Project 10 - DCS: A-10C Warthog Promo!

[Sharkster64]

Outstanding work on that video. Very entertaining to watch for the fifth time now. Definitely your best work. Rep up +1

[71st_Mastiff]

In two weeks time.

:D

 

another month or 2. in my estimation. more then likely Christmas time this year.

[S3NTRY11]

Simply awesome.

[DRAKO]

Super toll!

Thanks

[Glowing_Amraam]

Project 50? Do you mentioned Project 50 (Ka-50? T-50!?) somewhere or I have experienced some kind of false memories?

 

Project 50 is really old, but you can find it on my youtube channel if you somehow missed it. :)

[MTFDarkEagle]

Note: project 50 is also known as "edge".

[Yellonet]

TBH I find the training videos to be more entertaining than GA's videos.

I prefer the information and ability to study the sim over Hollywood-esque type videos. I guess I've had my fill of rapid cutting, dramatic intensifying music and loads of explosions.

 

I've no doubt that GA is a talented editor but I wish he'd try making a different kind of video as promotion for the sim, as for this video there's no way for the viewer to discern any more about the game than that it sports an A-10C. Is it a simulation for PC or is it an arcade type flight game for a home console?

 

I think a good video should tell a story, for instance one could use a single realistic mission, obviously it needs to be compressed so that you see the key parts while still showing off lots of the selling points of the game.

[sobek]

I think a good video should tell a story, for instance one could use a single realistic mission, obviously it needs to be compressed so that you see the key parts while still showing off lots of the selling points of the game.

 

That's where the training videos/producer's notes (sadly not available this time) come in. The movie by GA is supposed to be what it is, an action filled PR sort of thing (brilliantly executed, IMHO). The depth of the simulation is documented elsewhere.

Edited September 21, 2010 by sobek

[Glowing_Amraam]

Well, i downloaded the video and watched it soundless, and i have to say...

There many things that make me go hummmm...

 

The first and foremost is the annoying camera shaking every where andeverytime.

The camera man ain t supposed to be jerking off when recording.

Should be used with extreme parcimony, A Humvee should not shake the camera when passing, its unlikely, but it would be plausible with a tank.

 

Overuse of clichés...

External views?.. Who cares, we want to have impressions in cockpit...and DCS A10 promises so much in this aspect.

Two planes, one goes straight, the other break left or right... ARGHT!!!! In 99% of any promote movie theres this kind of scene, again and again and again.. Enought!!!

The car passing over the camera, not so used, in EDGE it was cristal clear, my jaw dropped on the amout of details, but this time it is a little too dark, so you can t see the details... a humvee again ? Meh, a BMP3, anyother ground unit would have been awesome...

Plane taxiing, taking off etc...no matter what, it doesnt change much so it doesn t add much...a scene catching of a hasty spool up, with ATC comunications... followed by a turn on the end of the tarmac, that would transmit something...

A landing also, especially if damaged, and in cockpit view with a pass over the warning display lit up, the landing or even if crashing!!!! I don t know whats the heck with so much taking off in movies when landing require so much more skills...

 

Weapon follow up to the hit, one per movie is enought at most 2... we know the end of the history... unless DCS a10 got many diferent smokes, fire behaviors, it is repetitive and doesn t speak good of the game.

 

Ok gonna try to answer this as best as possible...

First of all, you watched this movie *without* sound, and that takes away pretty much EVERYTHING i wanted to achieve with this video, delivering a dramatic, action filled trailer, by using a mix of realistic sounds and sounds from in-game.

 

About shaky cams; Have you seen youtube footage where the camera is pretty much in the middle of the action? Like war footage, aerial combat, people filming close to explosions and high tensions etc... Is the camera just staring at something and not moving? Nope, it does in fact create a lot of movement.

Oh, and do they do this in movies/trailers for action scenes? Yes they do.

 

Another reason for the "dynamic" movement of the camera, is because i am making a movie using a PC GAME (or sim in this case), and it looks utterly crap, IMO, if the camera is dead locked in space and time, does *not* give the immersion factor that i am aiming for.

 

Over the top in some cases, maybe, but clearly this has helped my movie rise above the others. :)

 

And external views overused? Really? Seen any A-10C shows? I hardly think using lots of external views is "cliché".

Besides, if you want a movie where all you see is Cockpit footage, this trailer wouldnt have appealed to the bigger audience out there.

I know i cant please everyone, but please dont forget the goal of this promo. It's not just for people on this forum or in the sim world.

