Sad breaking news

[Laurius]

Seen this morning on the Reno Gazette Journal

 

http://www.rgj.com/

 

deepest thoughts for the victims

[tflash]

Horrible catastrophy indeed!

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[Pilotasso]

:eek:

 

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[diveplane]

all i can say is terrible ,

 

but one thing mainly stands out, and thats officials overlooked safety for crowds at this airshow,

crowds far to close to the runway , in the event a crash or accident happens,

 

why most air display they inforce no fly zones over crowds and have them, spectators further back from the events runways.

 

imo the crowd injuries and possible deaths could have been prevented , had it been better

planned and organised.

 

video link below "warning may contain graphic images to some people"

 

http://www.rgj.com/article/20110916/EVENTS05/110916045/Video-Reno-Air-Races-crash

Edited September 17, 2011 by diveplane

[lobo]

Look at this article:

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2038452/Reno-Nevada-air-race-crash-3-killed-50-injured-WW2-fighter-plane.html

 

If you scroll about half way down this series of photos in the above article, there is a pic of this plane on the ground prior to take-off. Pilots head is clearly visible. Now look at the pic of plane diving vertically just prior to impact. Pilot head not visible... slumped forward? From these pics I think they will definitely want to look at G-LOC as a possible contributing factor in this tragedy.

[manfrez01]

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[MoGas]

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[Laurius]

Look at this article:

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2038452/Reno-Nevada-air-race-crash-3-killed-50-injured-WW2-fighter-plane.html

 

If you scroll about half way down this series of photos in the above article, there is a pic of this plane on the ground prior to take-off. Pilots head is clearly visible. Now look at the pic of plane diving vertically just prior to impact. Pilot head not visible... slumped forward? From these pics I think they will definitely want to look at G-LOC as a possible contributing factor in this tragedy.

 

The photo where no pilot head is seen is very strange. How can such a picture be made ??? Very clear with no sense of speed ? Anyway this tragic event will raise questions (authorized area of evolution, no flying allowed over spectators area, etc...) that have probably been assessed with previous horrible tragedies(remember of Ramstein Air Show and the Frecce Tricolori in 1988...). Now it seems there is also a debate about the eventual pilot's age implication. I read he was 74 instead of 80 as reported in the above quoted article.

 

Anyway, that's an horrible and sad event since such shows are really meant to entertain people and make or keep them dreaming to fly

[diveplane]

Look at this article:

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2038452/Reno-Nevada-air-race-crash-3-killed-50-injured-WW2-fighter-plane.html

 

If you scroll about half way down this series of photos in the above article, there is a pic of this plane on the ground prior to take-off. Pilots head is clearly visible. Now look at the pic of plane diving vertically just prior to impact. Pilot head not visible... slumped forward? From these pics I think they will definitely want to look at G-LOC as a possible contributing factor in this tragedy.

 

possibly g load blackout, or a heart attack incockpit, imo these old war bird pilots might have minds of 20 year olds still, but the old bodies cant take the forces like they use too, more enforced health checks for pilots needed prior to getting even into a cockpit.

 

way to old to fly fast high g maneuver planes imo. pilot was 74-year-old Jimmy Leeward, enough said. FAA needs to rethink flying safety and age restrictions for flying aircraft types sorry.

Edited September 17, 2011 by diveplane

[lobo]

The photo where no pilot head is seen is very strange. How can such a picture be made ??? Very clear with no sense of speed ?

 

The Associated Press attributes that photo as: (AP photo/Grass Valley Union, Tim O'Brien)

[S77th-konkussion]

awful tragedy...

[mikoyan]

Very sad.

The pictures are weird; why is the pilot not showing; and why is the tail wheel down? Are those pictures real?

[lobo]

Here are a couple pics showing same aircraft with elevator trim tab appearing to be departing the aircraft and one with it gone... One of the shots also shows another angle of the plane with the tail wheel extended.

 

http://static.rcgroups.net/forums/attachments/6/6/3/8/9/t4284343-131-thumb-plane%2Benlarged.jpg?d=1316241290

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-201_162-10009462-2.html?tag=page

[diveplane]

Here are a couple pics showing same aircraft with elevator trim tab appearing to be departing the aircraft and one with it gone... One of the shots also shows another angle of the plane with the tail wheel extended.

 

http://static.rcgroups.net/forums/attachments/6/6/3/8/9/t4284343-131-thumb-plane%2Benlarged.jpg?d=1316241290

 

http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-201_162-10009462-2.html?tag=page

 

picture can tell quite a lot, either failure in the control surfaces, note the elevators rudder are in centre stick position

also ailerons?, or as i stated before a possible pilot g lock or heart attack.

 

even if the trim broke off and pilot had full elevator controls, sure it would still be flyable, break off imo is from high g loads and speeds in some inverted rolling state.

Edited September 17, 2011 by diveplane

[diveplane]

this video aircraft drops from quite a altitude nearing 70 80 degrees nose first, impact was so great it throws the motor across the airfield few hundred feet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ybgd0EfxWCI&feature=related

 

RIP to the people and pilot that died.

