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Do you mean ?

 

If so, then the answer is it's another - completely different - plane.

 

Ok, that was the question. :)

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What does scripted FM mean? If I land do I not have complete control over the jet? Are there pre-scripted sequences it runs through instead? What does "scripted" REALLY mean?

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What does scripted FM mean? If I land do I not have complete control over the jet? Are there pre-scripted sequences it runs through instead? What does "scripted" REALLY mean?

In DCS physical parameters like momentum are conserved on landing. In FC, they aren't. Your vertical momentum is zero instantly upon touching the ground.

 

I personally haven't felt a change in FC3, but I'm more interested in the other features, so I haven't really explored the landing physics much.

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In DCS physical parameters like momentum are conserved on landing. In FC, they aren't. Your vertical momentum is zero instantly upon touching the ground.

 

So then I can land with a too high rate of descent and not not break the jet?

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I landed a few times with the Su-27 last night, it's like a magnet on a metal plate. Basically the same as in Flanker 2.0 over 12 years ago, the same goes for the 3D model. Ok ok! I won't nag anymore, I know it will be fixed soon.

 

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I landed a few times with the Su-27 last night, it's like a magnet on a metal plate. Basically the same as in Flanker 2.0 over 12 years ago, the same goes for the 3D model. Ok ok! I won't nag anymore, I know it will be fixed soon.

 

Let's hope, that's a big problem for me.

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Let's hope, that's a big problem for me.

 

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Have you tried it yet Mower?

 

Well I have flown 100+ hours online with FC2 so am familiar with the sim.

 

I have A10C for comparison, flew that for 300+ hours online so far.

 

Waiting for purchase authority from the PTVCW to get FC3.

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What does scripted FM mean? If I land do I not have complete control over the jet? Are there pre-scripted sequences it runs through instead? What does "scripted" REALLY mean?

Long story short - scripted FM often relies on programmer's gimmicks instead of actual dynamic, continuous calculations done by dynamics model. An example would be:

wheels on the runway level => stop descend + [implications made up by the programmer]

 

in a dynamic modeling:

wheel/runway interaction results in an introduction of a new force with all possible consequences that result from the force, based on the dynamic model ; the consequences are up to the model ; the programmer can screw up the model but not the specific scenario (here - touchdown)

 

 

blah blah blah...

 

 

In case of Lock On standard FM it can often be described as "dynamic but not always taking all phenomenas into account .

 

 

Usually the consequences of bad dynamic arise from insufficient tweaking (coefficients in formulas, model verification/testing) and are less severe than consequences of programmers gimmicks. It's like with animations in movies. They usually suck because it's animators (?) who decide of the movement of objects - not dynamic models.

 

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Do you mean ?

 

If so, then the answer is it's another - completely different - plane.

 

Yeah! The Su25 and 25T are different planes...but they are similar in that they both have a dynamic FM. What surprised me is the A-10C FM is probably exactly the same as the A-10A, so I don't understand why we didn't get the same FM for A-10A. But anyways.... I know thats a different issue...at this point, the most annoying and disappointing thing in FC3 is the landing model. I think we all were very happy when it was announced that the landing model will be improved. I hope this advanced ground handling is really implemented in the final release.

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Hi to everyone,

I'm really thinking about buying FC3, although from what I read on the boards it seems that ED is really focusing on the F-15C, not working too much on the remaining planes. To me, the only interest I could have in FC3 is for the russian planes, the A-10 and the Eagle can be locked in the hangar for what I care. Now, I've seen some bad pictures of poorly modeled and textured Su-27 which was really a let down for me. Is this module of any interest for someone who wants to fly with the aforementioned jets? Or should I just wait for someone to make a DCS: Mig-29 module? (I would really pay heavy cash for that last option :P )

 

Regards.

 

 

 

The answer is simple :

 

YES.

 

Since you want to fly russian planes, that's your only alternative !!! :music_whistling:

So yeah buy it. 3D models sucks, gameplay is worse than FC1, bug list is page long, network code is a nightmare since 1.2.2..... But it's better than staying down the ground in a T72, playing human target for A10C players. :D

 

DCS: Mig29 will happen ...one day. It seems that no one will work on it until most US aircraft made in the last 50 years are completed. So stick around, we'll have it... eventually before 2020. :cry: I suggest you have a look to Bcezl's mig21bis, which is a little older hardware, but is not far from release and look very, very good !

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But it's better than staying down the ground in a T72, playing human target for A10C players.

 

LOL...BTW US fighter jets have much better avionics so Im quite happy about that focus. :thumbup:

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Nice: I was flying FC3 with my headphones on, as I suddenly heard a strange buzzing sound while in a combat manoevre ... I immediately disengaged and started to check all dials to see what was malfunctioning ... as I gradually realized my wife just put on a hairdryer :D

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Gotta love surround sound...

 

Not when its the yapping wifey... :D

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It can be worse than Bitchin' Betty. My friends wife is name Betty too.

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in its current state absolutely...NOT

"The art of simulation design is about understanding limited fidelity...

 

...compromises must be made. Designers have to consider cost vs. fidelity and processor time vs. fidelity. Additional trade-offs must be made between graphics, AI, flight models, number of units and more...

 

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Limited 6DOF is easy to do. Files already up in the modsection.

 

Where can I get limited 6DOF without extreme angles that show holes in the cockpit? Is limited 6DOF available for FC3 that matches the FC2 limited 6DOF?

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Posted
So then I can land with a too high rate of descent and not not break the jet?

No, breaking the jet involves going over a threshold value for vertical momentum/speed.

 

Basically if v is greater than x, the plane explodes

 

if v is less than x, the v is set to zero when you touch the ground

 

v = vertical velocity

x = some value of v

 

In DCS v must be dissipated by energy absorbers in the landing gear, but this can lead to the plane being thrown back into the air, or the gear absorbing too much energy and breaking.

 

*Note I don't know what the code does, this is what I can infer looking in from the outside.

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Posted (edited)

So worth it !!! well just for the SU-25A ;) so yes get it for this one.. I didn't even setup any controls for any others on FC3.. no need.. F15C looking good and you can make nice pictures and learn the Weapons systems.

 

if you like FC2 well yeas FC3

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So worth it !!! well just for the SU-25A ;) so yes get it for this one.. I didn't even setup any controls for any others on FC3.. no need.. F15C looking good and you can make nice pictures and learn the Weapons systems.

 

if you like FC2 well yeas FC3

 

Apart from having different systems, how is FC3's Su-25A better than the DCSW Su-25T?

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Apart from having different systems, how is FC3's Su-25A better than the DCSW Su-25T?

Neither is better, they're just different.

 

Think of the 25A as a cross between the P-51 and the Su-25T.

 

I think the A is lighter than the T, and more agile as a result, but the HUD is probably less complex than the P-51's.

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Agreed.. two AFM aircraft that are the gold of DCS :) ............... aerobatics, dogfiht take off, landing.. shooting are very fun ;)

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somthing niggling away at me about FC3, i cant decide to get it or not, but i think i can explain why. FC3 i can only describe as a port of a game. this is what puts me off. how it sits with everything else etc. i feel a bit sad about that. but i also think within the new architecture of world, Ed could have easily defined a new IP to take LO/FC to a new era simply through a reformat of the existing content and delivery with a new name. and a new reason to "flog" it !

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