BS2 have out, and what happens with FC2?

[Silver_Dragon]

Ok, today BS2 was release to market, update for compability path for connexion to A-10C, but FC2 was no compatible with them. What future plans, if available, to maintain or update de FC serie to standardised of BS2/A-10C or them was dead on the road for new futures modules?.

 

Next DCS have a Fighter, but old Su-25/T/27/33/A-10A/F-15 need a update to maintain on the front line if applicable.

 

FC2 Su-25T can be "easy" for make them, new update clickeable cockpit and weapons systems, other air planes, for example A-10A can benefice for A-10C work, Others models, can be need a more term long time developer.

 

Otherwise, the FC2 engine converter to BS2/A-10C/Nevada/Future Fighter standar can be a nightmare :music_whistling:

Edited November 4, 2011 by Silver_Dragon

[GGM]

WOW! great news!

 

...out to purchase :)

[Pilotasso]

Well with so many people trying to guess what the next module was, its the KA-50 again! LOL

[aaron886]

what is this thread i dont even

[HungaroJET]

what is this thread i dont even

 

Oh, come on Aaron, just B optimistic :thumbup:

So, what happens with FC2 ?

I guess it will turning into FC3 :cheer3nc:

Just be patient, iv got the HOPE already, iv seen some serious "signs" in BS2 :smilewink:

Well, Im trust in E.D. :thumbsup::santa:

[Boberro]

FC3 is on the corner, I feel it :D

[Speed]

Obviously, no one reads my posts. Or perhaps Wags has enacted a filter on my posts so that every time I mention F-15C or Su-27 or FC3, my post becomes invisible to everyone but myself :D

 

In the Black Shark 2 mission editor, F-15C, Su-27, Su-25, A-10A, etc- they can be set as "Client" skill level. Perhaps no one makes a fuss over this when I mention it because they don't understand what that means. What that means is that Flaming Cliffs 3 appears to be a high likelihood. The only imaginable reason they would allow these aircraft to be selected as human flyable would be if they were, at the minimum, strongly considering making them human flyable.

 

Keep in mind, I am in no way have any inside information, and if I did, then it wouldn't be fair to ED for me to share it. All I can tell you is what is immediately obvious from the Black Shark 2 mission editor. If I don't point it out, someone else will see it too, eventually.

 

And who knows- maybe they are only 50/50 about making FC3, and they just wanted to hedge their bets by allowing FC aircraft to be human-flyable.

Edited November 4, 2011 by Speed

[joey45]

To me FC3 should be a patch not an upgrade.

That is if they decide to do it... personaly no, FC is to old and should be left, or intergrated into the DCS world.

[Beagle One]

To me FC3 should be a patch not an upgrade.

That is if they decide to do it... personaly no, FC is to old and should be left, or intergrated into the DCS world.

Only payware addons for quite a while...you should have learned from FC2 and BS2 that ED can sell the same game more than once.

FC3 would be a nightmare to the DCS concept. Just think about it how much in a disadvantage you already are in MP environment when using the more complex aircraft like Su25/T and Ka-50 vs. the rock solid and easy avionics Su-27, MíGs and F-15s. They can just push you from the taxiway and go on unharmed while your landing gear collapses on slight impact...(just happened to me today)

Edited November 4, 2011 by Beagle One

[joey45]

^^ good point.

[manfrez01]

Dear ED:

 

I think even this time of year, people, it does not matter if a new patch, or a new series, so if I have no doubt that this community grew, next fighter sims. Now I just want an update, and to destroy some dcs: K-50 or DCS: A-10 :joystick:

 

FC2: UPDATE ? or otherwise announcing what the next DCS:sim ¡¡¡, please.

 

sincerely manfrez01

[Frostie]

FC3 would be a nightmare to the DCS concept. Just think about it how much in a disadvantage you already are in MP environment when using the more complex aircraft like Su25/T and Ka-50 vs. the rock solid and easy avionics Su-27, MíGs and F-15s. They can just push you from the taxiway and go on unharmed while your landing gear collapses on slight impact...(just happened to me today)

How is that relevant or even a disadvantage, i'm pretty sure even the slightest touch of a/c's in FC2 means damage, more often than not unflyable damage. If anything your talking about player attitudes.

More complex systems means more scope to achieve what you want to do.

