TV guided with A10C

[Mar044]

hi all

 

I know todays a10 AGM use autopilot to guide the missile to target after release, but coming from lock on and the classic 90's area a10a had agms that where tv command guided from rack to target that allowed you to make course corrections etc as the missile flew.

 

the AGM is in the encyclopedia but i cant seem to find it in the missile selection load out screen. does dcs allow tv guided agms anymore or is that only a product of the older a10c. the reason i ask is entertainment factor :P i loved guiding my missiles from rack to target :P

 

I just wanted to know if real world they gone away with it, and so they have done away with it in game. as for real world as far as i can tell the isrealies are the only ones still useing active tv guided agms.

 

anyway anyone that can tell me that would be great, its driving me nuts, personally i liked the older AGM better as you could adjust missles needed instead of fire and forget.

[Eddie]

There are no command guided missiles or bombs used by the A-10C, and there weren't any used by the A-10A either.

 

What weapon are you referring to?

[Revelation]

Not sure which one he is referring to? The old A-10A's would lose video feed as soon as the pickle button was pressed.

[mvsgas]

The only missile in the USAF/ANG/AFR inventory that was TV guided was the AGM-130. The only bomb was the GBU-15. The USN had the AGM-62, which was a bomb not a missile.

[Razor5-1]

To be able to change missile/bomb course after launch/pickle there must exist some means of communication between the weapon and the aircraft. A command wire like on the TOW. A laser like the vikhr and LGB's.

[Dejjvid]

I believe he's referring to the Tomahawks. They can be controlled in flight and iirc, got a live camera the launch platform can view.

[Eddie]

I believe he's referring to the Tomahawks. They can be controlled in flight and iirc, got a live camera the launch platform can view.

 

Tomahawks are not air launched and no they don't have a camera. They can be controlled in the sense that their target etc.can be updated during their flight, but they cannot be directly controlled.

 

mvsgas listed all the weapons with such a capability.

[BlueRidgeDx]

The AGM-62 Walleye was TV command guided, but as near as I know it was never certified for carriage on the A-10A. The AGM-12 Bullpup was also command guided (though not TV), and it was widely chagrined as more deadly to friendly aircraft than enemy ground targets. It was also never certified for carriage on the A-10A.

[Mar044]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-65_Maverick

my mistake i meant AGM, i know because i played the first lock on.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-uWMXy4Nnc the feed was from the missle to the target, you had a tv picture from the camera on the warhead.

 

 

i know im getting old but i remember :P i played many hours of lock on 1 from dcs and i know you had control of the missile.

[Faelwolf]

Tomahawks are not air launched and no they don't have a camera. They can be controlled in the sense that their target etc.can be updated during their flight, but they cannot be directly controlled.

 

mvsgas listed all the weapons with such a capability.

 

I know there was a prototype short/mid range Tomahawk that was to be air launched that never saw field service. But wasn't there an early version that was fitted for launch from B-52's at one time? I seem to recall some pics back in the day.

[BlueRidgeDx]

The footage in the second link is from Operational Testing & Evaluation (OT&E), and is not representative of what you would see during actual employment of a Maverick.

 

The imagery shown is what the missile seeker saw from roll-in until impact. The missile was fired at 00:40, at which point, the missile umbilical is severed and there is no way for the pilot to see the missile video anymore. You can see the missile video get scratchy during the g-transient present at launch.

 

Because this was a test missile, it was configured to uplink the missile video to a ground station for recording, which is why we can see video for the entire flight. Again, this imagery was not visible to the pilot in the cockpit after he launched the missile.

[mvsgas]

i know im getting old but i remember :P i played many hours of lock on 1 from dcs and i know you had control of the missile.

 

Never seen nor herd of a controllable missile in any of ED products. Not in Lock on, not in Flaming cliff 1, not in flaming cliff 2 nor any other ED product. Maybe Flanker?

[WildBillKelsoe]

hi all

 

I know todays a10 AGM use autopilot to guide the missile to target after release, but coming from lock on and the classic 90's area a10a had agms that where tv command guided from rack to target that allowed you to make course corrections etc as the missile flew.

 

the AGM is in the encyclopedia but i cant seem to find it in the missile selection load out screen. does dcs allow tv guided agms anymore or is that only a product of the older a10c. the reason i ask is entertainment factor :P i loved guiding my missiles from rack to target :P

 

I just wanted to know if real world they gone away with it, and so they have done away with it in game. as for real world as far as i can tell the isrealies are the only ones still useing active tv guided agms.

 

anyway anyone that can tell me that would be great, its driving me nuts, personally i liked the older AGM better as you could adjust missles needed instead of fire and forget.

 

You're confusing the maverick with the hellfire, which is wire guided.

[AceKng1]

You're confusing the maverick with the hellfire, which is wire guided.

 

The Hellfire missile is actually either laser guided or radar guided. These still allow you to change the missile's target after launch. I don't think the A-10a ever carried Hellfires though.

 

I have no idea what munition Mar004 is remembering. Could you simply be remembering a different plane such as using Vikhers on the Su-25?

Edited August 4, 2012 by AceKng1

[WildBillKelsoe]

The Hellfire missile is actually either laser guided or radar guided. These still allow you to change the missile's target after launch. I don't think the A-10a ever carried Hellfires though.

 

I have no idea what munition Mar004 is remembering. Could you simply be remembering a different plane such as using Vikhers on the Su-25?

 

technically, the vikhrs could be guided, by slewing the designator as it's in mid-flight, but too much a separation from the beam, the missile rides the last remembered position just before the sever.

[Pyroflash]

The T-Toad had some TV guided bombs, however I don't ever remember there being any TV-command guided missiles in lockon or DCS.

[BTTW-DratsaB]

The standard Su25 in lockon had guided rockets, not tv guided though. You used the yellow piper on the "hud" and had control after launch.

[Tailgate]

The only sim that I remember having TV Guided bombs was in one of the old Jane's titles ( F-15E or possibly Jane's F/18 Superhornet). If I recall you could make some last minute adjustments on the flight path with the MFD buttons. It's been so long I'm not sure of the bomb designation or if it was reality based.

Edited August 5, 2012 by Tailgate

[Antonov225]

The only sim that I remember having TV Guided bombs was in one of the old Jane's titles ( F-15E or possibly Jane's F/18 Superhornet). If I recall you could make some last minute adjustments on the flight path with the MFD buttons. It's been so long I'm not sure of the bomb designation or if it was reality based.

 

In Jane's USAF, you could employ the GBU-15 and the AGM-130, the latter of which was real fun to fly with the joystick into a SCUD launcher some 20km away.

[Milene]

Tomahawks are not air launched and no they don't have a camera. They can be controlled in the sense that their target etc.can be updated during their flight, but they cannot be directly controlled.

 

mvsgas listed all the weapons with such a capability.

 

Agm109 was air launched ;)

 

[Mar044]

if you create a new mission and put a b52 to do a ship attack, it will lauch a crap load of cruise missles at the enemy ship, its fun to watch :p you should try it :p

 

as for what i remember, i guess maybe im thinking of another game, the only way i can be sure is to install modern air combat thats been on my shelf for a good number of years.

 

someone posted about the old su 25, ya lock on modern air combat had the old su 25, and the T model, the old version had a round hud with a analog crosshair etc. i actually found it easier to lock on to things with it, although the laser recharge time was long and you could only run the laser for 5 to 10 seconds before it started recharging to prevent it from burning out.

[BoneSaw]

You're confusing the maverick with the hellfire, which is wire guided.

 

The Hellfire is not a wire guided missile. You might be thinking of the TOW missile. The TOW is command guided via a wire hence the name TOW - Tube-launched Optically-tracked Wire-guided. It was typically fired off the AH1 series of helos but now it's used by us Scouts typically mounted on HUMVEEs and Bradleys.

 

And it's not TV guided, which is what the thread refers to.

[Amarok_73]

There was (is?) simulator named Jane's USAF, that have had implemented Walleye, and indeed, it was pretty neat feature. But AFAIR, none of ED product have had such weapon available.

 

EDIT:

Sorry Antonov225, I didn't noticed Your post.

[marcos]

To be able to change missile/bomb course after launch/pickle there must exist some means of communication between the weapon and the aircraft. A command wire like on the TOW. A laser like the vikhr and LGB's.

Or radio like on WWII anti-ship missiles that had a magnesium flare on the tail so you could see them.:D

 

The AGM-65E is laser guided I think, so maybe the OP is referring to that, if the A-10A had it???

Edited August 20, 2012 by marcos

[Razor5-1]

It's a marine and navy weapon, not fielded by the AF.