If you mastered DCS A-10C, could you hop into the real thing, run it up, and fly it?

[Bucic]

I don't know if someone has posted this article before

 

Flight Sim to Flight Line

http://www.simhq.com/_air13/air_451a.html

[Succellus]

As i always say.. Necessity is the mother of all actions.

I don tneed a full simpit with hud, but a front panel with some nav instrument, like MFD/MFCD, ILS, artificial horizont, atac, those stuff that help you land, and maybe a RWR i would be awesomely happy.

 

I would take the challenge:), but without being able to assign correct axis, trim, and record button which i have no idea which it is or will be in any sim, i m rulled out. :(

 

So allow axis configuration (Not the curve, if you wish it so bad) and tell me what record button i have to use, and i m all in to make you all laught until you piss yourselves on!!!:D

 

If you are able to laught of yourself, you ll never be sad !!!!

Life ain t serious, if it was, you ll be earning money just because you were born...

 

Hey a question, will the chute be square or round ? If square will we be able to pilot it ? :D Blue sky, Yellow beer!!!!

[159th_Viper]

 

I would take the challenge:), but without being able to assign correct axis, trim, and record button which i have no idea which it is or will be in any sim, i m rulled out. :(

 

So allow axis configuration (Not the curve, if you wish it so bad) and tell me what record button i have to use....

 

No worries - you can trim/change axis. All I was trying to convey is that the default configuration on your maiden flight is advisable. Who knows - you might not want to change anything once you get a 'feel' for the aircraft. As with the default config being most appropriate for the T-Toad, hence the same might find applicability with the Hog.

 

As for record, pretty much the same (unless things change in the interim) as FC2. Once any flight is finished, you are prompted to 'save track'.

 

 

Before the threat of 'Overthinking' overtakes us all, the moment one must attempt to capture is that first 'touch' of your Christmas present you always wanted: You rip the box apart and give it a whirl........only later do you ponder the manual and instructions that came with it. Same with the Hog: Install, fire up the editor, Ramp-Start and take-off, fly a lazy circle around the airbase and land.

 

Once you've put her down with your hair on fire, adrenalin coursing through your veins with your heart hammering at 1000 beats per minute, wondering wtf went so spectacularly wrong, only then is it time to step back and have a long, hard look at the manual and start doing it right: Until then, spoil yourself with that first flight........After all - it only happens once.

 

And this way you'll have a track for posterity :D

[Bucic]

Hey, 159th_Viper, I know the release is not this month (r i g h t ?! :devil_2: ) but in order to be able to do some flying in my mind I need some payload specifications anyway :D

[Succellus]

My first flight in BS wasn t spectacular and i knew what went wrong... me!!!

Having a non FF joy i stil struggle...

Studiyng and working dont let me do much.

But i m sure for the hog its gonna be another history.

[Ninefingers]

Before the threat of 'Overthinking' overtakes us all, the moment one must attempt to capture is that first 'touch' of your Christmas present you always wanted: You rip the box apart and give it a whirl........only later do you ponder the manual and instructions that came with it. Same with the Hog: Install, fire up the editor, Ramp-Start and take-off, fly a lazy circle around the airbase and land.

 

Once you've put her down with your hair on fire, adrenalin coursing through your veins with your heart hammering at 1000 beats per minute, wondering wtf went so spectacularly wrong, only then is it time to step back and have a long, hard look at the manual and start doing it right: Until then, spoil yourself with that first flight........After all - it only happens once.

 

And this way you'll have a track for posterity :D

 

Nice and wise words... :clap_2:

[Scabbers]

I don't know about you but I am willing to be a case of alternative beverages that i put her down in one piece first flight.

[Deadman]

Your a can of beer? your willing to be a case of alternative beverages?:megalol:

[Scabbers]

would adult beverages make you happier? Jackalope :p

[Bucic]

OK, what about the startup procedure? Do I have to memorize it or do you allow participants to use e.g. a producer's note played on a cell phone or whatever? Re the payload - I get it that the selection is up to us, right?