Just comparing the Su-25 vanilla to the more complex 25T and you see how much more you get and can do with more complexity.

And is it really a hinderance that someone can spool up with the press of a button compared to a Ka50 sequence? I don't see how the two variants can interfere with either players enjoyment.

[GGTharos]

They don't. As long as the mission maker is considerate, the spool-up time is alleviated.

 

As for operating in a combat zone with fighters looking for you ... what's the complaint again? You were expecting to not get hunted/shot at in war? I know the Ka-50 doesn't have an RWR, but you can't blame that for not having arranged a fighter sweep or CAP!

[Pilotasso]

Only payware addons for quite a while...you should have learned from FC2 and BS2 that ED can sell the same game more than once.

FC3 would be a nightmare to the DCS concept. Just think about it how much in a disadvantage you already are in MP environment when using the more complex aircraft like Su25/T and Ka-50 vs. the rock solid and easy avionics Su-27, MíGs and F-15s. They can just push you from the taxiway and go on unharmed while your landing gear collapses on slight impact...(just happened to me today)

 

..or put the hurt on the enemy with JDAMs and LGB's that none of the other planes but the A-10C currently have. having said that I think FC3 is a waste of time considering that DCS: Fast jet is already under development.

[rattler]

Now A-10 2. $21.95, taking into account todays prices and adjusting for inflation.

 

 

Pete

[elchacal]

I don't know if FC3 will come out, but I think that the compatibility between DCS series and FC aircrafts could be improve the simulation experience.

 

I prefer an aircraft controled by an human before the IA!, even if the FC aircrafts don't comply with the "DCS standar".

 

Most people (isn't my case) don't want make a cold start.. they prefer focus in tactics or in combat to their abilities and that is a valid way of thinking.. In the other hand, there some people that are capable of make a cold start easily, or make an excelent navigation with the analogic instruments, but at the moment of combat they don't use tactics or don't have a good combat skill.. and that is the same that fly an aircraft without a "DCS standar"..

[Arclight]

Bah, I disagree. Getting shot down or even flying with people who can go from cold start to airborne in under a minute is frustrating. If you get into trouble, it's a 5-minute start up sequence. If they get into trouble they'll be back in the air a minute later.

 

Not only that, but as soon as I put FC2 aircraft in missions, it fractured the players. 2 nights and nobody showed up anymore.

 

If FC aircraft are brought up to DCS standards I'm happy to include them, otherwise I'm having none of it.

[Hellfire257]

Well it depends for me. Since A-10C got new 3D models for some stuff, most notably the F-15C It would be nice if they reworked the 3D models for all the FC2 aircraft except the Su-25T (I think that's fine as it is).

 

Overall I agree with elchacal. I do mostly fly COOP however, and it's always nice to have air-to-air combat going on as the ground pounders do their work.

[Heli Shed]

Keep in mind, I am in no way have any inside information, and if I did, then it wouldn't be fair to ED for me to share it.

 

And in contravention of a legally binding NDA which would result in instant spontaneous combustion as soon as you turned your pc on.:smilewink:

[Dudikoff]

I see the FC3 more as an improvement to flying already present planes there (AI, ME, graphics, new objects). Combining them with BS2 or Warthog in MP is just an icing on the cake - you can mix them or you don't have to, so I don't see where the negative reasoning in this regard comes from.

 

The only possible issue is the efforts needed, but I presume most of the hard work was done with the FC -> FC2 transition. ED is not a small company of 10 people so that the impact to the next module is that big and the amount of work and frustration are not that big as for the FC2. So, if they think is financially viable and they have some resources for that, I say why not. I know that I would gladly pay $20 dollars for that as I enjoy flying the Soviet airplanes and it will be some time till we get such a module. I'm sure there's more people here willing to do so.

[Hellfire257]

That's a good point. If you don't want them in your mission don't add the slots.

[Speed]

And in contravention of a legally binding NDA which would result in instant spontaneous combustion as soon as you turned your pc on.:smilewink:

 

That have anything to do with the "Spetznaz clause" I've heard the testers whisper in fear about?

[GGTharos]

BlackShark2 clause.

[Speed]

BlackShark2 clause.

 

You see what the ED devs do to a tester who is about to give away secrets at this link:

Edited November 7, 2011 by Speed

[FLANKERATOR]

LMAO..Too good speed. It would be awesome to see FC3 joining BS/DCS world.