Cali Posted January 29, 2012 Posted January 29, 2012 Bottom-Line is that it will take as long as it takes. The P-51 has been confirmed as a 2012 release. Other products as a release 'in the coming months', ie the foreseeable future. Why the hurry? In any event, lets get back on topic shall we. Why the hurry, really? People are getting tried of just flying the A-10/BS, people always want more...you should know this. Was it you the one that said DCS A-10C took so long was because of FC2? i7-4820k @ 3.7, Windows 7 64-bit, 16GB 1866mhz EVGA GTX 970 2GB, 256GB SSD, 500GB WD, TM Warthog, TM Cougar MFD's, Saitek Combat Pedals, TrackIR 5, G15 keyboard, 55" 4K LED
636_Castle Posted January 29, 2012 Posted January 29, 2012 (edited) Interesting I guess. I'll support the development of this module with forum posts, but that's about as far as I'll go with this one.:) Edited January 29, 2012 by 636_Castle [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] How To Fix Your X-52's Rudder!
Nate--IRL-- Posted January 29, 2012 Posted January 29, 2012 Back when Wags was being interviewed, and he disclosed a "fixed wing, American fighter", was this the aircraft..? :( See Number 5 .... http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=81589 In the coming months we plan to release several new projects. While we wish to have open communications with our customers and let them know of our planned projects, please understand that plans often change due to unforeseen circumstances. The below list is a road map of our intentions and not a promise of things to come. As each product nears completion and feature lists are finalized, more details will be provided. 1- Combined Arms. This $19.99 add-on will allow A-10C, Black Shark 2, and Flaming Cliffs 3 owner to act as ground force commanders as the mission is running. Users can direct ground units, set fire missions for artillery/multiple rocket launchers, and take the role of a Joint Terminal Air Controller (JTAC). As the JTAC, players will have night vision goggles, IR pointer, laser designator, and Forward Looking Infrared (FLIR). Several other new items are still being considered. Combined Arms will work in both single player and multiplayer missions. 2- Flaming Cliffs 3. This will be a paid-for update to the Flaming Cliffs series and brings it to the same world, mission editor, AI, units, etc. as A-10C and Black Shark 2. We plan to include several upgrades to the aircraft, a resource management system, and several other new features. This will also make Flaming Cliffs online compatible with A-10C and Black Shark 2. Pricing will depend on what new features are included. 3- Nevada map. This will be a $19.99 add-on that will be compatible with A-10C, Black Shark 2, and FC3. Users that purchased the A-10C beta will get this map for free. 4- The first "DCS Flying Legends" aircraft will be released in the first half of 2012. 5- The next US fixed wing jet DCS aircraft is being worked on in parallel. Nate Ka-50 AutoPilot/stabilisation system description and operation by IvanK- Essential Reading
joey45 Posted January 29, 2012 Posted January 29, 2012 No.. are you sure it was JimMack that was being interviewed..? The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. "Me, the 13th Duke of Wybourne, here on the ED forums at 3 'o' clock in the morning, with my reputation. Are they mad.." https://ko-fi.com/joey45
636_Castle Posted January 29, 2012 Posted January 29, 2012 Thanks Nate. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] How To Fix Your X-52's Rudder!
Panthro Posted January 30, 2012 Posted January 30, 2012 BVR is pretty intense as well, if you have a worthy opponent:D I think that being able to see your opponent is far ore visceral. this said I prefer jets :) [sIGPIC]http://forums.eagle.ru/signaturepics/sigpic86362_2.gif[/sIGPIC]
Succellus Posted January 30, 2012 Posted January 30, 2012 What i see here, is a lot of sidework to try to keep interest in DCS. Because i really don t think they have any other plane in the oven. And sadly their only option was to bring old stuff and non related stuff on the board to gain time. FC2 ->FC3 P51 (Nice but what the heck has it to do with DCS, and as for modern warfare, its slow, its paperwork, any tank . 50 will bring it down fast with the level of accuracy tank machinegunners have) Preclude to one more WW2 sim. If so ok, if not, just sightseen. K50-1 -> K50-2 (at least it have a scenario for it) Nevada ? - A10C -> A10C (good if it comes with more detailed and extensive training missions (but due to the historical incompatibility beetween version i don t see it likely) All in all it ain t bad, but its surely no good news. Really, i m waiting for a fast mover...and would really like yo know what it is so i can build the rest of my pit being a hybrid of A10 and the next one. 1 HaF 922, Asus rampage extreme 3 gene, I7 950 with Noctua D14, MSI gtx 460 hawk, G skill 1600 8gb, 1.5 giga samsung HD. Track IR 5, Hall sensed Cougar, Hall sensed TM RCS TM Warthog(2283), TM MFD, Saitek pro combat rudder, Cougar MFD.
MemphisBelle Posted January 31, 2012 Posted January 31, 2012 What i see here, is a lot of sidework to try to keep interest in DCS. Because i really don t think they have any other plane in the oven. And sadly their only option was to bring old stuff and non related stuff on the board to gain time. FC2 ->FC3 P51 (Nice but what the heck has it to do with DCS, and as for modern warfare, its slow, its paperwork, any tank . 50 will bring it down fast with the level of accuracy tank machinegunners have) Preclude to one more WW2 sim. If so ok, if not, just sightseen. K50-1 -> K50-2 (at least it have a scenario for it) Nevada ? - A10C -> A10C (good if it comes with more detailed and extensive training missions (but due to the historical incompatibility beetween version i don t see it likely) All in all it ain t bad, but its surely no good news. Really, i m waiting for a fast mover...and would really like yo know what it is so i can build the rest of my pit being a hybrid of A10 and the next one. Agreeing with you about the informationpolitics...unfortunately we wont change ED in this matter. It´l be announced once ED consider it as an announceable product. But you dont have to get upset about that. The next DCS jet supersonic Hyperdyper Jet Aircraft will be out this year as well, that was announced as well as the release of a Flying legend Aircraft (long before P-51 was announced). ED could really confirm or even not confirm the release of a fast mover modul for 2012. Type of Aircraft is not necessary, but whether or not we´ll be able to fly soon what we´re waiting for for sooo many years. BlackSharkDen | BSD Discord | DCS Tutorial Collection
sinelnic Posted January 31, 2012 Posted January 31, 2012 Well, it should be obvious by now that DCS is only stalling until the end of the world this year releases them from their promises, as it is obvious they are totally incapable of fulfilling them due to lack of talent and unwillingness to dedicate otherwise valuable IT talent to produce PC renditions of glorified tin cans. In fact ED has just been contacted by all our moms and since we've all been naughty naughty boys, we won't be getting any fast movers this year or the next unless we get our sh*t together and start behaving properly. And don't make me call your fathers to explain in more detail. :baby: Westinghouse W-600 refrigerator - Corona six-pack - Marlboro reds - Patience by Girlfriend "Engineering is the art of modelling materials we do not wholly understand, into shapes we cannot precisely analyse so as to withstand forces we cannot properly assess, in such a way that the public has no reason to suspect the extent of our ignorance." (Dr. A. R. Dykes - British Institution of Structural Engineers, 1976)
joey45 Posted January 31, 2012 Posted January 31, 2012 ^ 2 The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. "Me, the 13th Duke of Wybourne, here on the ED forums at 3 'o' clock in the morning, with my reputation. Are they mad.." https://ko-fi.com/joey45
MemphisBelle Posted January 31, 2012 Posted January 31, 2012 In fact ED has just been contacted by all our moms and since we've all been naughty naughty boys, we won't be getting any fast movers this year or the next unless we get our sh*t together and start behaving properly. I am curious about what you consider by behaving properly... BlackSharkDen | BSD Discord | DCS Tutorial Collection
joey45 Posted January 31, 2012 Posted January 31, 2012 I am curious about what you consider by behaving properly... I want this I want that Telll me what it is NOW!!! The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. "Me, the 13th Duke of Wybourne, here on the ED forums at 3 'o' clock in the morning, with my reputation. Are they mad.." https://ko-fi.com/joey45
jazjar Posted January 31, 2012 Posted January 31, 2012 Oh man, I was hoping for a Hornet of an Eagle or something... Well, someone can make an AMRAAM mod for P-51, riiiiiiiight? ;) 1 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Buckram Posted January 31, 2012 Posted January 31, 2012 I am keen for this aircraft, however I am not sure about how complex the systems in it are..... Achieving World Peace - One 2000lb JDAM at a time. Intel i7 9700K, 32GB Corsair Vengeance DDR4 3200Mhz , ASUS ROG STRIX GTX 1080 TI OC, Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog, Saitek Pro Rudder Pedals, Oculus Rift S. ~ Proud Member of the 62nd Fighting Falcons ~ [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
ED Team Yo-Yo Posted January 31, 2012 ED Team Posted January 31, 2012 ^ Yes!... Snegourochka! Ніщо так сильно не ранить мозок, як уламки скла від розбитих рожевих окулярів There is nothing so hurtful for the brain as splinters of broken rose-coloured spectacles. Ничто так сильно не ранит мозг, как осколки стекла от разбитых розовых очков (С) Me
636_Castle Posted January 31, 2012 Posted January 31, 2012 (edited) Still a bit confused regarding Flying Legends and DCS. I thought Flying Legends would be it's own series. But it'll be integrated and stamped with the DCS title just like A-10C and Black Shark and be flyable in multiplayer servers alongside our Warthogs and Black Sharks. Like other gents here, I'm not sure how it will play a role in our modernized DCS world. Certainly DCS strives for realism, and it's not realistic to fly combat scenarios in the DCS world, which is set in the modern day. I guess it's something that can be considered "fun" to toy around with, but I don't think that's why the majority of us flocked here in the first place. :) To say "DCS is heading in the right direction, because there is a large WW2 era community out there" doesn't really make sense to me. That's like saying "From now on, Bentley will stamp their cars with a Rolls Royce badge, because there's a large Rolls Royce community out there." Let that community stay where it is. I'm all for diversity, but developing something that appeals to an entirely different fan base, just because you know it's out there, seems odd. And while "the P-51D and other Flying Legends series aircraft definitely does not preclude the continued development of modern aircraft", I can't help but wonder where priorities are currently. The next DCS aircraft after the A-10C was set to be announced after A-10C was available world-wide in retail stores. Since the only public timeline for the future projects road map is set for the P-51D, and nobody knows when we'll hear of a more anticipated project, I think I speak for more than just myself when I say it's a little concerning that work is now divided to be a parallel development process between Combined Arms, FC3, Nevada, the next jet aircraft that remains unknown, and now, a P-51D that has been announced "for demonstration purposes." How about announcing an aircraft that will have functionality that extends beyond demonstration, and appeals to enthusiasts who came here for what was here first, jets? :) Still, I'm sure DCS: P-51D will be an extraordinary addition for those that will find use for it. I still have the upmost respect for Eagle Dynamics, and their ability to listen to customers and really deliver when it comes down to the bottom line. Edited January 31, 2012 by 636_Castle [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] How To Fix Your X-52's Rudder!
159th_Viper Posted January 31, 2012 Posted January 31, 2012 Still a bit confused regarding Flying Legends and DCS. I thought Flying Legends would be it's own series. It is, as stated in the announcement. But it'll be integrated and stamped with the DCS title just like A-10C and Black Shark and be flyable in multiplayer servers alongside our Warthogs and Black Sharks. Yes, and? It's part of the Digital Combat Simulator series. And yes, flyable in servers at the behest of mission-designers and server admins. It's all about choice. Would you rather have this choice removed? Like other gents here, I'm not sure how it will play a role in our modernized DCS world. Certainly DCS strives for realism, and it's not realistic to fly combat scenarios in the DCS world, which is set in the modern day. There's your mistake and that of many others. The DCS world is not modern. What gave you the idea that Digital Combat Simulator automatically means Digital Modern Combat Simulator? It has been expressly stated that DCS is not limited to any specific time-frame, yet the argument persists. Why? I guess it's something that can be considered "fun" to toy around with.... It's going to take a lot more than toying around to get vaguely proficient in flying the Mustang, trust me. ..... and now, a P-51D that has been announced "for demonstration purposes." Again - have you read the announcement/F.A.Q.? It is not for demonstration purposes, but an independent DCS Product. .......and appeals to enthusiasts who came here for what was here first, jets? Wrong again - the Kamov was first in the DCS series. Don't get me wrong, I'm not beating your bones. I'm just tickled at the amount of 'misunderstanding' that a lot of posts seem to have :) Novice or Veteran looking for an alternative MP career? Click me to commence your Journey of Pillage and Plunder! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] '....And when I get to Heaven, to St Peter I will tell.... One more Soldier reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell......'
636_Castle Posted January 31, 2012 Posted January 31, 2012 (edited) So, the P-51D is actually a product that is in more than one series. And, This series of simulations demonstrates the broad scope of DCS simulation environment and its ability to introduce aircraft from all eras into a common simulation environment. does not indicate the P-51D simulation is merely a demonstration of the ability to introduce new eras into DCS. Am I understanding now? Also, my guess for you wondering why most people consider DCS to be a modern simulator, would be the fact that the campaign, the 'story' if you will, of DCS, is officially dated as being in the 21st century. Also, I don't believe I'm wrong in mentioning most people flocked here because of jets. These forums, and Eagle products have been around long before the DCS series came about, right? Edited January 31, 2012 by 636_Castle 1 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] How To Fix Your X-52's Rudder!
Dimebag Posted January 31, 2012 Posted January 31, 2012 The DCS world is not modern. What gave you the idea that Digital Combat Simulator automatically means Digital Modern Combat Simulator? It has been expressly stated that DCS is not limited to any specific time-frame, yet the argument persists. Why? Not to sound rude, but this "mistake" has probably been made by the majority of the community due to the original predecessor to the DCS series, Lockon: Modern Air Combat. I do understand that DCS is a different series to LOMAC, however it was born from the same world as LOMAC, contains the same aircraft and ground units (mostly) and borrows much from the original game. This is probably what lead us to believe that DCS had the same priority of delivering a modern combat experience (modern meaning not vintage). 3 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Find us at http://virtual-roulettes.forumotion.com/
EtherealN Posted January 31, 2012 Posted January 31, 2012 Indeed Castle, that is a question of language. Saying that something "demonstrates" something does not mean that demonstrating it was it's whole purpose. DCS Black Shark "demonstrates" ED's ability to create realistic helicopter flight models, but it wasn't made just to say "look at what we can do". It is a product in it's own right, but it's existence does of course demonstrate certain facts about ED's capabilities. :) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Daniel "EtherealN" Agorander | Даниэль "эфирныйн" Агорандер Intel i7 2600K @ 4.4GHz, ASUS Sabertooth P67, 8GB Corsair Vengeance @ 1600MHz, ASUS GTX 560Ti DirectCU II 1GB, Samsung 830series 512GB SSD, Corsair AX850w, two BENQ screens and TM HOTAS Warthog DCS: A-10C Warthog FAQ | DCS: P-51D FAQ | Remember to read the Forum Rules | | | Life of a Game Tester
159th_Viper Posted January 31, 2012 Posted January 31, 2012 Am I understanding now? Not yet it seems. Have regard to the following quote: While the P-51D started as an internal technology demonstration, it has evolved into an independent product that adds an all new dimension to the DCS universe The word 'demonstrates' in your quote does not mean that the product is merely there for demonstration purposes. .......would be the fact that the campaign, the 'story' if you will, of DCS, is officially dated as being in the 21st century. Where do you see that? How does the Kamov then fit into that equation? Also, I don't believe I'm wrong in mentioning most people flocked here because of jets. These forums, and Eagle products have been around long before the DCS series came about, right? That is so, but that is not what you said. We are after all referring to the DCS series now. Novice or Veteran looking for an alternative MP career? Click me to commence your Journey of Pillage and Plunder! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] '....And when I get to Heaven, to St Peter I will tell.... One more Soldier reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell......'
bluepilot76 Posted January 31, 2012 Posted January 31, 2012 It's going to take a lot more than toying around to get vaguely proficient in flying the Mustang, trust me. hmmm another DCS product that promises to be so hard that only the true hard core simmer should ever contemplate trying to take off. I have heard that before. P51 is not the space shuttle nor is it even a A10C. It is a simple airframe with rather a large engine on the front. If DCS make it "that" hard I suspect they are getting it wrong. Young men of 18 were flying these in combat after a few hours training. They were not all shot down on there first mission either. Most reports I have read of this type of aircraft will state it has beautiful flying characteristics and that the pilot needs to be aware of what to do with his feet. So anyone with bit of experience in RoF or RL prop flying and has heard of a constant speed propeller should be able to toy around in it after a couple of hours. Thats my prediction. Looking forward to it! Technical Specs: Asus G73JW gaming laptop... i7-740QM 1.73GHz ... GTX460m 1.5GB ... 8GB DDR5 RAM ... Win7 64 ... TIR5 ... Thrustmaster T16000m
john_X Posted January 31, 2012 Posted January 31, 2012 i was suspicious about asking ED for including the Mig-21 in their future plans, because of its old, not modern avionics and incapability to face the actual jets in air to air combat, but it seems they went even further...P-51 Mustang. Interesting. If you ask me, the initiative is good but it should be included in another gender, not called DCS(DIGITAL Combat Series, with the word "digital" bold). ED should not forget what's the main theme here, which is included in the name. So, about this pickle we've found ourselves in.. i see this resolve, from my point of view: P-51 released under other name and not necessary compatible with DCS and publication of the name of the next DCS fighter, that should be released sooner than P-51, which is not a priority for us, or me. And Mig-21
EtherealN Posted January 31, 2012 Posted January 31, 2012 (edited) If you ask me, the initiative is good but it should be included in another gender, not called DCS(DIGITAL Combat Series, with the word "digital" bold). ED should not forget what's the main theme here, which is included in the name. Indeed, included is the name that it's a digital combat simulation. Think hard on this - it doesn't simulate "digital" combat. In that case we'd be simulating the USAF cyberspace command with their toolbox of packet sniffers, trojans, and other such fun stuff and the opponents might be Iranian nuclear facilities or whatever - not aircraft. ;) The "digital" is about what the product itself is, not about what is being simulated. :) Edited January 31, 2012 by EtherealN typo fix [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Daniel "EtherealN" Agorander | Даниэль "эфирныйн" Агорандер Intel i7 2600K @ 4.4GHz, ASUS Sabertooth P67, 8GB Corsair Vengeance @ 1600MHz, ASUS GTX 560Ti DirectCU II 1GB, Samsung 830series 512GB SSD, Corsair AX850w, two BENQ screens and TM HOTAS Warthog DCS: A-10C Warthog FAQ | DCS: P-51D FAQ | Remember to read the Forum Rules | | | Life of a Game Tester
Eddie Posted January 31, 2012 Posted January 31, 2012 If you ask me, the initiative is good but it should be included in another gender, not called DCS(DIGITAL Combat Series, with the word "digital" bold). ED should not forget what's the main theme here, which is included in the name. What? That sentence simply doesn't make any sense.
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