry does not seem to work like this; Blizzard will not set a date, but we have KNOWN for 3 years about Diablo 3. I especially think AGG nails it in his last statement.

 

There are many people angry with blizzard for hyping for so long and not releasing it. There's even a name for it that i don't remember. :) There's 2 sides to the medallion, you can't just show the one that fits your argument.

 

This is a niche market, so why alienate the true fans you have by "playing games" like this.

 

Nobody is being alienated. You are feeling entitlement to something you can not be given due to current circumstances, whatever they may be. Why are you so reluctant to see the other point of view? I know that this is frustrating, but if you stop obsessing and appreciate what is available now, time will pass that much faster.

 

I love Black Shark, though I would much rather have American aircrafts, and the A-10 was already in the Flaming Cliffs/Lock-On stuff.

 

If you think that DCS A-10C is anything like the A-Hog from FC, you need a big reality check ASAP. ;)

 

 

There is no entitlement, I just simply think a niche market product does itself and everyone involved a disservice when they alienate the consumers trying to be loyal patrons of their business.

 

More people are alienated by plans changing. As i said, there is no win-win option in this, but you clearly are not willing to see that point. ;)

 

Alienation; subservience; justification; they all seems to smack pretty hard of "silly games" in my book. Just freaking explain your plans, then if plans change state that plans have changed. It is called a line of communication.

 

Well i would have you sit on EDs side when the righteous come crushing down on the forum, it would be quite eye opening, methinks.

 

I don't understand why there is so much secrecy behind the next aircraft, but that's ED's choice.

 

All we can do is keep taking the prozac lol

 

No need for prozac, playing DCS does just nicely. ;)

[Eddie]

This is a niche market, so why alienate the true fans you have by "playing games" like this.

 

How on earth is not telling you what you want to know, regardless of the fact it's not the appropriate time to make such an announcement alienating anybody or playing games? When ED feel they are in a position to be able to provide a worthwhile announcement, they will.

 

We get it, YOU want to know what the DCS:Fighter is. So does just about everyone, but sitting their stomping your feet like a child having a tantrum isn't going to get you anywhere.

 

What you and others like you need to realise is that DCS:Fighter is a project in very early development, and ED/TFC have at least 4 other projects under developent with will be released before DCS:Fighter. ED/TFC, the testers and the majority of the community is focused on those products.

 

This early in the development process plans change almost daily, so really what would ED achive my making an announcement today, only to have to retract or revise it the tomorrow. It far better for ED and the community to wait until they have a solid plan and feature set before they make any annoucement.

 

Alienation; subservience; justification; they all seems to smack pretty hard of "silly games" in my book.

 

Again, the only one alienating you, is YOU. The only people playing 'silly games' are people like you who are DEMANDING an answer to your questions and crying about it when you don't get the answer YOU want.

 

Just freaking explain your plans, then if plans change state that plans have changed. It is called a line of communication.

 

The plans have been explained, in greater detail than ever before. I really don't think I need to link to the future roadmap post again, do I?

 

Now, go and enjoy the Ka-50 and A-10C, and look forward to Combined Ops and Nevada as well as FC3 if it's your thing. If you spend you whole life looking into the future you'll miss the present.

[213]

if you stop obsessing and appreciate what is available now, time will pass that much faster.

 

very well made point.

 

maybe people are getting too used to how ea and activision does things. ie, a sequel every year.

[Sunjah]

...who are DEMANDING an answer to your questions and crying about it...

 

Would it be possible for you to show me once where I "DEMANDED" anything?

 

By the state or your argument (yes, you are the one arguing, because you keep attacking me personally, something I have never done in this current line of posts), any statement that seems to insinuate that ED could do things differently or more positively is automatically a reason for that statement to be wrong, and the stater attacked.

 

I stated opinions, which is far from demanding...go back and read, dude, I never said anyone had to do anything, but there is no question I think this is a bad marketing strategy.

