A10 Training from a real A10 Crew Chief

[Napa]

I'm no pilot, technician or chief of any kind... I'm just an Aviation enthusiast just like the rest of 99% in here :P

 

So if anyone recorded the damn thing let us know please :helpsmilie:

[schkorpio]

I'm no pilot, technician or chief of any kind... I'm just an Aviation enthusiast just like the rest of 99% in here :P

 

So if anyone recorded the damn thing let us know please :helpsmilie:

 

youtube link please! :D

[ishtmail]

Once and for all:

 

Robert, I fail to see where in this thread anyone is worshiping the crew chief.

All I see is healthy respect for someone who actually works with the planes we fly with in our sims.

 

I'll assume you didn't actually listen to his 'lesson', so basically you have no way of knowing WHAT he told the attendees. You don't know the scope of his knowledge, you're dismissing every notion of this guy based on his title of 'crew chief'.

 

I'll go ahead and make an assumption that you have had some sort of bad experience with crew chiefs in the past and have problems with them for some reason or other. This is of course all assuming you are what you say you are (a military pilot).

 

But let's go back to the topic at hand:

He's a crew chief that works on an A10 airplane. Him having a virtual 'lesson' would be bad for us virtual pilots... how exactly?

What exactly could be bad in this situation? Even if he doesn't tell us anything new and pertinent to our flying, it's still interesting to hear info from a firsthand experience, even if it is from someone that only takes care of the planes on the ground and not in the air.

 

 

Let me give you another driving example:

I love Formula one. I'd love to drive it. I do drive it in simulations. Would I love to talk to Lewis Hamilton or Michael Schumacher? Damn straight. But would I pass on an opportunity to talk to the guy that tickers around the engine, just because I'm more interested in driving? Nope. I'd love to talk to him, I'm sure he has much to say.

 

 

Last but not least:

You had your say. You don't like the idea. However, some of us do like it. There is absolutely no harm in it. Why do you insist on ruining a nice experience for the rest of us? Dude, relax, take a chill pill, let us enjoy what we enjoy. You don't have to take part of it, no one is forcing you.

[snuffles]

So, no-one recorded it hey? That's a shame. Sorry guys but this pissing contest is a bit of a joke - either that, or you've been 110% successfully trolled!

 

Edited May 20, 2013 by Tasselhoff

[blksolo]

In regards to what a crew chief does or does not know actually depends on the branch of service and the aircraft.I was in the Marines and a crew chief knew quite a bit about his aircraft on the rotary side and most of them got stick time. In the corps at the time "crew chief" wasnt a job you could enlist for,you started out in avionics,or as an engine mech etc and when you got enough experience in your field you took some tests went to classes yada yada and you got your wings.All the crew chiefs I knew had stick time,even the Cobra guys.I did 6 months in the mediterranean on a carrier and on the last day of flying they gave some of us cobra rides. On the fixed wing side they are called plane captains and I knew guys who went up in EA-6B and F-18's to do avionics checks. So to make a long story short you dont spend that much time around an aircraft and not pick a pilots brains if its something you are interested in.

[Robert1983NL]

Does it bug you that you cant offer simillar?

 

No, ofcourse not lol. I wouldn't want to spend my time like that.

[Robert1983NL]

Kick tires huh...you ARE NOT any kind of mil pilot. We do a whole of a lot more than kick tire buddy. A Crew Chief can shut down the entire operation and tell you to get the f@&?k out of their airplane. I've done it twice and my squadron CC backed me up. If a jet plows a hole in the ground, the Crew Chief is guilty until proven innocent. If YOU were a true operator, you would know that the guy "kicking you tires" saves your life everytime you get in HIS airplane. If you don't know, get someone to show you.

 

Lol, yeah, ofcourse, but still, a crew chief doesn't do much more than kick the tires and check the oil levels. A little exxagerated, but I think you should know what I mean. It's not like a crew chief does major repairs on the avionics or the hydraulics for instance. Only thing the crew chief will do is run to get a screwdriver or hold the flashlight while a specialist is fixing the aircraft.

 

I dunno if you're a crewchief irl, but don't go around saying I'm not a military pilot just because you're vision of a crewchief is totally unrealistic. Furthermore: Exactly what Damien says.

[Harzach]

No, ofcourse not lol. I wouldn't want to spend my time like that.

 

Yeah. Helping people is terrible. El-Oh-El.

[NeF]

Oh god.. give me the strength to not feed the trolls...............

[Robert1983NL]

Yeah. Helping people is terrible. El-Oh-El.

 

It's not, but to dedicate my precious time like that is.

 

(Thanks for again proving most people on this forum are pre occupied in their minds and have no capability of understanding what someone who's NOT floating in the same direction is trying to say...)

[Harzach]

It's not, but to dedicate my precious time like that is.

 

(Thanks for again proving most people on this forum are pre occupied in their minds and have no capability of understanding what someone who's NOT floating in the same direction is trying to say...)