 

You clearly missed the point of the start of the movie, by showing the A-10s powering up and taking off. It's to sort of "build tension". Even though its a trailer, by having lots of random shots, i still tried to at least have some "build up". :)

 

Still appreciate comments though. You just have realize the bigger picture and purpose of this trailer.

I'm basically using a formula that has proven quite effective over the years, by comparing real life clips of the A-10c, with what we see in huge blockbuster movies, and how most movie trailers are built up.

 

Cheers :)

[Glowing_Amraam]

Note: project 50 is also known as "edge".

 

How can it be, when they are 2 different movies?

[Glowing_Amraam]

TBH I find the training videos to be more entertaining than GA's videos.

I prefer the information and ability to study the sim over Hollywood-esque type videos. I guess I've had my fill of rapid cutting, dramatic intensifying music and loads of explosions.

 

I've no doubt that GA is a talented editor but I wish he'd try making a different kind of video as promotion for the sim, as for this video there's no way for the viewer to discern any more about the game than that it sports an A-10C. Is it a simulation for PC or is it an arcade type flight game for a home console?

 

I think a good video should tell a story, for instance one could use a single realistic mission, obviously it needs to be compressed so that you see the key parts while still showing off lots of the selling points of the game.

 

Again, see the bigger picture behind the trailer, and you will understand. Better yet, look around at how other companies are marketing their games/sims etc. Trailers like the one i made really grabs the viewers attention (or that is what i wanted anyway) so the viewer will get curious about what this sim is all about. Then go and read and look at other clips etc of the sim.

 

If we went the way as you wanted it, by only showing "realistic training sessions" over and over, and some very simple overview movies of this sim, do you really think that a mass audience would be *that* interested? If they're already into sims, sure, but what about the other half? Think about it :)

[Eddie]

The screen grabs look great and judging by the comments you've outdone yourself GA. Sadly I can't watch the video out here in the GAFA but I'll be on the top of my to do list when I'm home on R&R that's for sure.

[159th_Viper]

Note: project 50 is also known as "edge".

 

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[AlphaOneSix]

Sadly I can't watch the video out here in the GAFA but I'll be on the top of my to do list when I'm home on R&R that's for sure.

 

I was able to download it at an off-peak time in about 2 or 3 hours. Just set it to download and walked away, but perhaps you're in a location where the Internet connection is even worse than bad. I've been to a few of those places, I think I like it where I am now, thank you very much. ;)

[REL]

A-m-a-z-i-n-g !!!

 

Glowing Amraam - you are a very talented guy !

[Eddie]

I was able to download it at an off-peak time in about 2 or 3 hours. Just set it to download and walked away, but perhaps you're in a location where the Internet connection is even worse than bad. I've been to a few of those places, I think I like it where I am now, thank you very much. ;)

 

 

We only get around 30 mins of wifi access per day unfortunately, sometimes longer but it all depends how many people are using it, once your 30 mins is up you get booted off if other people need to connect. And even when connected, with the speed we get, 30 mins is just about long enough for Facebook and a few emails home.

 

Furtunately I can get on here via the work machines.

[comie1]

Ive just read a few criticisms and find them a little lost..

Don't know if its just me but in my head there was a mission going on, simply because the (PROMO!) builds up form a few aftermath type scenes giving you the impression somethings just happened, to jets starting up, flying ingress, and then all out action which ends with you just wanting more! :)

And this is intentional, GA makes your imagination take over he doesn't dictate the story.and in my opinion that works really well.

I highlighted the word promo because thats what it is, not a tutorial or a producers note. Basically made for your entertainment and to build excitement for the sim, which clearly it does going on feedback. Its not going to show you everything in the sim... Take off and landing can wait, he did a great job at showing what's to be expected in an exciting visually beautiful way and think he deserves more praise than criticism, Without kissing his ass ha

[Yellonet]

Again, see the bigger picture behind the trailer, and you will understand. Better yet, look around at how other companies are marketing their games/sims etc.

 

Trailers like the one i made really grabs the viewers attention (or that is what i wanted anyway) so the viewer will get curious about what this sim is all about. Then go and read and look at other clips etc of the sim.

Don't get me wrong, it's an excellent video, perhaps not really my taste, but there's plenty of people that love it.

 

Anyway, I understand why the video is made this way.

But as you point out, other companies are also using the same technique, so basically what's happening is that instead of accentuating the key features of the simulation, DCS:A-10C is reduced to just another action game in the pile.

What's the unique "hook" for DCS when there's plenty of other games with similar promotion videos?

 

If we went the way as you wanted it, by only showing "realistic training sessions" over and over, and some very simple overview movies of this sim, do you really think that a mass audience would be *that* interested? If they're already into sims, sure, but what about the other half? Think about it :)

Maybe I was a bit vague but I don't want training videos for promotional use, what I meant was that a promotional video should contain highlights of key features of the game/simulation so that it stands out from other games.

 

I'm no marketing person, but it seems to me that there needs to be something unique to attract a potential customer, otherwise it's just random chance if the customer chooses DCS over some other game.

 

Perhaps I'm alone in this, but what I would see as a great promotional video would as I said before be a compressed mission, which emphasizes the experience of actually playing the sim and that shows off selling key points of the product, flight model, weapons, 3D models and so on. There could and should of course be action and cool fly-by's and more, but, with a main theme.

Edited September 21, 2010 by Yellonet

[nomdeplume]

Perhaps I'm alone in this, but what I would see as a great promotional video would as I said before a compressed mission, which emphasizes the experience of actually playing the sim and that shows off selling key points of the product, flight model, weapons, 3D models and so on.

 

I think it shows off the 3D models fairly well. ;)

 

You're looking at it from the perspective of a flight sim enthusiast who finds things like mission planning and flight models interesting, even exciting. But this trailer I think is aimed at a much wider, more general audience. Many of those people would find that kind of thing dull. That is, if they see a video showing how detailed the sim is, they'll roll their eyes and go on to something else. Too educational!

 

But you show them explosions and cool flight scenes and a combined arms force mobilising for battle, that's exciting. Then people might look into it more and hopefully be coming to it with a positive frame of mind.

 

You and I, we're already coming to it with a positive frame of mind. We're not really the target audience, as they've already sold us the game. The producer's notes and training videos are for us. This is for people who don't know what a DCS is and why they might want one. It's aim is to entice further examination without revealing anything that might put people off before they've had a chance to acclimatise themselves to the idea of playing a flight simulator.

[Cdr.Instigator]

Cato, can't wait to see the promo. I totally forgot to check on your new movie after work yesterday and nOw I'm here back at work and blocked from watching youtube. I am sure it will be as every one has said.. A Master Piece.. Has anyone uploaded it to Vimeo? That's one site I'm not blocked from.. PLEASE!!! please...

 

Could some one upload it to Vimeo?

[Glowing_Amraam]

Perhaps I'm alone in this, but what I would see as a great promotional video would as I said before be a compressed mission, which emphasizes the experience of actually playing the sim and that shows off selling key points of the product, flight model, weapons, 3D models and so on. There could and should of course be action and cool fly-by's and more, but, with a main theme.

 

Just a general question for you, how do you know that i (or someone else for that matter) wont make a more detailed, more refined promotional video for DCS: A-10C Warthog? :)

 

I did this for Black Shark remember. Going over the sim in detail on what to expect.

 

But a story based promo video does indeed sound kinda interesting to pull off, and as the movie goes along, describes different aspects of the sim.

In due time... :)

[Glowing_Amraam]

But as you point out, other companies are also using the same technique, so basically what's happening is that instead of accentuating the key features of the simulation, DCS:A-10C is reduced to just another action game in the pile.

What's the unique "hook" for DCS when there's plenty of other games with similar promotion videos?

 

Oh and this, you sorta just answered your own question here. If indeed "similiar" promos are on the market, etc, and they are in fact drawing huge costumer numbers and so on, this is exactly why the promo is the way it is today. It's a formula that works! :)

[Xjikz]

This video is just great, but it's hard to find where are the "after effects" and the effects added due to DirectX 9 and evolution of the game engine...

 

Will wait for another video that shows exactly the game as it is for real, or close to what it will be.

[Glowing_Amraam]

This video is just great, but it's hard to find where are the "after effects" and the effects added due to DirectX 9 and evolution of the game engine...

 

Will wait for another video that shows exactly the game as it is for real, or close to what it will be.

 

There are no visual FX added. Only color and contrast adjustments. Well, i did add some Heat haze over the runway in the shot with the 2 F-15's taking off. But that's it basically :)

[Yellonet]

But a story based promo video does indeed sound kinda interesting to pull off, and as the movie goes along, describes different aspects of the sim.

In due time... :)

That's all I'm asking for :smilewink: