Oculus Rift and DCS World Discussion

[PeterP]

Too long; didn't read; the HUD needs to be rendered at infinity :smilewink:

, but don't needs any modification using the dual view-wort method.

 

 

 

I hope this additional sentence above is short enough for you.

 

And I think we both can now agree on it.

[Kuky]

The pity is that we only can rotate the view in the X/Y axis via the "monitorsetup.lua" for another view-port ( viewDx / viewDy ).

There is up to now no command for shifting the view lateral , right now all the view-ports share the same origin ( same pin hole camera). This can be used for simulating the view of a chameleon , but isn't usable for a stereoscopic simulation.

 

ED are already working on it:

_ = function(p) return p; end;

name = _('Stereo');

Description = 'Stereo render two viewports for left and right eye respectivelly'

Viewports =

{

Left =

{

x = 0;

y = 0;

width = screen.width * 0.5;

height = screen.height;

viewDx = -0.01;

viewDy = 0;

aspect = screen.aspect / 2;

eye_shift = -0.06;

},

Right =

{

x = screen.width * 0.5;

y = 0;

width = screen.width * 0.5;

height = screen.height;

viewDx = 0.01;

viewDy = 0;

aspect = screen.aspect / 2;

eye_shift = 0.06;

}

}

 

become a tester so you can try it out :)

[IAF_Phantom]

If I have a rift and do the changes above will I get a pictures that can be displayed correctly?

[Flim]

ED are already working on it:

 

 

become a tester so you can try it out :)

 

A little off.. just tried it

 

 

Be nice when the sdk is integrated....

[lefuneste01]

Place both sreenshots side by side and look at them

.

You will see that everything will fit without the need of edited shaders or adding a depth info to the HUD.

Markers and aiming reticles will point to the correct places.

I am sorry but I do not agree. You will have the same result as using 3DVISION : objects are drawed at their depth, as defined in the cockpit model. If they are modelized at a wrong depth, they could not be miraculously translated to the good one without knowing which it could be...

But it only needs to modelize HUD at the good depth in cockpit to fix the problem (as I did in my ka50 and A10C mod) and as it is now for UH 1 and P51 and maybe the Su 25A.

A more complex problem to fix is the depth of the cursor (which should vary according the objects behind it) and do not forget the labels and also all text messages /menu that are hard to read when in 3D mode.

I hope that DCS work on Oculus will solve all the current problem that the few 3dvision users encountered.

And also do not forget that you will have to compute two times each image when in3D: I had to go to SLI to keep good framerates in 3DVision..And The Oculus will only be usable with a very big resolution (all instrument and HUD should be readable with a natural 90° FOV)=> should have a huge impact on fps on standard PC....

[woodsman]

ED are already working on it:

 

 

become a tester so you can try it out :)

 

I have a dev kit, so where do I sign up to test?

[cichlidfan]

I have a dev kit, so where do I sign up to test?

 

ED will call you. ;)

[Frusheen]

ED will call you. ;)

 

I hope they call me too. I haven't used my monitor at all with DCS since I got the rift and Nthusim beta software. Native head tracking and 3d would be fantastic.

[DwoaC]

I hope they call me too. I haven't used my monitor at all with DCS since I got the rift and Nthusim beta software. Native head tracking and 3d would be fantastic.

 

I think somebody is having a little fun with you.

 

What you want to do is create a new file in your config\monitorSetup folder. You'l know you have the right folder because it has the 1camera.lua file in it. I called my new file stereo.lua. Then copy and paste the code from KuKy and save the file.

 

Then in options select your new stereo option from the monitor drop down menu.

 

That should get you started. I think the number for separation and convergence in the file are a bit off but its a great start.

 

EDIT: I take it back the numbers from KuKy look like their close to right. The scale maybe a little off for me but this is very close. The frame rate is so much better than tridef its not funny.

 

If anybody would like to try the same I used oculus overlay for the warping and facetracknoir for the head tracking.

Edited November 1, 2013 by DwoaC

[Frusheen]

I tried it and have stereo view in game but the convergence is all wrong for me and I have double vision. When I use oculus overlay I can't change any settings without having to alt tab out of DCS to overlay and by doing so I loose the DCS image so I'm editing blind.

 

Can anyone tell me how best to fine tune the view?

[hannibal]

hearing the prospect of Oculus Rift Supported DCS, is effin AMAZING!

[DwoaC]

I tried it and have stereo view in game but the convergence is all wrong for me and I have double vision. When I use oculus overlay I can't change any settings without having to alt tab out of DCS to overlay and by doing so I loose the DCS image so I'm editing blind.

 

Can anyone tell me how best to fine tune the view?

 

Hi Frushern

 

I had the same problem with double vision until I used oculus overlay. OO introduces a fair bit of latency so I am not advocating for it but it should be straight. All I had to change was zoom.

 

The procedure I used was

1 set resolution in config file to match dcs resolution

Set windows to extended mode with rift as second display

Turn off window mode in dcs.

Run OO and press z to send it to the oculus screen

Start a flight

Adjust zoom to fill fov

 

I hope that helps. I don't really have an urge to play this way the latency is too off putting but it's starting to come together and for that I thank Matt, Kuky and the team.

[Frusheen]

Thanks. I managed to adjust oculus overlay settings. I don't see any noticeable 3d and have poor latency. I know its early days and I may have done something wrong but for me the Nthusim solution is better at least for now.

 

Has anyone found an alternative to facetracknoir for tracking. I don't think it factors the latest rift firmware and the drift is terrible.

[SkateZilla]

Thanks. I managed to adjust oculus overlay settings. I don't see any noticeable 3d and have poor latency. I know its early days and I may have done something wrong but for me the Nthusim solution is better at least for now.

 

Has anyone found an alternative to facetracknoir for tracking. I don't think it factors the latest rift firmware and the drift is terrible.

 

Duct Tape Track IR Hat Clip to the top of the Unit, Win Win Scenerio,.

[Frusheen]

Duct Tape Track IR Hat Clip to the top of the Unit, Win Win Scenerio,.

 

Lol. Good one. No as bad as the drift is it's better than trackIR by a long way. Especially when flying a tight orbit in the Huey while holding a ground reference in the side window.

[SkateZilla]

I Meant, Duct Tape the Hat Clip to the top of it, And use Track IR for tracking.

 

Least that's what I did, shrug.

 

The location of the Hatclip when Taped to the top of the Unit, is identical to being on a hat brim.

 

also, dont use duct tape, use masking tape, or fabric/hockey tape.

 

Duct Tape and electrical tape caused some residual tracking problems due to reflecting the LEDs from the TrackIR Camera.

[Frusheen]

I Meant, Duct Tape the Hat Clip to the top of it, And use Track IR for tracking.

 

Least that's what I did, shrug.

 

The location of the Hatclip when Taped to the top of the Unit, is identical to being on a hat brim.

 

also, dont use duct tape, use masking tape, or fabric/hockey tape.

 

Duct Tape and electrical tape caused some residual tracking problems due to reflecting the LEDs from the TrackIR Camera.

 

Won't that prevent you having 1:1 tracking? I thought that would surely cause simulator sickness in the rift.

[Boberro]

I have some doubts for people with glasses (contact lenses).

 

If I have vision defect (-1 diopter), will I:

- see picture good because image is being generated just few centimeters from my eyes, so there wouldn't be a problem;

- see picture bad because even if picture is being generated so close, there is something like hmm "deep view" so it may look like watching from distance, thus I would see it blurred like in real life

 

If so is it comfortable to carry this thing and glasses at once?

[SkateZilla]

Track IR can be modified to use 1:1 Tracking.

 

There should be a One:One profile option in the TIR Software.

 

You would also have to extend the Hatclip's reflective surfaces to allow you to turn your head more.

Edited November 1, 2013 by SkateZilla

[SkateZilla]

I have some doubts for people with glasses (contact lenses).

 

If I have vision defect (-1 diopter), will I:

- see picture good because image is being generated just few centimeters from my eyes, so there wouldn't be a problem;

- see picture bad because even if picture is being generated so close, there is something like hmm "deep view" so it may look like watching from distance, thus I would see it blurred like in real life

 

If so is it comfortable to carry this thing and glasses at once?

 

Right now, the devkits allow you to adjust the distance between your eyes and the screen.

[Boberro]

Right now, the devkits allow you to adjust the distance between your eyes and the screen.

 

But would I see from such small distance clearly or bad without glasses?

Is there deep projection or it just looks like watching LCD screen, ie. looking at monitor at distance of 5 cm.

[SkateZilla]

There's multiple changeable lenses in the Devkits.

[tobaschi]

But would I see from such small distance clearly or bad without glasses?

Is there deep projection or it just looks like watching LCD screen, ie. looking at monitor at distance of 5 cm.

 

without my glasses i can't use the oculus

 

edit: ah and it's not like you are looking 5cm at LCD screen, it's more like you use night vision googles

Edited November 1, 2013 by tobaschi

[Frusheen]

Track IR can be modified to use 1:1 Tracking.

 

There should be a One:One profile option in the TIR Software.

 

You would also have to extend the Hatclip's reflective surfaces to allow you to turn your head more.

 

I tried it just to see. With the 1:1 setting I found it too restrictive. Perhaps if I extended the reflective surfaces as you say it would work but not as it is now. Hopefully native tracking isn't too far away and the facetracknoir drift problem won't be an issue anymore.

[SkateZilla]

6DoF is on the list for the consumer version.