[Cali]

Sad indeed, anyone remember this http://www.theblaze.com/stories/f-16s-intercept-75-year-old-womans-plane-during-obamas-chicago-bash-i-was-just-flying-around/

 

Anyone flying a plane can have something happened to them. The only place for it to go is down.

[cichlidfan]

Cali, I am afraid I don't see the connection unless it is the age of the pilots!:huh:

[diveplane]

Cali, I am afraid I don't see the connection unless it is the age of the pilots!:huh:

 

she didnt even know the president was coming to her location? lmao

its a touching subject to some, but imo there has to be stricter laws to govern aircraft and age to fly them.

just like cars imo as well, or any moving or flying machine at the ctrl of.

not fit enough to fly or drive , youll just need to get buses trains. this in turn would create jobs.

less traffic on highways.

 

 

any high performance aircraft and displays mainly, should require more routine doctor medical check ups eye tests hearing and responce tests, but imo should be a age limit on display performance aircraft, that generate high gs on the human body.

 

 

all aircraft imo should be outfitted with data black box recovery, in the event of a crash, this could possibly narrow down the cause. - passenger aircraft as they already have this in place.

Edited September 17, 2011 by diveplane

[Avilator]

My condolences to the families.

 

http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/p51_mustang_galloping_ghost_crash_reno_leeward_205384-1.html

 

http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/Trim_Tab_Missing_Crash_Plane_205385-1.html

 

EDIT: Just found another video.

That pullup+that speed+older pilot=likely G-Loc.

Edited September 17, 2011 by Avilator

[aaron886]

diveplane would you please consider toning down the assumptions you're making? It's pretty rude, seeing as you have no idea what really happened. You're so quick to look for someone to blame in light of a tragedy that has no concrete explanation yet. Very rude.

[Cali]

Cali, I am afraid I don't see the connection unless it is the age of the pilots!:huh:

 

Just the age and that we don't know what happen, could of been a lot of things. At that age, doing stuff like that can cause lots of problems.

 

diveplane would you please consider toning down the assumptions you're making? It's pretty rude, seeing as you have no idea what really happened. You're so quick to look for someone to blame in light of a tragedy that has no concrete explanation yet. Very rude.

 

Well, things like that happens all the time, people getting into accidents because of age. But, it can happen to anyone. Like you said we don't know what happened and we will never know what happened.

[rextar]

It seemed it was aircraft failure not pilot error. Read the news and domt just "assume"

[aaron886]

Don't just assume the news is correct either, seems like they rarely know what they're talking about when the topic is aviation.

 

We could just bear in mind the tragedy that this is, show your respect, and then let it be, instead of everyone trying to be some damn Sherlock Holmes. That's all I'm saying.

[power5]

picture can tell quite a lot, either failure in the control surfaces, note the elevators rudder are in centre stick position

also ailerons?, or as i stated before a possible pilot g lock or heart attack.

 

even if the trim broke off and pilot had full elevator controls, sure it would still be flyable, break off imo is from high g loads and speeds in some inverted rolling state.

 

she didnt even know the president was coming to her location? lmao

its a touching subject to some, but imo there has to be stricter laws to govern aircraft and age to fly them.

just like cars imo as well, or any moving or flying machine at the ctrl of.

not fit enough to fly or drive , youll just need to get buses trains. this in turn would create jobs.

less traffic on highways.

 

 

any high performance aircraft and displays mainly, should require more routine doctor medical check ups eye tests hearing and responce tests, but imo should be a age limit on display performance aircraft, that generate high gs on the human body.

 

 

all aircraft imo should be outfitted with data black box recovery, in the event of a crash, this could possibly narrow down the cause. - passenger aircraft as they already have this in place.

 

I think you should not place blame on the physical condition of the pilot without a crash report.

"There was an incident during the 1998 Reno Air Races in which a trim tab came off a P-51 named Voodoo Chile. In that incident, also mentioned in AVweb's coverage, the aircraft pitched violently up, causing pilot Bob Hannah to black out under a G load estimated at 10 Gs. He regained consciousness at 9,000 feet and was able to land safely."

 

"According to the Aviation Law Monitor "without the trim tab, the aircraft may have been uncontrollable."

 

This seems to be what happened to me. With the photo of the pilot not visible it seems that the tab broke and caused it to pitch up and black him out due to the high G that could have easily blacked out all but a fighter pilot or racing pilot.

[Cali]

It seemed it was aircraft failure not pilot error. Read the news and domt just "assume"

 

You just "assumed" the news was right, do you trust everything in the news? Some things we just don't know what happened or have a clue. We always try to find out what happens to try to prevent it from happening again.

 

Don't just assume the news is correct either, seems like they rarely know what they're talking about when the topic is aviation.

 

We could just bear in mind the tragedy that this is, show your respect, and then let it be, instead of everyone trying to be some damn Sherlock Holmes. That's all I'm saying.

 

The Air Force investigates every crash, but i often wonder how many of these are just a guess of what happened. Lets not argue amongst ourselves, it happened and there is nothing we could of did about it. Let our prayers go out to those that were injured and lost their lives in this tragedy.