Any new info?!

[Pizzicato]

So what are you trying to say ? 99 % of the content of my PC is DLC, downloading is second nature not DVD, we're not all totally computer literat you know ?

 

So the guy that sources 99% of his software online but doesn't know the difference between installing and downloading takes time out from a forum argument to nip down to his local store and buy a physical copy of X-Plane?

 

Is that what you're saying?

Edited April 24, 2013 by Pizzicato

[Raven68]

The hardcore fightsim genre differs from other genres in that a community exists - there's a relationship between the devs and the players.

Spot on Ham! :thumbup: There is a sense of belonging and being part of something special. I guess that's ONE of the reasons why I am locked into these forums.

[Subliminal-SS]

Tell you what you Whinny S**ts, you want a release date and a release

 

 

There you go, enjoy you're rushed release Menu

 

Get a grip and have some patience....

 

Nubs...

[Ham Sandwich]

Every passing day without a release is a day closer to release.

-Confucius

[Blaze]

I feel sorry for Belsimtek, hope all third party devs don't have to wait six months for a patch, so they can release there product ?

 

We don't. However, how would you like it if the product was released before the major game-blocking bugs were fixed? Things move along smoothly, however as new features are added to the game, things either get broken and need to be fixed again, or adjusted to use the new features. If we released a module that was not ready what would happen? People would be happy at first that it's released, then a few hours later go right back to complaining about this and that and oh why isn't this working and I can't believe I payed for this! You can't please everyone, but the developer has the right to release it when they feel it is ready for release. Period. You have no say in the matter, it's not your long hours that are being invested in creating the module, you just get to reap the benefits of all of their hard work in the end. So chill out, and let them work.

 

The problem is, you're acting like this is a customer/vendor relationship, and that you're being ripped off or something. You are not their customer. You have nothing invested, no stake, and nothing to lose here. A 3rd party developer "getting your hopes up" is not ground for indigence. They're just a bunch of guys trying to release a module, and they're encountering difficulties. They don't owe you anything, and as such you have no grounds to be a jerk towards them over these delays. Especially not when they're duly communicating with you when they see more delays.

 

As well, why are you giving them a hard time over the delays? They have a much larger stake in this than any prospective buyer. Releasing this product is how these guy plan to put food on their families' tables. Do you not think that if they could have released by now that they would have? What exactly are you criticizing? Are you suggesting they're withholding release for nefarious reasons? Or are you saying they're wrong not to release a product that's not yet ready for release? Or are you calling them incompetent for not having it [the most complex PC based helicopter sim to date] ready yet?

 

Don't get me wrong. I'm dying to play this module, and i feel the frustrastion too with each day that goes by, but at the same time, I recognize that my only investment in this is my own excitement to play, and as such, i have no authority to give someone grief over something i haven't yet paid for, especially when I know damn well they're doing thier best, and even if they weren't, i'd still be in no position to criticize them, because who the #@$& am I? I'm just some guy who wants to buy their product if/when they release it.

 

Thank you for restoring a small bit of my faith in humanity. :)

[Ham Sandwich]

Spot on Ham! :thumbup: There is a sense of belonging and being part of something special. I guess that's ONE of the reasons why I am locked into these forums.

 

Me too. I wouldn't be coming on to these forums so frequently if there weren't a dialogue between the devs and the fans. I'd just be going straight to the ED product page. And whether poeple realize it or not, they're on these forums for the very same reason.

[Ham Sandwich]

(beer # 6)

 

....having said all that, lets' go, make with the Huey! j/k

[Lt.Seahawk]

We don't. However, how would you like it if the product was released before the major game-blocking bugs were fixed? Things move along smoothly, however as new features are added to the game, things either get broken and need to be fixed again, or adjusted to use the new features. If we released a module that was not ready what would happen? People would be happy at first that it's released, then a few hours later go right back to complaining about this and that and oh why isn't this working and I can't believe I payed for this! You can't please everyone, but the developer has the right to release it when they feel it is ready for release. Period. You have no say in the matter, it's not your long hours that are being invested in creating the module, you just get to reap the benefits of all of their hard work in the end. So chill out, and let them work.

 

 

 

Thank you for restoring a small bit of my faith in humanity. :)

 

Totally admit to that one! Have seen that happen on other games, you just don't want have angry customers crying and complaining just right after releasing the product.

 

Well, I hope this makes sense to most of the people waiting, just image the Huey being released and not working for most of the people.... Oh lord you don't want to be on these forums then ;)

Edited April 24, 2013 by Lt.Seahawk

[arteedecco]

@Ham Sandwich basically nailed it down. :chair:

 

It all just comes down to being respectful and mindful. It's real people behind these avatar names who participate in this community because it is fun... hardcore sims like this are a niche market and 3rd party modules are a means to getting a cool new aircraft rather than making any kind of big $$. They basically make enough to pay for the effort of building out the new module.... maybe.

 

As others have said... the anger and impatience expressed by a way too vocal minority is misdirected. It's okay to say you're tired of waiting... it's okay to be civil and friendly and encouraging... it's okay to ask for an update. But treat the people making this sim better like your friends because that's just who they are... not some faceless conglomerate forcing money out of your wallet.

 

Please don't make the experience of making a 3rd party module such a bad experience that they don't want to make more, or opt to stay out of the forums.

[RedRain]

(on my 5th beer)

 

Bingo.

 

Those of us who can see this situation for what it is realize there's no grounds for, nor use for hostile sentiment towards belsimtek over delays. They're doing their best.

 

What gets my goat is that people are acting like this is CoD, or BF3 or something.

 

This product isn't even released yet, and i've already had it's developers acknowledge and accept my (a nobody's) suggestions, and with their thanks no less.

 

The hardcore fightsim genre differs from other genres in that a community exists - there's a relationship between the devs and the players. Anyone who values the level of gameplay, the constant support, constant improvements with patches, should also value that relationship because that relationship at the core of why this genre is so good.

 

Making baselss accusations, attacking developers, and general hostility towards devs (especially when the issues causing said hostility aren't the devs fault) is undeniably harmful to that relationship, and by extension the genre.

 

Look, these guys are doing their best. If you doubt that, then articulate your accusation. What is it you think these guys are doing wrong? If you're truly right in your criticism, then the devs should have use for it, no? Or are you just voicing your frustration in a way that's intended to hurt those you think are responsible for your frustration?

 

And sorry RedRain, I don't mean to single you out, you're not the only one. But I just feel the need to stand up for these devs at this point. I can only imagine what it must be like to be in their shoes right now, not being able to release their product, not being able to generate income, and at the same time getting $#!# all over for it by the community.

 

Too many sensitive new age guys here, I wonder how many still live with mum ? The fact of the matter is, the only time the devs seem to respond is if someone spits the dummy. When they do ( spit the dummy) you get this overbearing volume of the same people who appear to share the same bed, spouting the same cliche's & retrik (when it's done, when it's finished,when it's ready, and the devs are doing it from the kindness of there heart) Pffff. This forum is feeling more like a cult than a community. It's a shame the devs arn't more proactive than reactive, this is my whole point. We are all potential customers and PR is a crucial part of any business. Talk to us and we shall understand ? Label me a heathen, then so be it, no doubt you will be thanking EB for the update, thanks for the update EB.I don't expect any support, the masses are to passive, though I'm sure many think likewise ?

[ec-swr]

A beautiful sunny day here :music_whistling:

[drummer]

I don't think it is wrong to ask a question abut how thngs are going or to expect an update every couple of days on progress. One person's idea of 'soon or 'when its done' can be very different from anothers, so information from developers would help. It is wrong to get angry or rude about whatever information that is given, I am sure EVERYONE wants this module released but only when it is complete and bug free.:doh:

 

For Ham sandwhich, off topic but where i live we have two villages called ham & sandwich with a road sign pointing to 'ham sandwhich' which of course is regularly stolen by visiting students..!:smartass:

[Suchacz]

A beautiful sunny day here :music_whistling:

...and what's the mood in Barcelona after yesterdays Munich visit? :devil_2:

[TimeKilla]

np EvilBivol-1 :thumbup:

 

Take ur time :music_whistling:

[Lt.Seahawk]

I don't think that this is the place to argue about who's acting right or wrong in some cases due to the fact that this thread was mainly created to post new info.

 

I guess this splits the young boys from the old ones that used to hang around here and know how buisness runs in the ED Community. I'm personally so satisfied with the informations coming in from the DEVs. And we had enough pictures and videos coming in the last days and weeks, I just don't see the point in complaining and asking the same question everyday.

 

Wags usually quotes this absolutely correct:

 

" It's done when its done."

 

Whoever doesn't feel comfortable with that kind of information might consider another game.

 

(Just my point of view)

[Irregular programming]

" It's done when its done."

 

Whoever doesn't feel comfortable with that kind of information might consider another game.

