Next DCS (US) Fixed Wing Aircraft Wish List

[VFA41_Lion]

And without fuel tanks, you'd just piss through your meager internals in no time.

 

 

By the way, out of curiosity, why can't the F-15C in FC2 accelerate straight up? I even took all the gun ammo and countermeasure buckets out and flew on half a tank and I still lost speed in a vertical climb. Something's wrong with your game.

 

Lawl. Complain about the Hornet in one sentence and say the game is broken in the next. You are too funny, Frosty! :megalol:

 

Speaking about meager internals, the F-15C has about 2000 pounds more internal fuel capacity than the legacy Hornet, and about 1000-1500 pounds less than the Super Hornet. So without fuel tanks.. yeah, you're right, you'd just piss through that in no time.

 

See, the thing is, Frosty, the F-15C was built as an interceptor. The Hornet was built for multi-role. So yea, I acknowledge, that as an interceptor, much the like the F-4 Phantom before it, is gonna have more fuel and speed capability than a multi-role.

 

Unfortunately for your Eagle hard on, going Mach 2 in a dogfight isn't all that feasible. :joystick:

[GGTharos]

It isn't needed either. Mach 2 is for getting places fast, and winning BVR fights.

[Frostiken]

I'm not talking about the C-model either.

[Speed]

I'm not talking about the C-model either.

 

As an early 1-year-on-the-forums-anniversary gift for you Frostie, I've created, just for you, your very own, Westboro-Baptist-Church-style "God Hates F-18s" sign. Maybe you can blow it up, print it off, and picket outside of ED's offices in Moscow? Heck, if they can't read English, folks there might just think you're protesting Putin or something- but ED will know better ;)

[hitman]

F-15s are gay. Anything the air force flies is gay. Anything made by Boeing is boring. Anything anyone flies is gay. The super hornet is super awesome and smites all...even god himself cuz thats how boeing rolls. Oh yeah...they are both made by the same manufacturer, arent they. Strike 2 for Boring.

 

 

Lets all remember that this once was a thing.

Edited March 7, 2012 by hitman

[Speed]

Lets all remember that this once was a thing.

Doesn't that thing still exist in a museum somewhere? Like, maybe one of those little freak-shows that goes town-to-town, and you can pay a dollar to go see the disgusting, malformed "fighter" from Boeing?

[EtherealN]

See, the thing is, Frosty, the F-15C was built as an interceptor.

 

Actually, no it wasn't. It was built to be an air superiority fighter. There is a difference. For example, the MiG-25 was an interceptor - it was made to go somewhere stupid fast, launch weapons, and then go home. It wasn't made to engage in knife fights. But the F-15 was designed with both those capabilities in mind.

 

As far as fuel capacity, wasn't the C and SuperHornet pretty much the same for internal capacity? E-model hornet having like 1k lbs more than, F being equal to, the F-15C? (And of course, the F-15E has better engines and way more fuel capacity, though the conformals do come at some performance costs.)

 

Oh, and going Mach 2 in a dogfight isn't "feasible" for the Super Hornet either. Going that speed in a dogfight equals to leave the fight, and any Mach-2 capable plane can do that as long as the other guy isn't even faster and can give chase. Like GG mentioned, the really high speeds are used to either get somewhere really fast, or to give extra energy to your ordnance for longer range deliveries. In a dogfight, what matters is to be able to sustain a lot of G's at reasonable speeds - preferably without having bled all your energy 30 seconds into the fight (as is standard for me :D ).

[Bearitall]

Actually, no it wasn't. It was built to be an air superiority fighter. There is a difference. For example, the MiG-25 was an interceptor - it was made to go somewhere stupid fast, launch weapons, and then go home. It wasn't made to engage in knife fights. But the F-15 was designed with both those capabilities in mind.

 

As far as fuel capacity, wasn't the C and SuperHornet pretty much the same for internal capacity? E-model hornet having like 1k lbs more than, F being equal to, the F-15C? (And of course, the F-15E has better engines and way more fuel capacity, though the conformals do come at some performance costs.)

 

Oh, and going Mach 2 in a dogfight isn't "feasible" for the Super Hornet either. Going that speed in a dogfight equals to leave the fight, and any Mach-2 capable plane can do that as long as the other guy isn't even faster and can give chase. Like GG mentioned, the really high speeds are used to either get somewhere really fast, or to give extra energy to your ordnance for longer range deliveries. In a dogfight, what matters is to be able to sustain a lot of G's at reasonable speeds - preferably without having bled all your energy 30 seconds into the fight (as is standard for me :D ).

 

The Avro Arrow was an Interceptor..but died just as quickly as it was thought of...Greatess achievement of the Canadian Avionic's industry...and was the best Interceptor of its time all over the world...and the USA hitmen stole our designer's after the Government killed the Avro Arrow..

