What do you think about P-51D and Flying Legends?

[Xxx]

From the FAQ (link in my signature):

 

Q: Will a world war 2 era map be included?

A: No, DCS is an open simulation environment, it is not a simulation of a specific time period.

 

Q: Will units from the world war 2 era exist, like ME-109's and Ju-87's?

A: That has yet to be determined. While we understand the desire for WW2 counterpart aircraft, DCS is not intended to be a full WW2 era simulation.

 

Hmmm..

 

It will be a superb simulation of a ww2 era aircraft, of that I have little doubt, based purely on my observations of BS and a10.

 

To be flown not in a specific time period or theatre and perhaps not with WW2 era counterparts?

 

Now dont take this opinion the wrong way, but I think that sounds like an FSX aircraft?

 

Perhaps I am wrong in my desire for a simulation that suspends disbelief? BS is Russian, the theatre was believable, the deployment plausible. The sim even had me thinking I was Russian. That's good immersion, good suspension of disbelief, well speaking personally. So my thoughts are that if I fly the Mustang in the BS/a10 geographic area, without any time context then I am simulating flight in a WW2 aircraft and not much else?

 

Appologies here, perhaps I am missing the point?

 

Cheers.

[PeterP]

 

Appologies here, perhaps I am missing the point?

 

Cheers.

 

Will try to give you a explanation...

 

DCS Flying Legend : P-51D is not meant to be a full aerial WW2 simulation.

 

DCS Flying Legend : P-51 is meant to be a simulation of the simulated aircraft as detailed as it can get.

Nothing more nothing less.

 

What you make out of it is up to you.

[159th_Viper]

Hmmm....It will be a superb simulation of a ww2 era aircraft....

 

For a plane that saw operational duty from March 1944 until retirement from Military service in 1984 and all periods inbetween, how do you manage to get to 'ww2 era' ?

[Pyroflash]

Simple, because the P-51 was a staple aircraft of the WWII campaigns, people associate it ONLY with that war. They don't stop to consider that it may have served in some capacity well into the future.

 

While the Mustang may have been outclassed in air combat by many of the newer aircraft at the time, as fighters and fighter bombers, the early jet aircraft post-WWII lacked the range to be effective, while the P-51 could still carry on for many miles and attack targets that the jets couldn't. This role, combined with its superb fulfillment of the trainer role, ensured that the Mustang would have a place in the USAF inventory until 1946 when it would be retired from active service. However, many nations continued to use the Mustang in an operational capacity well into the twentieth century, and that should prove to its resilience when compared to many aircraft of the early jet age.

 

Oh, and just to be clear, when Viper says "Military Service", the last Mustang was retired from global service in 1984, ending its prolonged service with the Dominican armed forces. Not saying that the Dominicans don't have a military, however I just want to avoid the inevitable "he said she said it was in USAF inventory until the 80's!".

 

And yes Viper, you are a she. Just so you know.

Edited March 16, 2012 by Pyroflash

[arraamis]

I'm going to make this as brief as possible .....

 

It is indeed an interesting and curious move by DCS to indulge into the WW2 area of flight sims. To date WW2 sims have been well represented by Maddox & Co. and it has a very large fan base. Of course, one can always present an argument to having WW2 aircraft represented with all the bells and whistles. But, if longevity is a concern with DCS, then I think one would have to consider where the market is and where it is going.

 

I stop by the forum from time to time to see what's new and also, to view the activity levels of users. And to state that it has diminished, would be a understatement.

 

The biggest question to be asked when dealing with such a niche market {Flight sims} is whether you're presenting a product that will attract fans and increase revenue. It is my belief, {Based on my reaction to the news} that the addition of another WW2 based sim is not earth shattering enough to encourage a purchase. Sure I, like many, will probably want to see it in action, but the desire to use another developer's incarnation of "WW2 in the sky's" is just not that interesting.

 

I look forward to getting a peek at the offering, just to satisfy my natural curiosity. But secretly, I'll be hoping and wishing for other dev's to come on the scene with products that have an impact.

 

As an example, when F4 by MicroProse hit the market, it had such an impact that many joined the flight sim community, based on that product alone. That is the impact that is needed again, for I see many simmers getting lost in the sauce of products that only have temporary appeal. It is my opinion, that another WW2 item will not have any significant, long-lasting appeal .... sadly, I might add. WW2 has been done to death exponentially, and this will be represented in the sales of future products.

 

Best of luck & regards ....

[Peyoteros]

That is one amazing poll... Not that it's unbelievably messy, but if you add all the percentage together, you will come up with 169.37% in total!

Sabotage?:huh:

[Kuky]

That is one amazing poll... Not that it's unbelievably messy, but if you add all the percentage together, you will come up with 169.37% in total!

Sabotage?:huh:

 

you can vote for more than 1 option :)

[ZQuickSilverZ]

That is one amazing poll...

 

Thats what she said.

[Peyoteros]

So now it's my fault?

Thats what she said.

[Poor mans sniper]

What would be pretty nice is if the Flying Legends series goes outside of just WW2 aircraft, and had planes from the 50s and 60s, just think: a F-86 Sabre sim on the DCS level of quality.

[Teknetinium]

What would be pretty nice is if the Flying Legends series goes outside of just WW2 aircraft, and had planes from the 50s and 60s, just think: a F-86 Sabre sim on the DCS level of quality.

 

 

+1

[WildBillKelsoe]

I'm waiting for it like a hooker on steroids, whatever that means... :thumbup::smartass::pilotfly:

[Peyoteros]

Poll makes no sense... Why would you show proportions in percentage, if sum of total is higher than 100? It's like saying "100% of voters said they are happy, but then remaining 372% said they are not"

 

you can vote for more than 1 option :)

[ФрогФут]

Why would you show proportions in percentage, if sum of total is higher than 100?

Cause it is not a single choice poll?

If 50% percent like candies and 60% like icecream, that does not mean, that there are 110%. It means, that there are people, who like candies and icecream.

Edited April 1, 2012 by ФрогФут

[Booger]

What would be pretty nice is if the Flying Legends series goes outside of just WW2 aircraft, and had planes from the 50s and 60s, just think: a F-86 Sabre sim on the DCS level of quality.

 

+1 as well, although "Flying Legends" seems like a pretty narrow picking of aircraft. If it's TFC based, don't expect any jets at all.

 

Maybe a new sub series with it's own clever little title?

[Lemon Lime]

Cause it is not a single choice poll?

If 50% percent like candies and 60% like icecream, that does not mean, that there are 110%. It means, that there are people, who like candies and icecream.

You're trying to deceive us! But we know the truth! These all are tricks of Churov the magician! We must put on the white ribbon and go to the meeting!

[Peyoteros]

You make no sense. If 50% like candies there can be only 50% or less who likes icecream, as there can only be 100% in total.

Cause it is not a single choice poll?

If 50% percent like candies and 60% like icecream, that does not mean, that there are 110%. It means, that there are people, who like candies and icecream.

[159th_Viper]

You make no sense. If 50% like candies there can be only 50% or less who likes icecream, as there can only be 100% in total.

 

No.

 

That would be the case if persons were given the choice to either pick ice-cream or candies.

 

In this poll, the members are not restricted to one choice alone. They are specifically been told that they can choose both ice-cream and candy: They do not have to forego one in favour of the other.

[Peyoteros]

FFS, there is only candies or ice-cream... are you blind? :megalol:

Then there would be 50% who likes candies and 20% who likes both and only 30% who likes ice-cream only... There is only 100% available. Case closed.

 

No.

 

That would be the case if persons were given the choice to either pick ice-cream or candies.

 

In this poll, the members are not restricted to one choice alone. They are specifically been told that they can choose both ice-cream and candy: They do not have to forego one in favour of the other.

[159th_Viper]

I'll try one last time :)

 

You poll ten people with regard to their preferences for Candy, Ice cream and Crisps. Out of the ten people, it appears that 2 people are allergic to Crisps, one is allergic to Ice Cream and another is allergic to Candy.

 

Results per vote are as follows (Members are requested to mark the option applicable to them):

 

1: Preference for Ice Cream, Candy and Crisps

 

* * * * * *

 

6 votes.

 

(Original 10 minus 2 allergic to Crisps/1 allergic to Ice-Cream/1 allergic to Candy)

 

 

 

 

2: Preference for Ice Cream and Candy

 

* * * * * * * *

 

8 votes

 

(Original 10 minus 1 allergic to Ice Cream/minus one allergic to Candy)

 

 

 

 

3: Preference for Ice Cream and Crisps

 

* * * * * * *

 

7 votes

 

(Original 10 minus 1 allergic to Ice Cream/minus two allergic to Crisps)

 

 

 

 

4: Preference for Candy and Crisps

 

* * * * * * *

 

7 votes

 

(Original 10 minus 1 allergic to Candy/minus two allergic to Crisps)

 

 

 

 

Conclusion:

 

10 members polled / 28 votes cast.

 

 

 

In the above example, just because 6 out of ten members prefer Candy, Ice Cream and Crisps does not mean that they are 60% of the poll. On the contrary, the result amounts to 21.4% of the poll.

 

 

 

End result expressed as a percentage:

 

Members preference for Ice Cream, Candy and Crisps - 21.4%

 

Members preference for Ice Cream and Candy - 28.6%

 

Members preference for Ice Cream and Crisps - 25%

 

Members preference for Candy and Crisps - 25%

 

Total - 100%

[Lemon Lime]

50% candies + 20% both = 70%

30% ice-cream + 20% both = 50%

50% + 70% = 120%

 

Long live Mr. Churov! :)

FFS, there is only candies or ice-cream... are you blind? :megalol:

Then there would be 50% who likes candies and 20% who likes both and only 30% who likes ice-cream only... There is only 100% available. Case closed.

Edited April 1, 2012 by Lemon Lime

[Peyoteros]

Right...so, according to Mr. Churov:

70% (Candies + both) = candies + candies + ice-cream... wow... then you forgot to add 50% candies + 30% ice-cream = 80% + 120% ((Candies + candies + ice-cream) + (ice-cream + ice-cream + candies)) = 200% Long live Mr. Churov! (P.S. can he do the same with my money?) please :cry: I wanna buy Track IR5...and a magic chair...

 

50% candies + 20% both = 70%

30% ice-cream + 20% both = 50%

50% + 70% = 120%

 

Long live Mr. Churov! :)

[Peyoteros]

Mate, you're blind... there is no crisps! Jesus Crist mon... oh... I'm gettind tired... Going to kill some tanks or something...

Who are you anyway, leave me alone :smilewink: you are not real, go away!

 

If 50% percent like candies and 60% like icecream, that does not mean, that there are 110%. It means, that there are people, who like candies and icecream.

 

See! No crisps!

[sobek]

If 2 people are inside a car and three get out, one has to get back in so the car is empty. Gotta love math.

[cichlidfan]

If 2 people are inside a car and three get out, one has to get back in so the car is empty. Gotta love math.

 

...and the one that gets back in the car likes ice cream and has red hair.:D