 

(Just my point of view)

 

Indeed. :thumbup:

[ec-swr]

...and what's the mood in Barcelona after yesterdays Munich visit? :devil_2:

 

:badmood: bad temper :doh:

 

nevertheless

 

 

 

In munich not have this :D

[Cedaway]

Too many sensitive new age guys here, I wonder how many still live with mum ? The fact of the matter is, the only time the devs seem to respond is if someone spits the dummy. When they do ( spit the dummy) you get this overbearing volume of the same people who appear to share the same bed, spouting the same cliche's & retrik (when it's done, when it's finished,when it's ready, and the devs are doing it from the kindness of there heart) Pffff. This forum is feeling more like a cult than a community. It's a shame the devs arn't more proactive than reactive, this is my whole point. We are all potential customers and PR is a crucial part of any business. Talk to us and we shall understand ? Label me a heathen, then so be it, no doubt you will be thanking EB for the update, thanks for the update EB.I don't expect any support, the masses are to passive, though I'm sure many think likewise ?

 

Devs have communicated with us when they could.

At first, they can't because of legal issue; then they gave us the needed info:

- Explanation on why there were no communication,

- Shots and videos of there products,

- Explanations on the delay of the release (need to wait for 1.2.4 patch,...)

 

What the hell do you want more? The release date? Will be communicated when known.

And what do you want from the community? The mood is good and fun on the forum. Is that a problem?

You stated that the 'masses are to passive'. I don't understand the point. The 'masses' are just waiting. Why? Because it's the only thing we, masses, can do but to wait... With enthousiasm and joy. :)

 

"This forum is feeling more like a cult than a community." Yes, you're right. Again, is it a problem?

 

"I don't expect any support". So why are you crying? ;)

 

"I wonder how many still live with mum ?" Seriously?

 

Have a nice day.

Edited April 24, 2013 by Cedaway

[johno1066]

Since signing off on all of the legal documents preventing us from talking about the product earlier, we've been providing substantial updates and media I'd say about every few days. If that's not enough communication to satisfy your needs and stop you from cursing on our forum, then maybe you do need to look for another place to post.

 

I am sorry that our plans keep slipping, but that's the reality we are working with. If it's too much for you to handle, all the more reason to mind your posting attitude.

 

We are still in final testing. The release could happen any day, but I don't know on which day in particular it will happen.

 

That's the kind of honesty I like in a developer, no unrealistic expectations leading to disapointment, just the truth. Thanks for the update, appreciated.

 

ps, evilbivol, are you able give us an idea of how many man hours have gone into the huey and the 1.2.4 patch? would be useful in allowing us mere mortals to appreciate just how much work goes into these products (works of art even).

Edited April 24, 2013 by johno1066

[Cowboy10uk]

Wow i don't post for a few days and it seems all hell has broken lose in here.

 

Look guys, I can understand you're frustration, I really can. Hell there's certain evidence that I'm become known about being passionant about getting this aircraft. ;)

 

Yes a few weeks ago, all indications pointed to the module being out any day, and I do believe the EB, honestly thought that would be the case as well. However as normally happens in the world of PC simming, the product has been delayed, and if I had to put money on it, I honestly believe that it is delayed only because of the 1.2.4 patch. Nothing else. But it is a patch that needs to be released first before we can get the Huey module.

 

If that is the case, I'm sure it is just as, if not more frustrating to the team at Belsimtek, than it is to us. This is their hard work, and many hrs of love just sitting there on a server unable to be flown, through no fault of their own. That has to be frustrating beyond believe, and now not only that a few of the community that was all behind them a few weeks ago, seems to be turning their guns on them. So now they have to deal with people accusing them of lying or not giving them any information.

 

Now granted this is only my opinion, but I will agree that at first there was a distinct lack of info coming from Belsimtek, but that was explained to us, that it was because of certain legal issues they were working through, which turned out to be getting this product and hopefully future products to be Offical Bell products which is a great touch. :thumbup:

 

Since the legal issues were sorted, we have had update after update, not to mention numerous videos and Screenshots provided to us. Much more than we normally get. Ok yes we havnt had much info regarding how long the delay is going to be, but again I strongly believe that is because Belsimtek have no idea themselves. That side is purely in the hands of ED.

 

However one thing I think we have all forgotten, is at NO stage were we ever given a release date. Since we have never gotten a date, then technically they have not delayed it. The expected release time was something we the community guessed with the info and media coming out, and well we got it wrong.

 

When the Huey turns up it will be amazing, and I'm sure well worth the wait, but until the time when we turn on and see that buy button, we just need to be patent.

 

Fly the blackshark, A10 or P51, fly FC3 or even take a long haul flight in FSX or Xplane. Go and visit WW1 France in a biplane, or fight the battle of Britain in a spit. As simmers we have many many choices to pass the time, most will cause us to lose a fair few hours without trying, hell if your really desperate you could even spend it with your significant others. ;)

 

But the main thing is NOT, to self destruct, don't take out your frustrations on each other, ED or Belsimtek. We are getting a Huey, we know that and at end of the day that is all that matters.

 

Yes each day it Dosnt turn up, is frustrating, but it's not the end of the world.

