another nail in the coffin of the sim industry

[159th_Viper]

Sweet Mary-Jane........:doh:

 

Are we still waiting for a track file? Please tell me no.......

[Avilator]

Sweet Mary-Jane........:doh:

 

Are we still waiting for a track file? Please tell me no.......

It seems that way.:music_whistling:

EDIT: My mistake. We got 1.

[mvsgas]

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post 49. Like we thought, Operator error

[sweinhart3]

Wonder if he quit. His last post suggested he was going back to XBOX360 games.

[Avilator]

Wonder if he quit. His last post suggested he was going back to XBOX360 games.

No big loss, IMO. If he were to carry on that way, that is.

[159th_Viper]

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post 49. Like we thought, Operator error

 

Aahhh......OK then.

[aairon]

I maid dis mod on my moto rezor flip fone in 10 minits if u r not blind u can c its a copcar made to a chopper wid very gud fisix dis da bomb I gunna make sum doo wid dis mod it fly like a reel cop car wid reel fisix an all da cool lites on da top I wurkin on da wing monted cannons but i forgot da wings so i back to wurk on it.

 

 

I gunna cal dis won da coptercar lol dats funny ya?

[ChromeWasp]

you are a good bunch and I appreciate your posts

I'll try it on my friends i7 rig before I bin it

take care

[Glowing_Amraam]

you are a good bunch and I appreciate your posts

I'll try it on my friends i7 rig before I bin it

take care

 

Well we had to take it far when GTA was called a Sim. ;)

 

But it should run well on the i7 .. i use that cpu as well.

[Groove]

I maid dis mod on my moto rezor flip fone in 10 minits if u r not blind u can c its a copcar made to a chopper wid very gud fisix dis da bomb I gunna make sum doo wid dis mod it fly like a reel cop car wid reel fisix an all da cool lites on da top I wurkin on da wing monted cannons but i forgot da wings so i back to wurk on it.

 

 

I gunna cal dis won da coptercar lol dats funny ya?

 

 

 

[MTFDarkEagle]

You really have no patience do you?

[Avilator]

I maid dis mod on my moto rezor flip fone in 10 minits if u r not blind u can c its a copcar made to a chopper wid very gud fisix dis da bomb I gunna make sum doo wid dis mod it fly like a reel cop car wid reel fisix an all da cool lites on da top I wurkin on da wing monted cannons but i forgot da wings so i back to wurk on it.

 

 

I gunna cal dis won da coptercar lol dats funny ya?

The light rack looks misaligned. Is that what's spinning to make the "lift?":megalol:

[GGTharos]

Glad you're taking it in stride.

I hope it works for you :)

 

you are a good bunch and I appreciate your posts

I'll try it on my friends i7 rig before I bin it

take care

[Blaze]

:D

 

Joking aside, hope everything works out and you decide to dedicate more time to actually learning this sim. :)

Edited August 9, 2010 by Blaze

[aairon]

The light rack looks misaligned. Is that what's spinning to make the "lift?":megalol:

 

Yep da lite rack is da rotor it be spinnin roun an roun very fast. dat speshule lite rake wid seckret lift kapacity. dat one of da sekret tings about desining chooper wid da Flip fone, it has speshul funktons fer sekret stuf. da lite rak wil also be on da modded A-10c fer perpulshin insted of da jets.:pilotfly:

[aaron886]

DCS:BS is maybe not the most FPS-efficient simulator, but it is very complex. It's running the hell out of your CPU trying to compute flight dynamics, systems, AI, etc, at the same time as working on some graphical elements.

 

Given, ED could stand to offload more graphical tasks to the GPU (think, scenery objects! They're a huge CPU killer,) and put more work into multi-core operations, but their target market generally has fairly strong computers built just for simulation. Apparently, your arcade-tastes just don't fit that target market, ChromeWasp.

 

I love Condor... I used to fly sailplanes fairly frequently and used Condor in my training. It has excellent stability simulation and really "feels" like a glider. On the same note, DCS:BS has even better stability simulation, compounded with airflow simulation, rotor physics, and realistic systems. The reason why Condor runs more smoothly is because Condor is... simpler. It's not really that old or anything like that, it's just doing much less. All it has to calculate is a terrain mesh, some trees, and simple physics for a simple airplane - even without an engine. I love FPS-efficient programming probably as much or more than you do, but I have a better understanding and appreciation for what DCS:BS is doing... and even then I probably have no idea of its true complexity.

 

If you aren't patient enough to work with Black Shark and learn to fly it properly, you'll never make it to the weapons systems, and its time to go back to GTA4... study simulators are not for you! That's why it's a small market... they just aren't for everyone.

 

 

Oddly enough, I find it MORE difficult to fly "simpler" arcade choppers in games like Battlefield BC2. :joystick:

[ChromeWasp]

I so badly want this sim to work properly

 

I set it up at 1024 single full screen

and I get avg 25 fps

and I run a whole set of tests on autohover etc.

and I believe it is just buggy

sometimes it works perfectly - other times not

sometimes you are floating away from the hover point with the smallest hud velocity vector you ever saw and ... it ... just ... keeps floating away

other times you can knock it off center and it pulls right back

sometimes you activate it at 30 kph and it pulls right back to the point

other times you activate at 0 kph and never makes it

turn to target - sometimes just does nothing

what I am finding is that if I just waggle the controls or fly somewhere else

it starts to work again

it isn't a trimmed-to-the-edge-of-20-percent issue as I can see the trim point in the red box - and it is fine

 

i tried switching to game flight mode but copy the control profiles from real and see if that works but now turn to target is unservicable

 

something isn't right - if you say these forums are full of people complaining about these problems ... that backs up what I am saying

[aaron886]

People aren't usually "complaining" about it... they're asking, because they admit the possibility that it's their problem and not the simulator's.

 

 

I'm a total BS noob, but IIRC it could have something to do with leaving on the Flight Director?

[159th_Viper]

 

something isn't right - if you say these forums are full of people complaining about these problems ... that backs up what I am saying

 

Yeah - they complain until they're told/shown that they're doing it wrong.......there's the difference ;)

 

Read the manual, understand the manual, read the manual again and put in the hours........you'll get there.

[Luke.S]

I so badly want this sim to work properly

 

I set it up at 1024 single full screen

and I get avg 25 fps

and I run a whole set of tests on autohover etc.

and I believe it is just buggy

sometimes it works perfectly - other times not

sometimes you are floating away from the hover point with the smallest hud velocity vector you ever saw and ... it ... just ... keeps floating away

other times you can knock it off center and it pulls right back

sometimes you activate it at 30 kph and it pulls right back to the point

other times you activate at 0 kph and never makes it

turn to target - sometimes just does nothing

what I am finding is that if I just waggle the controls or fly somewhere else

it starts to work again

it isn't a trimmed-to-the-edge-of-20-percent issue as I can see the trim point in the red box - and it is fine

 

i tried switching to game flight mode but copy the control profiles from real and see if that works but now turn to target is unservicable

 

something isn't right - if you say these forums are full of people complaining about these problems ... that backs up what I am saying

 

Post your system specs fgs. Cause if it is lower than minimum required then do you really think it will work.

 

/me bets the devs are all loving this thread.

[MTFDarkEagle]

and I believe it is just buggy

sometimes it works perfectly - other times not

 

No its not, you are just buggy, you need to learn how the systems work.

 

turn to target - sometimes just does nothing

 

Then your doing something wrong.

 

something isn't right - if you say these forums are full of people complaining about these problems ... that backs up what I am saying

Yep, something isn't right: you. Learn the systems before you start taking them down here after you have turned off simple gamemode for one/two day(s)!! Dude! What are you thinking? It's a study sim! This isn't GTASA with forward/back/left/right/higher/lower/shoot options!? Again, what are you thinking?

[GGTharos]

That's enough peeps. He's trying to get this thing to work; no need to lambast him over and over. He's well on the way of learning the Ka-50.

[slug88]

I so badly want this sim to work properly

 

I set it up at 1024 single full screen

and I get avg 25 fps

 

You must be running on either a very old, or a very ill-maintained system. I'm playing on a rig I bought over 4 years ago:

 

Core 2 Duo E6750 @ 3.2GhZ

4GB DDR800

Nvidia 8800GTS 320mb

Windows 7 64bit

 

I play with most settings on high (shadows - all planar, water - normal, view distance - medium), 1680x1050 resolution, and I generally get 40-60FPS. In very densely populated missions, especially in urban areas, my FPS will sometimes dip into the low 20's.

 

and I run a whole set of tests on autohover etc.

and I believe it is just buggy

 

I strongly believe that you're wrong. I've been spending about 5-15hrs a week on this sim for the past 2 months (and have been playing it on and off since it's English release in '08 ), and there has not been a single moment were I've found the autohover to be working incorrectly. Ask anyone else with some experience in this game, and I bet you they'll corroborate my experience.

 

sometimes it works perfectly - other times not

sometimes you are floating away from the hover point with the smallest hud velocity vector you ever saw and ... it ... just ... keeps floating away

other times you can knock it off center and it pulls right back

sometimes you activate it at 30 kph and it pulls right back to the point

other times you activate at 0 kph and never makes it

turn to target - sometimes just does nothing

what I am finding is that if I just waggle the controls or fly somewhere else

it starts to work again

it isn't a trimmed-to-the-edge-of-20-percent issue as I can see the trim point in the red box - and it is fine

 

Post some another track showing any one of these issues, and I guarantee that we will find the cause to be pilot error. After all, in your last track you were seen to be manipulating the throttle in flight, rather than the collective. Frankly that's a very novice mistake, and it's unlikely that in such a short time you could've gotten from that point to the sufficient mastery of the AP system that is necessary to discover bugs in its implementation.

 

something isn't right - if you say these forums are full of people complaining about these problems ... that backs up what I am saying

 

You misinterpreted that poster's meaning. These forums are indeed full of people asking (not complaining) about difficulties and perceived problems in the sim, and in the vast majority of cases the issue is ultimately found to be pilot error, rather than bugs the sim.

Edited August 9, 2010 by slug88

[MTFDarkEagle]

In my perspective he's not "really" trying to learn.. I had my frustrations too, as all the others here, but hang through for a couple of weeks, and your there, but this is just trolling and flaming at the sim because he expects to be able to master it in a day or two..

 

This is my perspective...

Edited August 9, 2010 by MTFDarkEagle
typo

[Luse]

And..

 

 

Go.