Flaming Cliffs 3

[Viper101]

After the official announcement from Wag (here), I think everybody should stop saying "when" FC3 is released and change the when to "if" because it is really annoying and it's only causing more of a rumor...

 

Also, IF a Flaming Cliffs 3 would come out, instead of choosing to "patch" any game to A-10C, why not skip the A-10 compatibility and choose to include compatibilty in an FC3 for the next DCS module, seeing as when the next DCS module is released, A-10C will receive a compatibility patch to that, as well as BS. To me that would seem like the smart thing for ED to do.

[HiJack]

The odd thing here is why is it so difficult to make FC compatible with DCS A-10C in MP?

Well I would not know what must be done to integrate with DCS series but I think it is maby more of a "we must let FC2 die" thinking. That may have something to do with who has the licensing of Flaming Cliffs ;)

[combatace]

Cool guys, you won't be seeing FC3 for around a year so chill..

[manfrez01]

Cool guys, you won't be seeing FC3 for around a year so chill..

Shut up:poster_ban:

 

 

Make it FC3 in two month :D

 

I keepdream...

Edited May 26, 2011 by manfrez01

[Pilotasso]

shut up. Its 2 weeks! :v:

[combatace]

Shut up:poster_ban:

 

 

Make it FC3 in two month :D

 

I keepdream...

 

You were able get large grim here, thanks.

[Rikus]

FC3 LOL

 

We pay for FC2 just for a few things, and now, again pay for another update?

 

No thanks, silly one time, no more

 

Greetings

[Cali]

FC3 LOL

 

We pay for FC2 just for a few things, and now, again pay for another update?

 

No thanks, silly one time, no more

 

Greetings

 

Well, you don't have to pay for it then, but myself and many others would......with a smile.

[Grimes]

Nope: these are Nintendo Hard sims

 

Jeez, whats up with people not using the correct terminology these days. :music_whistling:

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/NintendoHard/SimulationGames

[Gupyzer0]

FC3 LOL

 

We pay for FC2 just for a few things, and now, again pay for another update?

 

No thanks, silly one time, no more

 

Greetings

yeah ... i think the same ... they need to upgrade it, add at least 2 new flyable airplanes and done ...

[GGTharos]

.. or they can leave it as is. An upgrade to the standard set by the new DCS module requires work. Work is something that ought to be paid for.

 

Either way, as Wags said, no decisions have been made.

[Steel Jaw]

Well, you don't have to pay for it then, but myself and many others would......with a smile.

 

What else would you pay for with a smile?

 

//runs away.

 

:megalol:

[Gupyzer0]

.. or they can leave it as is. An upgrade to the standard set by the new DCS module requires work. Work is something that ought to be paid for.

 

Either way, as Wags said, no decisions have been made.

 

But i - a FC flyer - dont win anything with this , get it ? + if this is goin to use the same DCS A-10 engine i gonna need to buy new PC ... bad luck for me, its easy in dollars/euros land but not in bolivares land when everything is overpriced ... except the gasoline :D

 

give us a SU-27SM / F-15E :D :D :D

[aaron886]

i gonna need to buy new PC

 

False. I have a relatively old computer and it runs A-10C just fine.

[Gupyzer0]

False. I have a relatively old computer and it runs A-10C just fine.

it deppends on what is old for oyu, i run FC everything on minimun but textures and visibility range and use a lot of fps tweaks ...

[KillarZ]

False. I have a relatively old computer and it runs A-10C just fine.

Yea Beaker what computer do you have and what tweaks do you use?

[jpm1]

You know I will buy FC3. I did KA-50 and I dont think I flew the shark more than half dozen times... :)

 

i can't rep you . it's cool

 

Sounds good but it will not sell if its just the same aircraft network compatible with DCS A-10C, such a patch should be free. If they make an FC3 then it must have something more worthwhile in order to sell my advice is an addon aircraft to add to FC2s aircraft. Evolve the sim like iL2, expand the addons and also release an SDK. After DCS-10C perhaps they should focus on a western fighter for DCS even if its just an F-16 at least keep the ball rolling with something good. :thumbup:

A better dircection might be:

 

1/ F-16 DCS addon or F/A-18

2/ SDK

3/ Mig29K/Mig29C

4/ Global Map

 

I don't understand why they state it takes 3 years to make an advanced flight model for an addon considering the existing aircraft A-10C/KA50 and SU25T would give them a template to build future FMs?

 

definitly agree with #4

 

Thats right the best approach is like il2 make addons acumulative and the sim evolve with future patches. An FC3 must have value for money so a patch for FC2 to make it MP compatible is something that should be free. FC3 should be something that is adding more aircraft to the sim. Being FC level detail anything without a gun or radar such as slow movers are a possibility. transport helicopters that are unarmed or only carry unguided missiles. Another one is tanks/ships and an SDK although technically an SDK has the potential to earn ED more money in the long term if they make mods as easy as FSX for payware. Same approach and payware companys would no doubt consider it.(eg VRS:music_whistling: )

 

Ideas for fast cheap Flaming Cliffs addons:

Ships pack

Tanks pack

Transport choppers

Heavy Transport aircraft

 

Ideas for DCS/FC addon pack:

 

Global map

Terrain detail for theatres

 

could be a good move too . instead of releasing a payware super patch . you release downloadable content like for the game just cause for exemple . you buy the game then you can download the super cool overcraft for 0.99E

 

i stopped at page 6 , but whatever you do ED please correct the frog nose damage

[EtherealN]

While keeping in mind the proviso that there is no decision made yet on the topic of an FC3...

 

But i - a FC flyer - dont win anything with this , get it ?

 

Yup, you gain nothing, because...

 

• Larger Map
  
• Integrated MSAA
  
• Integrated TSSAA
  
• HDR
  
• More AI units
  
• Updated models and textures
  
• New effects
  
• Compatibility online
  

 

...are all nothing.

Now, of course, I don't know how exactly it would be done, but my suspicion is that it would be done the FC2 way which (if I have understood it right, I wasn't involved) was a porting of the old FM's and cockpits into the latest TFCSE. If this is the case, the things in the list would happen automatically. (Though nothing is ever automatic in software, there'll still be hilariously improbable bugs caused by things that should be impossible. :P ) And they are not "nothing" by any stretch of the imagination.

 

+ if this is goin to use the same DCS A-10 engine i gonna need to buy new PC ... bad luck for me, its easy in dollars/euros land but not in bolivares land when everything is overpriced ... except the gasoline :D

 

Well, that is indeed a "bad luck for you" thing - it is impossible to support old hardware indefinitely. If you want help designing a cheap replacement at some point then you'll find a lot of helpful people in the Hardware section, though. :)

 

And you should see the gasoline prices over here... :P (2,14 dollars US per liter.) Everything else is overpriced too though, thanks to 25% sales tax. :D

[aaron886]

Yea Beaker what computer do you have and what tweaks do you use?

 

E6850 Core 2 Duo @ 3.15GHz, 6GB DDR2-800MHz, 8800GTX SC (728Mb,) WD CB 500GB (7200RPM)

 

It chugs along with a very modified graphics.cfg/options.lua. I use Birdy's old SCN mod to reduce some scenery objects as well, which really run down my CPU. (Doesn't really help that much though... helps more just to clip them way up with the graphics.cfg.) I can have more trees/objects in A-10C with less of a hit. The only thing about A-10C that slows me down is looking at multiple other A-10's, and that's much better than it was in Beta. On the whole, it's very similar if not better in performance when compared to FC2.

[Gupyzer0]

@EtherealN

 

what is

 

Integrated MSAA

Integrated TSSAA

HDR

 

or... can anyone reply me ?

[aaron886]

Google can!

 

http://www.google.com

[Boberro]

FC3 LOL

 

We pay for FC2 just for a few things, and now, again pay for another update?

 

No thanks, silly one time, no more

 

Greetings

 

Yes we could pay for work. Nobody is forced to buy if don't like it ;]

 

yeah ... i think the same ... they need to upgrade it, add at least 2 new flyable airplanes and done ...

 

What a point adding new simpler flyables to LO if main goal is the DCS serie? LO is just "hole fill" untill DCS planes.

 

But i - a FC flyer - dont win anything with this , get it ? + if this is goin to use the same DCS A-10 engine i gonna need to buy new PC ... bad luck for me, its easy in dollars/euros land but not in bolivares land when everything is overpriced ... except the gasoline :D

 

give us a SU-27SM / F-15E :D :D :D

 

This is painful reality as well. Nothing anyone can do.

[Gupyzer0]

@EtherealN

 

what is

 

Integrated MSAA

Integrated TSSAA

HDR

 

or... can anyone reply me ?

 

googled and maintain my opinion ... this is an update, should be called Flaming Cliffs 2.1 or something like that ...

 

New models that i cant fly (obviusly ppl want then, u see the screenshots forum ? there is like a thousand pics of the strike eagle there ...).

 

come on ED you know what ppl want !

 

All this remnbers me of this ...

 

Edited May 27, 2011 by Gupyzer0

[ZaltysZ]

Just finished reading half of that Russian thread. Basically FC3 is LockOn planes in DCS: A10 world (as far as possible, i.e. no complex radio comms) and nothing more. Maybe few bugfixes here and there, and that is it, because devs don't have enough resources for something more.

 

FC1 -> FC2 was attractive even after price went up, but unfortunately I think FC2 -> FC3 won't look so reasonable if the price will be the same.

[EtherealN]

All this remnbers me of this ...

 

ED knows what people want. But ED is in the unfortunate position of being part of "reality", and thus they need to operate within the rules of this "reality" - one of the rules is that things cost money, and sometimes you have to make the choice between doing nothing and doing it but charging money for it. It sure is nice for us customers to get things for free, but the time spent making those things cost money - both in salaries for staff but also in lost revenues since said staff could have been working on other projects.

 

If ED were to do an FC3 for free (and remember: there is no decision yet), they're not ONLY giving us the development time for free, they are also "giving" us the lost revenue.

 

Speaking as someone that often does work on the financial end of the family business, I can tell you that costs can run away a lot faster than it might seem.

 

And please don't go with that air of entitlement regarding an "FC2.1". None of us are entitled to an FC2.1. ED are free to decide to make one, of course - that's their choice. If they then decide to instead do an FC3 and charge for it - that is also their choice. They also have the choice to do neither. Either way they will not have taken anything away from us. We still have the choice of whether to buy FC3 or not. I would. Maybe you wouldn't. Such is life.