Will you buy FC3

[voodooman]

Why do you need to understand it for it to be out of scope?

 

Because i PAY for this, me the CUSTOMER remember? And because it has been done before.

Your question just proves my point of your standards for customer service, or lack of it to be honest.

 

You shoud not be answering questions made by a CUSTOMER, if hard questions upset you.

[GGTharos]

Sounds more like they upset you, but since you're not getting it, I'll exlain it to you once more: There is a lot more happening than FC series of things, and so FC gets a limited amount of time to be worked on. Things that cannot be completed in that time are out of scope - as in not planned to be changed.

 

You're right though, you don't want any insights into the process since it seems it's difficult for you to even try to understand it, so I'll just say this:

 

ED listens to customers, and implements things that they can implement, resource and time permitting.

 

Because i PAY for this, me the CUSTOMER remember? And because it has been done before.

Your question just proves my point of your standards for customer service, or lack of it to be honest.

 

You shoud not be answering questions made by a CUSTOMER, if hard questions upset you.

[SgtPappy]

In an attempt to stop the hostilities, I will now ask something about FC3 :)

 

There's very little information anywhere here or on the net that I can find. But I heard that another U.S. plane is going to be added. Can anyone confirm this, or the implementation of 3D cockpits?

 

Perhaps I should bump the suggestion thread as well...

[GGTharos]

No planes are being added (That I know of). As for features, those are to be announced.

[Nate--IRL--]

Features have yet to be confirmed by ED - however, a new FC aircraft is very unlikely.

 

Nate

[NineLine]

In an attempt to stop the hostilities, I will now ask something about FC3 :)

 

There's very little information anywhere here or on the net that I can find. But I heard that another U.S. plane is going to be added. Can anyone confirm this, or the implementation of 3D cockpits?

 

Perhaps I should bump the suggestion thread as well...

 

I would love to hear more detail about FC3 as well, what might be new about it, etc... surely its not a port over to DCS World.

[voodooman]

I am the customer so me being upset should be fine. You on the other hand...

 

And if it is impossible for you to understand why a CUSTOMER who has seen a major bug in the radar system corrected by a community member in the past, cant really understand why the code has not been put in to the commercial product, you have been workin too long on "that side of the fence" imo.

 

After all its only a lua script. It may not be "just drop in" code for your purposes but when considering the effect that this radar bug has on the hole gameplay, and the time it has been buggin(hehe) us the effort vs results ratio should not be too bad, since the code is there allready.

 

So excuse fuc*ing me for not seeing it being out of scope.

 

Voodooman over and out.

Edited August 10, 2012 by voodooman

[EtherealN]

voodooman,

 

What we have been trying to explain to you is that yes, you are a customer. As such, you have the option to purchase, or not to purchase. This is up to you. You are entitled to your opinion and this will inform your decision on whether you will purchase.

 

What we are trying to tell you is that your understanding of the "nuts and bolts" in the simulation product in question is incomplete. I am made to suspect that you are not a software developer by trade, nor a business executive, and therefore you might perhaps not have the necessary familiarity with how this works to make the statements you have made.

 

Also, watch your language. Blanking individual letters is not an evasion of the forum rules.

[FLANKERATOR]

Could have been as simple as saying : Good point Voodooman, please check FC2 bugs / FC3 wishlist threads. ED is keeping a close eye on those feed-backs and everything that can be done to fix what can be fixed will be done.

[voodooman]

"your understanding of the "nuts and bolts" in the simulation product in question is incomplete"

 

Before you start bashing me from your "high chair" about my understanding about "nuts and bolts" as you so "cleverly" put it out, bear in mind that i was pointing out that there are still bugs that are almost 10 YEARS OLD!!!!!!

 

Still there after multiple patches and two commercial releases.

 

And even if i'm not a softdev. I know people who are. Just asked them about tolerable age for any major bug in any commercial software. And guess what? None of them considered 9-10 years to be acceptable within any situation, in any commercial software, especially after two retail addons.

So i believe that my point was not made by an uneducated idiot, even if you want to tell that to your selves.

 

And just for fun i added some videos about a F-18 mod for FC2, made by a Finnish guy called Kegetys. Now he's software developer by profession and well known in ARMA community for being an uber modder.

 

So here's what 1 guy has been able to accomplish by HIM SELF and doing it just for fun mostly. There are no tricks used in the videos, cocpit is really clickable and the mdf's work for real.

 

 

 

 

P.S.

The mod is not public and is not available for dl, so everyone, please dont ask links to get it. Just wanted to point out that maybe leaning towards modders, might not be such a bad idea, since most of them are softdevs by profession, and would probably help you guys for free if credited for their effort...

Edited August 12, 2012 by voodooman

[Nate--IRL--]

Feel free to add to this thread....

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=81721&highlight=outstanding

 

Nate

[voodooman]

OK i seem to be misunderstood constantly.

 

So i put it as simple as i can:

 

Bugs, 9 years old, proven to be resolvable, have considerable effect on combat efficiency of a certain platform, being out of scope = FAIL

Edited August 12, 2012 by voodooman

[Pyroflash]

It is also a product that by all rights should, or rather would have been discontinued if it was any other company. It is nice that ED updates FC at all, I don't see how anyone can expect ED to spend a large amount of effort on it.

[joey45]

Indeed. It would of been abandoned after the 1.12 patch if it was one of the bigger names.

[WildBillKelsoe]

Absoloteliy!!! Any ED product / FC module is welcome at this point! so long as it integrates to DCS Werld!!

[ZQuickSilverZ]

I will only buy if it includes a new airframe that I want. I would have only bought it for Su25T anyway. I do not look for this to happen but, I would love to see a FC version of the KA-50.

Edited August 25, 2012 by ZQuickSilverZ

[WildBillKelsoe]

I'd love to see a DCS version of the Su-25 Frogfoot (Grach)

[159th_Viper]

Thread tidied up.

 

If posts cannot be constructive and courteous then kindly refrain from posting.

 

Ta

[Cali]

Actually your example is pretty poor. It is entirely possible that the doctor will not be able to help you despite the treatment - and you will still be paying for the treatment.

 

 

Great way to put it! 2 years ago my wife had to go to the ER room just about once a month for 5-6 months. This always happened after I got off of work, I worked mids at the time 11pm to 7am. So, I'd have to drive there and sometimes took a quick cat nap. They could never find anything wrong and they ran all sorts of test. The problem went away and hasn't come back. Glad I'm in the military and didn't have to pay for it!

 

Yes, there are problems with FC2, but the money I spent on them were well worth it. Had a lot of good times and met some really good people.

Edited August 13, 2012 by Cali

[Ramstein]

any hints when FC3 might be released?

 

:music_whistling:

[Grimes]

any hints when FC3 might be released?

 

:music_whistling:

Best guess is sometime between now and Half-life 3 being released.

[Pyroflash]

Best guess is sometime between now and Half-life 3 being released.

 

So what if I knew that Half-Life 3 is slated for release next week? :D

[Grimes]

I would be very happy. I suppose I could edit my original post to some other game, probably something like Gran Turismo 6 or some other franchise that takes their time between sequels. :D

 

But hey, just trying to state that we don't know when FC3 will be out. I just dislike stating the good old "when its done."

Edited August 18, 2012 by Grimes

[MadMonkey]

if you are worried about sales just add all modern U.S planes along with half way decently

accurate cockpits for each jet & watch your sales go threw the roof.

 

you will not be concerned with such trivial things as paying bills & making ends meet again :)

[Pyroflash]

Too much effort IMO for something that would be essentially going backwards.