 

Edited March 7, 2012 by Bearitall

[Frostiken]

Good thing the F/A-18 and F-15 were made by McDonnell Douglas, not Boeing :)

 

Regarding dogfighting, I would imagine the only thing the F/A-18 pilot would try to leverage for him would be the high-alpha capabilities thanks to the LERXs. If both aircraft try to play the who-can-fly-slower game, the F-15 would lose, but I would imagine the F-15 would realize this and simply put on power and climb, which the F/A-18 would not be able to do nearly as effectively. I mean.... a single F100-229 puts out 20% less thrust than BOTH F/A-18C's GEs combined :)

Edited March 7, 2012 by Frostiken

[Phantom88]

Frosty,It's time for your Hornet Anger Management Class......Come along Quietly Please:)

 

[Cali]

The engines on the F-18 are tiny compared to the 15. I think I have some pictures of an F-18 engine somewhere.

[hitman]

Good thing the F/A-18 and F-15 were made by McDonnell Douglas, not Boeing :)

 

Regarding dogfighting, I would imagine the only thing the F/A-18 pilot would try to leverage for him would be the high-alpha capabilities thanks to the LERXs. If both aircraft try to play the who-can-fly-slower game, the F-15 would lose, but I would imagine the F-15 would realize this and simply put on power and climb, which the F/A-18 would not be able to do nearly as effectively. I mean.... a single F100-229 puts out 20% less thrust than BOTH F/A-18C's GEs combined :)

I guess it was a good thing McDonnell Douglas wasnt bought out by Boeing. Ohwait...

[GGTharos]

Simplifying a fight that much doesn't serve anything. BFM fights often mature to 'low and slow' if a kill isn't made in 45 seconds, and usually the guy who turns better has a bit of an easier time of it. The statement that 'you meet a better class of people in the vertical' may be true, but it's true because the vertical is not as easy to take advantage of.

 

And there are other factors as well. If the combat is ACM and neither aircraft has shot the other down (or mutual :D ) by the merge, then both aircraft will be looking to either rmin or stay out of the WEZ of the other, and then ... guess what - the hornet is likely to get his WEZ on the eagle faster (note likely, not guaranteed, as with everything, it depends) while the eagle wants to rmin to prevent use of missiles, so now he can't just pour on the coals and climb away. So ... what now? :)

 

Also keep in mind that a nominally loaded hornet will corner quite nicely at alow to medium altitude. F-15's have advantages higher up, but again it might not matter in ACM. It all depends, always.

 

Good thing the F/A-18 and F-15 were made by McDonnell Douglas, not Boeing :)

 

Regarding dogfighting, I would imagine the only thing the F/A-18 pilot would try to leverage for him would be the high-alpha capabilities thanks to the LERXs. If both aircraft try to play the who-can-fly-slower game, the F-15 would lose, but I would imagine the F-15 would realize this and simply put on power and climb, which the F/A-18 would not be able to do nearly as effectively. I mean.... a single F100-229 puts out 20% less thrust than BOTH F/A-18C's GEs combined :)

[jp203000]

Here it is !

[badger66]

[badger66]

Here it is !

 

Naa , dont believe that ..... you gotta have a beta version and 2 monster updates before it arrives in a box !!!

Antway , its not even an E .

[213]

you can't get an e, it's too new. that's not a flaw on his part, but rather clever and realistic.

[Daze]

I prefer the F-18C. I wish ED would release some news on what jet is next and when it's out!

[MemphisBelle]

I prefer the F-18C. I wish ED would release some news on what jet is next and when it's out!

 

They might not release any details about release date now, but as far the year goes on, you will either see some updates, Videos and so on, or a suddenly available beta release...which is definetly somethings that I do prefer :music_whistling:

[Scoggs]

 

As far as fuel capacity, wasn't the C and SuperHornet pretty much the same for internal capacity? E-model hornet having like 1k lbs more than, F being equal to, the F-15C? (And of course, the F-15E has better engines and way more fuel capacity, though the conformals do come at some performance costs.)

 

 

Internal capacity of the C is about 11,900lbs. Internal capacity of the E is 14,400lbs and the F is in the 13,100 range IIRC. Usually the E/F's will fly with one 480 gallon drop tank adding another 3,264lbs. of fuel. Increasing total fuel to 17,664lbs.

 

The F-15E carries (Internally) 13,700lbs or so. Although apparently they usually fly with Conformal Fuel Tanks so that ups the fuel to 22,630lbs.

 

These numbers are with JP-5

[Newt]

I still maintain that I will be thrilled with either :P

[GGTharos]

According to the -1 it's 14080. you're looking up data for the A.

 

Internal capacity of the C is about 11,900lbs.

 

These numbers are with JP-5

[jp203000]

you can't get an e, it's too new. that's not a flaw on his part, but rather clever and realistic.

 

I also think it's not going to be C , ED is so clever that they will aovid any potential opponents like BMS or 7g, so it is most likely to be F15C.:cry:

Edited March 8, 2012 by jp203000

[Scoggs]

According to the -1 it's 14080. you're looking up data for the A.

 

According to the NATOPS A1-F18AC-NFM-000, it's 10,800Lbs internal A through C.

[GGTharos]

I was talking F-15C ... my mistake.