 

TO SOBEK: I was reading your points, and it is not that I don't see the other side to the argument, I absolutely do, I just think it does more harm then the "keeping informed side", and then as I am reading your points, I noticed three straight thoughts that attacked me personally.

 

NOT to sobek (but to anyone who feels like reading, including sobek):

I know people here like to polarize, hey, cool, go to it, but I was stating an opinion of frustration and disagreement with the current state. Now it is attack after attack.

 

*I never stated that I have entitlement;

 

*I disagree completely in how DCS is handled from the producers (a simple yes or no once would have saved me about $120 from copying the Black Shark manual, but WAGS decided he was too good to be bothered writing back to a PM with a single word; I got the entire thing printed; and then they printed it out and charged; My question, "Was there even a POSSIBILITY that it could be printed?" No answer (ignored is more like it), so I printed it, and a few weeks later WAGS announces the printing...thanks, appreciate that (especially because printed instructions should come with a game to begin with);

 

*Aren't we supposed to share opinions and discuss matters here?

 

*The "overly" defensive attitude here raises some incredible (proverbial) eyebrows. Why is there so much of a quick attack in the responses. If you disagree, fine, but the second response I receive starts with the "You; You're; Your; it's all about you" crap. Enough already. We disagree. If I have made any statement directly attacking you, it was not meant and I honestly don't know you got that...but keep going if you want to.

 

*I had an f/a-18 simulator as one of the first games I ever played. I would love a current one. If I knew it was coming, I would be happy. Having a thread open for almost 2years with no answers, well, that seems a bit silly (very silly, actually).

 

*You won.

 

*You are right, keep going!

[Eddie]

*I never stated that I have entitlement;

 

Stated, maybe not. But your posts are written is such a way that they imply that you believe you are entitled to something.

 

*I disagree completely in how DCS is handled from the producers (a simple yes or no once would have saved me about $120 from copying the Black Shark manual, but WAGS decided he was too good to be bothered writing back to a PM with a single word; I got the entire thing printed; and then they printed it out and charged; My question, "Was there even a POSSIBILITY that it could be printed?" No answer (ignored is more like it), so I printed it, and a few weeks later WAGS announces the printing...thanks, appreciate that (especially because printed instructions should come with a game to begin with);

 

Fine, disagree all you like. But did you ever stop to think that maybe, just maybe, Wags gets a hell of a lot of PMs from people asking questions all the time, some stupid some not. And that it's impossible for him to answer them all. More to the point, why should he?

 

You spending money on priting the manual is irrelevant and strikes me as a case of you trying to blame something you have done and then come to regret on anybody but yourself.

 

*Aren't we supposed to share opinions and discuss matters here?

 

Of course. But you seem to go on the attack whenever anybody doesn't agree with your viewpoint, which I might add would appear to be most people. Because, and here's the thing, while most people want to know what's coming a year or more down the line, they also have many other things to worry about in life and rightly consider this pretty damn trivial.

 

*The "overly" defensive attitude here raises some incredible (proverbial) eyebrows. Why is there so much of a quick attack in the responses. If you disagree, fine, but the second response I receive starts with the "You; You're; Your; it's all about you" crap. Enough already. We disagree. If I have made any statement directly attacking you, it was not meant and I honestly don't know you got that...but keep going if you want to.

 

Nobody is being defensive. People are only stating their personal opinions and in some cases trying to make you see things from the other side of the coin, something you don't seem able to do for reasons known only unto yourself. The thing is, your post is all about your opinion and it's posted by you. How else should it be referenced?

 

*I had an f/a-18 simulator as one of the first games I ever played. I would love a current one. If I knew it was coming, I would be happy.

 

Can you not be happy otherwise? Why do you need to know, really? Is this really that important in the grand scheme of things?

 

Having a thread open for almost 2years with no answers, well, that seems a bit silly (very silly, actually).

 

Huh? It's a wish list thread, the whole purpose of the thread is for people to discuss what they'd like to see modelled in the DCS series. It has nothing to do with what is actually going to be next.