 

Cowboy10uk

Edited April 24, 2013 by Cowboy10uk

[Ham Sandwich]

Too many sensitive new age guys here, I wonder how many still live with mum ?

 

Very mature.

 

I'm actually inclined to believe that the person crying "I want my video game now! Not later! I don't care if it's finished! Gimme gimme gimme or I'm taking my money elsewhere!" is in fact the one who still lives with mum.

[BavarianPilot]

Wow i don't post for a few days and it seems all hell has broken lose in here.

 

Look guys, I can understand you're frustration, I really can. Hell there's certain evidence that I'm become known about being passionant about getting this aircraft. ;)

 

Yes a few weeks ago, all indications pointed to the module being out any day, and I do believe the EB, honestly thought that would be the case as well. However as normally happens in the world of PC simming, the product has been delayed, and if I had to put money on it, I honestly believe that it is delayed only because of the 1.2.4 patch. Nothing else. But it is a patch that needs to be released first before we can get the Huey module.

 

If that is the case, I'm sure it is just as, if not more frustrating to the team at Belsimtek, than it is to us. This is their hard work, and many hrs of love just sitting there on a server unable to be flown, through no fault of their own. That has to be frustrating beyond believe, and now not only that a few of the community that was all behind them a few weeks ago, seems to be turning their guns on them. So now they have to deal with people accusing them of lying or not giving them any information.

 

Now granted this is only my opinion, but I will agree that at first there was a distinct lack of info coming from Belsimtek, but that was explained to us, that it was because of certain legal issues they were working through, which turned out to be getting this product and hopefully future products to be Offical Bell products which is a great touch. :thumbup:

 

Since the legal issues were sorted, we have had update after update, not to mention numerous videos and Screenshots provided to us. Much more than we normally get. Ok yes we havnt had much info regarding how long the delay is going to be, but again I strongly believe that is because Belsimtek have no idea themselves. That side is purely in the hands of ED.

 

However one thing I think we have all forgotten, is at NO stage were we ever given a release date. Since we have never gotten a date, then technically they have not delayed it. The expected release time was something we the community guessed with the info and media coming out, and well we got it wrong.

 

When the Huey turns up it will be amazing, and I'm sure well worth the wait, but until the time when we turn on and see that buy button, we just need to be patent.

 

Fly the blackshark, A10 or P51, fly FC3 or even take a long haul flight in FSX or Xplane. Go and visit WW1 France in a biplane, or fight the battle of Britain in a spit. As simmers we have many many choices to pass the time, most will cause us to lose a fair few hours without trying, hell if your really desperate you could even spend it with your significant others. ;)

 

But the main thing is NOT, to self destruct, don't take out your frustrations on each other, ED or Belsimtek. We are getting a Huey, we know that and at end of the day that is all that matters.

 

Yes each day it Dosnt turn up, is frustrating, but it's not the end of the world.

 

Cowboy10uk

 

+1 with you

[mnrty]

It looks like people in here are forgetting that we are waiting on ED, not Belsimtek.

They have given us plenty of good movies to watch, tutorials to learn and study, and the manual to read and memorize!

I personally think the Huey have been ready for a while,but with the big changelog that 1.2.4 brings us make it go slower. Like 90% above me have said,its done when its done. One more day woth delay, means a better final product.

 

Thanks EvilBivol, for all the great documentation and movies to watch, i for one is just getting more and more excited as the days goes by! :D

[Mt5_Roie]

Yes each day it Dosnt turn up, is frustrating, but it's not the end of the world.

 

Cowboy10uk

 

+1 rep Cowboy.

 

The internet seems to be one big complain department. So looking at my crystal ball here's how this will play out:

 

1.2.4 is released - people complain download speeds are too slow. People complain they can't connect to server because servers aren't updated or other way around. People complain their FPS is too high now and is causing them to have post dramatic syndrome.

 

Huey is released - People complain the price is too high. People complain that it's not 100% correct (even though they forget it's a beta). People complain that the KA-50 guys keep shooting them down and start demanding nuclear tipped rockets.

 

In a world where almost everything has a release date (heck you can even schedule a c-section for when it's a good time for you to give birth) it's' kind of nice to have that unknown release date.

 

So just sit back and relax.

[Baracuda]

Very mature.

 

I'm actually inclined to believe that the person crying "I want my video game now! Not later! I don't care if it's finished! Gimme gimme gimme or I'm taking my money elsewhere!" is in fact the one who still lives with mum.

 

 

Im glad i am not living with mum anymore.

I understand much better now where al the buttons and switches are for ;)

 

 

The good things abouth all the questions is , its a good indicator for belsim to know that there DCS product is wanted and if enough people actually buy it i am sure we wil face more of there plendid modules for DCS.

 

Ty belsim.:thumbup: