DCS Vietnam??

[The_Pharoah]

hi guys

 

I posted this in the wishlist but wanted to know others feedback. Basically we have the following in development:

 

- Mig21

- A7 Corsair II

- UH-1 Huey

- F100 (I think)

 

It would be awesome if someone (ie. DCS or 3rd parties) could make the following atleast:

 

- F4 Phantom II

- F105 Thunderchief

- South East Asia map covering Vietnam (North & South), Cambodia, Laos, Thailand or parts of it.

 

THEN we'd have the makings of a DCS Vietnam type campaign where the F4s escort the F105s to North Vietnam to be confronted by SAMs and Mig21s, with F105s doing Wild Weasel flights to suppress SAMs. They would also require air to air refueling. The Hueys would also be in their 'element' ie. flying from FOB to FOB, doing gun runs, etc.

 

Other 'nice to haves' could be:

 

- A6 Intruder

- A4 Skyhawk (USN)

- A1 Douglas Skyraider ("Spad") - (USN/USAF) - for CAS/SAR missions

- CH53 "Jolly Green Giant" - for SAR missions

- F111

- Mig 17

 

What do you think? Too far fetched?

Edited January 24, 2013 by The_Pharoah
Added a/c

[Paganus]

I'm all for it,

 

The overview video lists the AH-1G, which is the Vietnam Cobra.

 

The OH-58 is named but we don't know if it is the A model that also served there.

[Ripcord]

Would like to see the A-6 Intruder in that list as well.

 

I think it would have a good following, with all these aircraft.

[The_Pharoah]

Would like to see the A-6 Intruder in that list as well.

 

I think it would have a good following, with all these aircraft.

 

Added to the original post - how could I forget the A6?? lol...the USAF/USN/USMC used so many diff a/c over there - I've pasted the wiki list below:

• A-1 Skyraider ground attack aircraft
  
• A-37 Dragonfly ground attack aircraft
  
• F-5 Freedom Fighterlight-weight, low-cost fighter used in strike aircraft role
  
• A-4 Skyhawk carrier borne strike aircraft
  
• A-6 Intruder carrier borne all weather strike aircraft
  
• A-7 Corsair II carrier borne strike aircraft
  
• AH-1 Cobra attack helicopter
  
• AC-47 Spooky gunship (four) with the 1st Air Cavalry Division
  
• AC-130 "Spectre" Gunship
  
• AC-119G "Shadow" Gunship
  
• AC-119K "Stinger" Gunship
  
• B-52 Stratofortress heavy bomber
  
• B-57 Canberra medium bombers - used by the U.S. Air Force
  
• Canberra B.20 Royal Australian Air Force medium bomber
  
• F-4 Phantom II carrier and land based fighter-bomber
  
• F-8 Crusader carrier and land based fighter-bomber
  
• F-105 Thunderchief fighter-bomber
  
• F-100 Super Sabre fighter-bomber
  
• F-101 Voodoo (RF-101) fighter-bomber/reconnaissance plane
  
• F-102 Delta Dagger fighter
  
• F-104 Starfighter fighter
  
• F-111 Aardvark medium bomber
  
• OH-6 Cayuse Transport/ Observation helicopter
  
• OH-58 Kiowa Transport/ Observation helicopter
  
• OV-10 Bronco, light attack/observation aircraft
  
• UH-1 "Huey" gunship role (various models)
  

[Cali]

Although I have zero interest in this and would not buy it, they might have to get into different era's. I'm a modern day fighter guy and would love for them to stick with that. However, with many modern aircraft, lots of things are still classified. I will only buy modern DCS models period.

[SkateZilla]

RazBam has Meshes for

 

A-1, A-4, A-6, A-7, F-8

 

 

F-104 is being Done

F-100 is being Done

F-86 is being Done.

 

Im pretty sure over 3/4 of that list is already on a Studios WIP list.

[speckfire]

Whaaat??? No Mig-17??? This aint nam then ;)

[The_Pharoah]

Whaaat??? No Mig-17??? This aint nam then ;)

 

lol yeah sorry, added that too. I knew all of these additional a/c but I just wanted to sort of prove a point that with all the current a/c in development (except the new stuff I saw above which I didn't know about), we could practically have a Vietnam campaign.

 

Whilst I like modern day a/c, I LOVE historical battles rather than make believe. I've been reading a lot about F105 pilots who flew in Vietnam (100 missions) and so would love to recreate the missions they flew. Besides, think about...Vietnam would be an excellent campaign to do - lots of a/c, SAMs, bombing, air to air refueling, carrier ops (from just off the coast), etc etc etc.

[BRooDJeRo]

Modern day aircraft for me too pretty much. Although the Vietnam era is a percievable ideaplatform for a simulator, i think what happened there shouldn't get too much happy-pappy. Two of my personal reasons i might be less interested. (Aircraft design with agent dispensing into mind for irradicating babies, troops being payed by the ear)

Edited January 24, 2013 by BRooDJeRo

[Exorcet]

Modern day aircraft for me too pretty much. Although the Vietnam era is a percievable ideaplatform for a simulator, i think what happened there shouldn't get too much happy-pappy. Two of my personal reasons i might be less interested. (Aircraft design with agent dispensing into mind for irradicating babies, troops being payed by the ear)

All war is terrible, all war is interesting.

 

Focusing on a particular conflict doesn't mean you condone it.

 

As for me, I think DCS should cover everything from WWI to today.

[The_Pharoah]

Agreed. But again, I'm only concentrating on the Vietnam conflict due to the large scale jet action that took place - probably on a greater scale than anything that has happened before or since (except probably Korea).

 

However, the same could probably be said for WW2...we do have a P51..I understand an FW190 is on its way...we just need an ME109K and a Spit IX and we'd be good (for starters anyway).

[Vitesse2l]

I'd like to see DCS Vietnam.

 

Seems to me the combat is more interesting without modern missiles and avionics and the aircraft from that era were pretty special.

 

I can imagine the howls of anguish over the tree issue, though. Charlie may not surf, but he can see through trees!

[robert123456]

i would love a vietnam map and a ww2 since it has been mentioned. Although i like all modern jets for me its a lot more fun to have planes that can be modeled closer to what they are, its just better to be able to learn almost everything from an older aircraft that very little of a modern one, so older aircraft = more fun to me.

 

Now i wonder how much fun would it be to carpet bomb with a b52 :joystick:

 

I agree that the mig 15/17 should be brought since they are as iconic as the 21.

 

Anyway in the overview video there is mention of diferent historic periods so lets hope that means just that.

[Kaktus29]

the problem with Vietnam and the biggest one is the MAP, how do you map it without killing the frame rates.. we are talking about a jungle environment, where there are millions of trees, big, small, bushy, not so bushy, rivers, .. i think it would be a disaster to try to model any realistic map, ..

 

..something simplified yes, but then, we are talking arcade map, that looses the appeal of ground forces battling it out, and chopper action since if the map is crap chopper missions loose their lustre..

 

I do agree, that totally realistic flight modules are much better than something half-done like it is with modern fighters today. ... so completely realistic DCS phantom or DCS mig-21, mig-17,19, would be awesome since you are dealing with a plane that is simulated to the last turbine blade correctly.. and missiles don't play the biggest part so we are dealing with pilot abilities, tactics, etc..

[Madone]

If we can achieve a wall of burning napalm I'd go for it! lol

[The_Pharoah]

well, the jungles don't have to be detailed (this isn't BF3) and I'm sure there's a way of reducing the # of polygons or whatever they use to lessen the impact on FPS. Still though....I reckon this has merit.

[KingKenny04]

Sorry to bump a dead (?) thread, but I would KILL for a DCS: A-4 Skyhawk

[The_Pharoah]

this isn't an old thread! :) I'd take an F105 or an F4 II over an A4 any day!

[evilnate]

I think a Vietnam scenario would be nice, after ED completes their modern plans. I would love to see a modern fictional theater involving the Koreans, China, Japan, and the US.

[The_Pharoah]

From March Newsletter:

 

"While our products initially started with a focus on modern day jets, this is now expanding to include World War 2, Korea, Vietnam and modern day content" [italics added]

 

woo hoo!! :)

 

now imagine this....jump into DCS World and choose a Vietnam scenario:

- US side flies F105 Thunderchiefs (bombing), F4 Phantoms (MIG CAP), F100 Super Sabre (bombing)

- South East Asia map ("SEA")

- air to air refueling tankers in/out bound

- NVA side flies Mig 17s, 19s, 21s

- NVA side also has combined arms capability (ie. to manage the numerous AAA and SAM sites)

- the US side could also have FAC a/c ie. OV10s, O-1s, etc

 

mmmmmm.....the possibilities are endless

[Jona33]

From March Newsletter:

 

"While our products initially started with a focus on modern day jets, this is now expanding to include World War 2, Korea, Vietnam and modern day content" [italics added]

 

woo hoo!! :)

 

now imagine this....jump into DCS World and choose a Vietnam scenario:

- US side flies F105 Thunderchiefs (bombing), F4 Phantoms (MIG CAP), F100 Super Sabre (think you mean weaseling. :D)

- South East Asia map ("SEA")

- air to air refueling tankers in/out bound

- NVA side flies Mig 17s, 19s, 21s

- NVA side also has combined arms capability (ie. to manage the numerous AAA and SAM sites)

- the US side could also have FAC a/c ie. OV10s, O-1s, etc

 

mmmmmm.....the possibilities are endless

 

Fixed.

[q800]

Dudes, slow down a bit and get real.

 

What Vietnam?

What you're talking about are tons of enormous work for years.

Look what we've got, after those many years: 3 machines and 2 of them still needs some fixes (don't count FC3 stuff, it's FC not DCS), Nevada map, that is too long in developmnent and 2 birds near release (UH and Mig). And all of these together have no real, historical or coherent in any other way background that connects them and justify their existence in first place. I'm perfectly fine with that. I just hope DCS level of simulation is not going to be watered down with some half functional birds with simplified avionics in order to release more birds in shorter time. Cheers

 

I'm great fan of what these guys doing here and i fly them birds every day, but sorry for breaking dreams of yours (hehe, and mine)

Edited March 29, 2013 by q800

[Pikey]

It is true. For the advanced study sims the vehicle list is about 20 years work at ED's rate (which i'm fine with). The backbone could be provided with a good A4+Carrier sim and an F4 by 3rd party and perhaps a community driven terrain once we get the hang of the EDGE tools, but then every 3rd party that has announced vehicles so far has offered more than one which puts us 5 years out to start work.

[BIGNEWY]

Anything to encourage a new theater of conflict in DCS

 

The time frame does not come into it, that's the role of the mission designer.

 

Hopefully when EDGE has a SDK we will see this in action

[badger66]

You forgot a lot in your first post .

 

AH-1 Skyraider ..... cool

A-6 Intruder

F-8 Crusader

Mig-17

Mig-19

A-4 Shyhawk

 

But I have a feeling it would be very one sided .

 

For me a 1970 to 1990 European theatre would be much more exciting and even sided ..... but with all this machinery , Ill be retired before its all done and dusted ..... and I got another 19 years before that happens , I think !!!