[Scabbers]

I would like to see them introduce preflight sheets such as the airforce uses for the start up (kneeboards). with the routine not the key commands. Then you can just learn to go through the start up. and not L(win)+Home as in blackshark

[Deadman]

+1

[power5]

As long as I can figure out if my axis are mapped correctly. Or if you can let us know if a g940 will be mapped correctly when it identifies the game and the game identifies the joystick. I will gladly show off my wonderful maiden voyage. Just like with BS, first thing I did was fire up quick start and fly, errrrr, thrash about all over the sky till I destroyed my rotors and plummeted to the ground.

[CAT_101st]

I never L(WIN)+HOME in BS. If you fly enough you will rember it after a wile. It just take a few hundred startups ;)

[Avilator]

I never L(WIN)+HOME in BS. If you fly enough you will rember it after a wile. It just take a few hundred startups ;)

 

Same here:thumbup:

[26-J39]

Before the threat of 'Overthinking' overtakes us all, the moment one must attempt to capture is that first 'touch' of your Christmas present you always wanted: You rip the box apart and give it a whirl........only later do you ponder the manual and instructions that came with it. Same with the Hog: Install, fire up the editor, Ramp-Start and take-off, fly a lazy circle around the airbase and land.

 

Once you've put her down with your hair on fire, adrenalin coursing through your veins with your heart hammering at 1000 beats per minute, wondering wtf went so spectacularly wrong, only then is it time to step back and have a long, hard look at the manual and start doing it right: Until then, spoil yourself with that first flight........After all - it only happens once.

 

And this way you'll have a track for posterity :D

 

Sounds like a good challenge. :D Count me in whether it be glory or simply FAIL.. :P

[KungFuCharlie]

If you read lots of books on kung fu and know them inside and out, would that make you a kung fu master? No.

 

There is more to flying than pushing buttons. I can make a perfect landing in FSX and X-Plane in a Cirrus SR-22 but when I got into the real thing during my flight training it was as if I had never flown before in my life.

[Krunkskimo]

If i had all the gear on, an a-10 already running (or one that has a windows and home key installed in it just for me), and a quick crash course on ejection procedures, i would be obligated to try.

[kingneptune117]

wow this thread became huge.

 

If I had a fully read to fly A-10C waiting for me, i bet i could take i could taxi it to the runway, fly it a bit, and land it. I of course couldnt employ any weapons, but i could probably just fly it. I would just be very careful. I would take off at a normal than higher speed, as well as land at a higher than normal speed to ensure that the risk of a stall is eliminated.

[Avilator]

wow this thread became huge.

 

If I had a fully read to fly A-10C waiting for me, i bet i could take i could taxi it to the runway, fly it a bit, and land it. I of course couldnt employ any weapons, but i could probably just fly it. I would just be very careful. I would take off at a normal than higher speed, as well as land at a higher than normal speed to ensure that the risk of a stall is eliminated.

 

Well, using higher than normal speeds can get you in trouble as well. I would say to bring it up to a safe altitude and see exactly what seed the max performance tone comes on. Also, when the gear is down, the AoA indexer comes on, and you can just use that to fly the approach right on target.

[GGTharos]

Landing at higher speed actually will put you at a higher risk of stall since you're likely to baloon the approach, following by panic induced PIO and stall ;)

 

Do NOT 'do it this way because I think it is safer'. Do it the RIGHT way. It is safer. ;)

[Avilator]

Landing at higher speed actually will put you at a higher risk of stall since you're likely to baloon the approach, following by panic induced PIO and stall ;)

 

Do NOT 'do it this way because I think it is safer'. Do it the RIGHT way. It is safer. ;)

 

100% percent agreed

If you go too fast, you'll end up like this guy:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lyosJvU_ec

[Frederf]

Yes

 

3 modes: PATH, ALT/HDG and ALT

So path hold and attitude hold are one in the same? Is GG or Viper correct?

 

The Oxford comma saves lives! I never get why people do lists "A, B, C and D" when they could do "A, B, C, and D."

 

Anyway, this question always comes up on flight sim forums and always gets confused by everyone involved. Most because "can fly" is not really well defined and secondly because the specification "really accomplished simmer" is mentally substituted for "typical/new simmer." The result is usually very negative.

 

You have to ask specifically what the theoretical task is. Can the theoretical simmer be excepted to fly a VFR local lap in good weather? Are you going to require all local procedures/ATC comms exactly? Is this person going to be just as proficient and capable of handling all systems and emergencies as the AF pilot? Answer changes a lot based on your criteria.

 

I'm with whoever called BS on flying is hard. Flying is easy, flying very well is hard. Most people with a high school diploma and a decent attitude can be taught how to fly (and just fly) say a C172 from scratch in a few hours to something like 80% confidence. It's all the ATC procedures, emergency actions, rules and regs, navigation, and performance optimizations that take all the learning time.

 

Cut out any weird weather, legal issues, other traffic, etc. and place a master DCS A-10 simmer on the ground with an A-10 ready to go:

1. Starting the thing sounds difficult so it's a coin flip whether the engines are started properly. The sim probably doesn't handle starting in the fidelity required to really, really learn it. I'm assuming the simmer knows the manual inside and out for the start procedure, including the steps that don't really apply in the sim.

 

2. Taxi shouldn't be too bad. We're talking not your average DCS noob, this guy has mastered it. He's not going to taxi over the recommended speed. He knows the nose wheel is offset. Taxiing an airplane is only hard if you're cocky or in a hurry.

 

3. Takeoff shouldn't be a problem. The master simmer is aware of PIO tendencies and is equipped to deal with it. Takeoffs are pretty easy as long as you rotate the proper rate to the proper initial pitch. Tracking the runway center is easy if you have the right attitude. It's really tempting (in real life, as if my exp) to get complacent and not have the discipline to keep the line going exactly down the center of the cockpit. But this is a master of the sim and thus has that discipline.

 

4. Master simmer knows the Vref for his weight and will set himself up far enough out for a comfy 10nm final on GS. Approach can be tricky in an unresponsive turbojet so this might not be the most stable approach.

[Succellus]

The Oxford comma saves lives! I never get why people do lists "A, B, C and D" when they could do "A, B, C, and D."

 

Anyway, this question always comes up on flight sim forums and always gets confused by everyone involved. Most because "can fly" is not really well defined and secondly because the specification "really accomplished simmer" is mentally substituted for "typical/new simmer." The result is usually very negative.

 

You have to ask specifically what the theoretical task is. Can the theoretical simmer be excepted to fly a VFR local lap in good weather? Are you going to require all local procedures/ATC comms exactly? Is this person going to be just as proficient and capable of handling all systems and emergencies as the AF pilot? Answer changes a lot based on your criteria.

 

I'm with whoever called BS on flying is hard. Flying is easy, flying very well is hard. Most people with a high school diploma and a decent attitude can be taught how to fly (and just fly) say a C172 from scratch in a few hours to something like 80% confidence. It's all the ATC procedures, emergency actions, rules and regs, navigation, and performance optimizations that take all the learning time.

 

Cut out any weird weather, legal issues, other traffic, etc. and place a master DCS A-10 simmer on the ground with an A-10 ready to go:

1. Starting the thing sounds difficult so it's a coin flip whether the engines are started properly. The sim probably doesn't handle starting in the fidelity required to really, really learn it. I'm assuming the simmer knows the manual inside and out for the start procedure, including the steps that don't really apply in the sim.

 

2. Taxi shouldn't be too bad. We're talking not your average DCS noob, this guy has mastered it. He's not going to taxi over the recommended speed. He knows the nose wheel is offset. Taxiing an airplane is only hard if you're cocky or in a hurry.

 

3. Takeoff shouldn't be a problem. The master simmer is aware of PIO tendencies and is equipped to deal with it. Takeoffs are pretty easy as long as you rotate the proper rate to the proper initial pitch. Tracking the runway center is easy if you have the right attitude. It's really tempting (in real life, as if my exp) to get complacent and not have the discipline to keep the line going exactly down the center of the cockpit. But this is a master of the sim and thus has that discipline.

 

4. Master simmer knows the Vref for his weight and will set himself up far enough out for a comfy 10nm final on GS. Approach can be tricky in an unresponsive turbojet so this might not be the most stable approach.

 

Amen

[Cornbread]

The Oxford comma saves lives! I never get why people do lists "A, B, C and D" when they could do "A, B, C, and D."

 

Lolsies. Copy editor by trade, so I couldn't agree more. Though we call it the serial comma in the U.S. :smartass: