Vivoune Posted March 14, 2013 Posted March 14, 2013 Hi guys, I really am in need of rudder pedals though I don't really feel like buying plastic considering I'm in the process of equiping myself with hardware that might be expensive at first but that will last for years and years to come. The Saitek pedals, as nice as they are just doesn't cut it imho. I am willing to spend 2 or 3 times its price for a product that would be more reliable and last me for a looooong time. Still my budget isn't unlimited and I'm not willing to spend $2000. The Simpeds sounded very nice but sadly they are discontinued. As a result My choice comes down to two products: -the VKB rudder pedals Mk.21-3 -and the Spanish RealSimulator one (Assuming they still manufacture them, I am in the process of contacting them, I still don't have a price tag) So far I'd be more inclined to get the 2nd option. I was wondering if you could provide me with some.. input. What you guys would choose and why? Any insight truly will be appreciated. Cheers [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Panthro Posted March 15, 2013 Posted March 15, 2013 I cant say first hand but I have heard good things about the latter from those who can. [sIGPIC]http://forums.eagle.ru/signaturepics/sigpic86362_2.gif[/sIGPIC]
Vivoune Posted March 15, 2013 Author Posted March 15, 2013 Indeed that's what I gathered too, thanks. I still haven't heard from RealSim, but from what I could find after digging a bit, the price for that set is around $2200 and that's second-hand deals. If it turns out that 2K+ really is the price then I guess the choice will be very easy to make, especially considering it 'simply' is supported by linear potentiometers while the VKB has digital sensors D-MaRS all over. ^^ [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
whartsell Posted March 15, 2013 Posted March 15, 2013 it also appears that the second set uses a gameport and not usb. At least thats what the article states but it is really old. Gameport is a deal breaker for me. I cant stand the looks of the first set. If they would change the pedals to look more like a commercial or combat jet i would be very happy Arduino,EOS and Helios Tutorial Static ATC menu mod
Vivoune Posted March 15, 2013 Author Posted March 15, 2013 (edited) Yea these articles are very old, one would think they can provide a USB connection by now, (also given the articles they are quite open to provide various modules and/or custom works), still I wouldn't call it a deal breaker as I'm pretty sure there are adapter available. I got a response today basically telling me that maybe their product might be too 'pro' i.e high-grade material for my need & use as a private consumer, although the person sounded very friendly and curious about why would I need their product. But he didn't really gave me any real info so I'm still waiting for more specs or price as the conversation continues. The VKB unit indeed has pedals that are a bit weird in term of general design, though I wouldn't call that deal-breaking either, still if I would be to order those I would definitely go for the other pedal design that allow for a more combat style experience, they state that "There is a possibility to order short pedals pads, which allows to use pedals keeping feet on a floor." I can't find any other info and medias about that particular rudder pedal set though. I tried contacting them a few months ago but still no sign of life to this day, maybe you'll have better luck and they can provide you with some photos and infos. I know I'm not spending 600+ euros (counting VAT) without a first-hand contact with the manufacturer or the reseller. That website I provided is, from what I gathered, a relatively recent Europe antenna from that Russian company so maybe they're just not really ready just yet. Edited March 15, 2013 by Vivoune [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
whartsell Posted March 15, 2013 Posted March 15, 2013 I diddnt notice that they made a short pedal. Wish they had a picture of that. By dealbreaker I mean that if im spending that kind of money there should be no compromises in what i want. Arduino,EOS and Helios Tutorial Static ATC menu mod
Vivoune Posted March 15, 2013 Author Posted March 15, 2013 Yea I understand and I agree, though given how empty that hardware's current market is, I can accept a few drawbacks even on high priced units if I can easily deal with it. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Vivoune Posted March 19, 2013 Author Posted March 19, 2013 Sorry for the double post, It just doesn't feel right to edit a post 4 days later. Well after a few exchanges with RealSim I can tell you that their set of pedals sure are of great quality and fidelity but they're just too expensive for my budget. Excluding taxes, VAT etc they are around 6300 euros or 8000+ dollars. It is indeed a professional-only piece of art. I guess I will be aiming for a VKB then, I'd still love some feedback on people who have that rudder pedals or have dealt with VKB products in the past. I might also try to get my hands on a second-hand F16/USB Simpeds. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
MTFDarkEagle Posted March 19, 2013 Posted March 19, 2013 Excluding taxes, VAT etc they are around 6300 euros or 8000+ dollars. . HOLY :censored: Keep on the lookout for simpeds, those as I heard are the best (well.. apart from the above maybe :P ) Lukas - "TIN TIN" - 9th Shrek Air Strike Squadron TIN TIN's Cockpit thread
julian265 Posted March 20, 2013 Posted March 20, 2013 If you're struggling to find pedals, you can always make your own. Your budget would allow you to get some nice parts made... It's just a question of design.
Deadman Posted March 21, 2013 Posted March 21, 2013 Here is a good start http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rudder-Pedals-Cessna-Beechcraft-Grumman-T-6-Aircraft-/130871181331?pt=Motors_Aviation_Parts_Gear&hash=item1e7887c013&vxp=mtr https://forum.dcs.world/topic/133818-deadmans-cockpit-base-plans/#comment-133824 CNCs and Laser engravers are great but they can't do squat with out a precise set of plans.
Vivoune Posted March 21, 2013 Author Posted March 21, 2013 Thanks for the suggestions, indeed that'd be a solution, though I don't think I can reach the quality and durability of the previously named products on my own unless I spend a great deal of time on it in terms of research and manufacturing, something I'd like to avoid, as rewarding as it would be. I think I'll just wait another couple of weeks to try and get info on the VKB set and hear back from VKB themselves and if not I'll just actively start searching for a second-hand pair of SIMPED F16/USB. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Lausbub78 Posted March 21, 2013 Posted March 21, 2013 You could have a look at these too. http://www.schreinerschmid-web.homepage.t-online.de/Home/1,000000117204,8,1 However ,the Pedals have been announced not long ago I think and it may take a while until they are ready to order.
Vivoune Posted March 22, 2013 Author Posted March 22, 2013 Yup they look nice and effective, I had a look at that website a few months ago too but I can't really wait until Aug/Sept for a set of rudder pedals, I'll keep an eye on their website out of curiosity, love their sticks. Anyways thanks for the info! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
hegykc Posted March 22, 2013 Posted March 22, 2013 Fisrt let me say those are the best looking rudder pedals out there. Looks mechanical and like it actually came from an airplane, well they are replicas :) But WOW... 8 grand? That's not even crazy price. At this point it doesn't even make sense. Because with 8 grand you can hire someone with a workshop for a couple of months and he'll make you a lot more than rudder pedals. I mean, looking at the pics from the review, there are 2 rails, 2 or 4 round linear bearings, 4 gas springs, some springs, a cable and a bunch of laser cut sheet metal welded together. The pedals maybe cnc made. I see tops 1.000$ of material and service cost there. The only way I see this costing 8 grand if the guy isn't and engineer and didn't make the plans and CAD files himself. Went to a workshop with pics and said this is what I want. They charge him 4 grand and he puts another 4 grand as a profit. But basically he can charge whatever he wants, I don't see another set out there. www.replikagear.com
Vivoune Posted March 22, 2013 Author Posted March 22, 2013 Well it's not aimed for private users, only pro simulators so that explains the price. the pedals to hold the feet are 1k euros alone. When you're not looking at cost efficiency and only at sim fidelity in terms of design and material the price goes rocket high pretty fast so I'm not surprised. No wonder why the second-hand versions sell at 2k. Not to mention these pedals are buried pretty deep in the interwebs, we know there's a reasons for that now ^^. They do look neat though, just like the real thing. But it's true for that price you can find almost complete full cockpits. It'll be either VKB or SimPeds for me. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
WildBillKelsoe Posted March 11, 2015 Posted March 11, 2015 have you purchased? I'm inclined to throw money at VKB given the magnetic sensors and the huey-like shape, which means I can really feel the huey instead of trimming. AWAITING ED NEW DAMAGE MODEL IMPLEMENTATION FOR WW2 BIRDS Fat T is above, thin T is below. Long T is faster, Short T is slower. Open triangle is AWACS, closed triangle is your own sensors. Double dash is friendly, Single dash is enemy. Circle is friendly. Strobe is jammer. Strobe to dash is under 35 km. HDD is 7 times range key. Radar to 160 km, IRST to 10 km. Stay low, but never slow.
IvanK Posted March 11, 2015 Posted March 11, 2015 Perhaps you should think about MFG Crosswind pedals. Stunning build quality and operation and product support from their creator Milan that is as good as you will find anywhere.
cichlidfan Posted March 11, 2015 Posted March 11, 2015 have you purchased? I'm inclined to throw money at VKB given the magnetic sensors and the huey-like shape, which means I can really feel the huey instead of trimming. Perhaps you should think about MFG Crosswind pedals. Stunning build quality and operation and product support from their creator Milan that is as good as you will find anywhere. The OP's sig indicates that he has the Crosswind pedals. Not too surprising since the thread is two years old. :lol: ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700K, Noctua NH-D14 Cooler, Crucial 32GB DDR4 2133, Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 256GB, Samsung EVO 250GB & 500GB SSD, 2TB Caviar Black, Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme 8GB, Corsair HX1000i, Phillips BDM4065UC 40" 4k monitor, VX2258 TouchScreen, TIR 5 w/ProClip, TM Warthog, VKB Gladiator Pro, Saitek X56, et. al., MFG Crosswind Pedals #1199, VolairSim Pit, Rift CV1 :thumbup:
WildBillKelsoe Posted March 12, 2015 Posted March 12, 2015 Missed that, thanks. (Y) AWAITING ED NEW DAMAGE MODEL IMPLEMENTATION FOR WW2 BIRDS Fat T is above, thin T is below. Long T is faster, Short T is slower. Open triangle is AWACS, closed triangle is your own sensors. Double dash is friendly, Single dash is enemy. Circle is friendly. Strobe is jammer. Strobe to dash is under 35 km. HDD is 7 times range key. Radar to 160 km, IRST to 10 km. Stay low, but never slow.
Wrecking Crew Posted March 12, 2015 Posted March 12, 2015 HOLY :censored: What he said! ^^^ Visit the Hollo Pointe DCS World server -- an open server with a variety of COOP & H2H missions including Combined Arms. All released missions are available for free download, modification and public hosting, from my Wrecking Crew Projects site.
oneeyeddog Posted March 12, 2015 Posted March 12, 2015 These are the new F-16 Pedals from Slaw. I had these for only a few weeks and they are incredibly precise and smooth. They are made from steel and aluminum, the craftsmanship is superb. I've added an optional hydraulic damper.
Wrecking Crew Posted March 12, 2015 Posted March 12, 2015 There is a thread at SimHQ started by Slaw as he was designing these ^^^ pedals. http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/3851832/Rudder_Pedals_(_like_F_16_) WC Visit the Hollo Pointe DCS World server -- an open server with a variety of COOP & H2H missions including Combined Arms. All released missions are available for free download, modification and public hosting, from my Wrecking Crew Projects site.
SafetyTurtle Posted March 13, 2015 Posted March 13, 2015 These are the new F-16 Pedals from Slaw. I had these for only a few weeks and they are incredibly precise and smooth. They are made from steel and aluminum, the craftsmanship is superb. I've added an optional hydraulic damper. I really really really want those pedals! so amazing!
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