 

Thanks for perpetuating the stereotype of pilots (if you actually are one) as arrogant ***holes. Your negativity is simply abhorrent and 100% not in sync with the majority of this community. Maybe you should find somewhere else to spend your precious time.

[winz]

So.. what you're saying is that his military experience directly contributed to the class? How is this any different than any other youtube tutorial on any of the systems (Besides the fact that he touches the relevant aircraft on a regular basis)? I stayed in a motel 6 last night.. doesn't mean I'm ready to manage a hotel chain.

 

I get what Robert1983NL's saying.. A crew chief only has a basic knowledge of the systems enough to get what he/she needs to get his job done. He has a good knowledge of the mechanics of the aircraft. Beyond that, he's just reading T/O's and the pilot manual like all of us are. He's not going to be intimately familiar with how to set up a bombing run because he's not the one in the cockpit or attended the A-10 pilots qualification school. An electrician is going to have good knowledge of the electronics, but isn't going to know the ins and outs of the avionics.

 

-Damien

No, most of the playerbase don't read manuals. Most haven't read the game manual fully even once. Haven't seen a checklist, don't do checklists. Don't have a clue about proper procedures, tactics. Don't plan their attacks, don't use weapon profiles.

Most of the playerbase never will, because the knowledge required to do so is contained in hard digestible materials. Only the most hardcore sim fans will sacrifice hours of 'fly time' to read boring manuals and then spend another hours practicing those procedures. Hell, most of people don't event know such material exists.

 

If anyone (crewchief, lawyer, 'sanitary manager') is taking the time and effort to process all this information into an easy to follow interactive training for the general playerbase then no-one have any right to go around disrespecting that guy "but he's a crewchief, he only checks oil levels", when you don't have any idea about the information he actually provided .

 

He is providing some guides for a freaking entertainment software, not guiding someone performing brain surgery on some of you realatives, so get of your horse...irl military pilots..

 

No, ofcourse not lol. I wouldn't want to spend my time like that.

This is why we cannot have nice things, because some jerks claim they know better, but cannot be arsed to do better.

[Stinky]

I hope the show is almost over, I'm running out of popcorn :D

[Robert1983NL]

 

This is why we cannot have nice things, because some jerks claim they know better, but cannot be arsed to do better.

 

You are responsible for your own success in life. Don't be so dependant on others. I gladly help people with stuff if they ask. But I would never host a session for this sole purpose, simply because I have other priorities for my precious time. I'd rather be flying a full blown mission for my own entertainment.

 

You can still have nice things, it's just your own responsibility.

[Robert1983NL]

Thanks for perpetuating the stereotype of pilots (if you actually are one) as arrogant ***holes. Your negativity is simply abhorrent and 100% not in sync with the majority of this community. Maybe you should find somewhere else to spend your precious time.

 

I'm glad not to be part of the majority. Very glad, and always have been. No need to find someplace else, no worries. I just have a strong opinion and sometimes that collides. So what. Not every face has to be in the same direction all the time. That'd be boring and there wouldn't be any discussion or progress, nor incentive for challenge.

[Taproot]

but don't go around saying I'm not a military pilot just because you're vision of a crewchief is totally unrealistic.

 

The tell tell sign that you are not a military pilot is that you talk down on the dud "closest to you" on the ground. From what I have read from Paul, a crew chief gets a lot more respect from the pilot then you are able to give. They have that friday beer together, and most important, Paul has his name on the plane.

 

However, if you are a military pilot, then you have some serious work envirement issues in your wing.

 

I have met many elite soldiers in my life, and they have all two feet solidly planted on the ground.

 

You haven't.

 

 

Just because I didn't learn it in school, doesn't meen I can't boil an egg. However, I am glad I can boil an egg since I sometimes need that knowledge in my work. So if a crew chief learned what you are claiming he cant know, who are you to judge? :doh:

[winz]

You are responsible for your own success in life. Don't be so dependant on others. I gladly help people with stuff if they ask. But I would never host a session for this sole purpose, simply because I have other priorities for my precious time. I'd rather be flying a full blown mission for my own entertainment.

 

You can still have nice things, it's just your own responsibility.

Success in life? :D I don't value my sucess in life with my ability to perform in an entertainment sw :) Do you?

It's precisely about the value of spare time. Most don't read manuals because of this, because most find other things more entertaining than reading manuals. Also, all people contributing to the community are doing so in their spare time. They could also be doing things much more entertaining than spending hours debugging trigger conditions in mission editor, or crawling through the sim directory structure, finding the one texture/sound they want to improve. Or spending hours writing up documents, charts, maps, or helping newcomers on forums...These sims would be dead without them.

 

It's then so somewhat discrespectfull and arogant to look-down on people contributing to this community in their spare time, just because their IRL occupation doesn't require knowledge of things they are going to teach the general simmer about.

Once again, they are providing guides for an entertainment SW, not some kind of official training.

 

Yes, you're a irl military pilot, and you know more about those systems than that guy and such lessons don't have any value for you and you would no doubt find errors in what he teaches. But that is of no value to the community unless you find some way to share that knowledge.

[Robert1983NL]

Believe me, my feet are planted to the ground lol. I just have a totally different opinion from most followers here in this thread.

And for your info, we don't have crewchiefs where I work (helicopters). It's not about respect or anything. I respect all of my colleagues. I've already pointed out what my exact points are, because some people simply don't understand or can't or aren't reading what I'm saying. Look it up again, I made it pretty simple.

[Robert1983NL]

 

It's then so somewhat discrespectfull and arogant to look-down on people contributing to this community in their spare time, just because their IRL occupation doesn't require knowledge of things they are going to teach the general simmer about.

Once again, they are providing guides for an entertainment SW, not some kind of official training.

 

Yes, you're a irl military pilot, and you know more about those systems than that guy and such lessons don't have any value for you and you would no doubt find errors in what he teaches. But that is of no value to the community unless you find some way to share that knowledge.

 

Come on dude... Look at how this thread starter opened:

 

Greetings Aviators,

 

From the perspective of US Armed Forces, walk through the various systems, best setup & config, checklists and procedures as we all "sit" in the cockpit and run through an actual flight. Make sure to set aside several hours for this instruction. Several training sessions/days will occur to learn the systems.

 

This series of events is not one you will want to miss. We shall see you there on TeamSpeak at ts3.digitalthemepark.com

 

This just makes me raise my eyebrows, coming from a crewchief. That's where I place my question marks. Guess it just rubs most people in the wrong direction, but that's not really my problem. My questioning is legit.

 

Anyway, I think about enough has been said. I'm about done with this thread.

[dotChuckles]

This is quite possible one of the most inexplicable threads I have ever witnessed on these boards.

 

Robert... If you are a military aviator, then I am going to assume that you are an officer, and as such you have a duty of leadership, humility, respect and setting an example. Your job is to inspire and encourage, not just be a seat stick interface.

 

Right now you are doing your uniform and rank a disservice.

[Madone]

Bye bye Mr Robert Troll.

 

And think about that : "Knowledge is not simply another commodity. On the contrary. Knowledge is never used up. It increases by diffusion and grows by dispersion."

Daniel J Boorstin

[ishtmail]

Robert, seriously, you said your piece. You don't like crew chiefs, we get that. You actually feel crew chiefs don't serve any purpose other than to kick some tires and hold flashlights for others that do actual work. We get that.

 

What I don't get is your insistence on bashing around this thread. We understand you don't approve of this crew chief giving lessons. Why don't you leave alone the people who DO want to hear the lessons?

 

You didn't hear what the crew chief had to say, did you? So what gives you the right to bash him into the ground, and on what basis? Do you know for a fact that this particular crew chief only kicks tires? Do you know for a fact that he fits YOUR idea of a crew chief? No. You know nothing of the sort.

 

He did it for free. People decided to listen to him on their own. He might have given some good advice, he might have said nothing new - this doesn't matter much.

 

All you're doing in here is trolling.

[Robert1983NL]

LOL. STILL it's not clear to some of you...

 

I never said I don't like crew chiefs. I never said I dissaprove of these lessons. I'm just being critical and placing question marks. Some people just can't handle that I guess.... Unbelievable.

 

I never bashed any crewchief into the ground. What I said about checking oil levels and holding the flashlight came from a crewchief himself. I'm merely questioning some stuff. Mainly because of the tone in the OP.

 

Trolling, partially maybe yes. But still I have a very valid point that some people have trouble seeing through the thickness of their following-glasses.

[winz]

Come on dude... Look at how this thread starter opened:

 

 

 

This just makes me raise my eyebrows, coming from a crewchief. That's where I place my question marks. Guess it just rubs most people in the wrong direction, but that's not really my problem. My questioning is legit.

 

Anyway, I think about enough has been said. I'm about done with this thread.

AFAIK Zoolander64 is not the crewchief. So, you don't know if it's his wording. You don't know what words he used in the actual lesson. Do you?

 

So all I see is just marketing from someone trying to attract people to an event. Every second addon is using 'realistic' as a way to attract people (hell, even you in your signature), yet we don't see 10+pages thread discussing the credibility of some audio guy naming his mod 'real'.

 

So what about we let those people who attended that event to speak about what and how they actually did. And then we can talk about if this event was beneficial to those attending, or a waste of time. Maybe some audio record will appear. And then you can be a good guy and use your knowledge to correct things that were wrongly stated.

That's the kind of information I was looking for when I opened this thread... and only found 10 pages of useless blabering about whether or not that guy is credible enough to provide guides for a computer game...

Edited May 20, 2013 by winz

[dotChuckles]

Trolling, partially maybe yes.

 

And that loses you any entitlement to any reasonable argument going forward.

 

Seriously, go and have a think about how you could have put your points across in the manner of a professional aviator and someone responsible for the defence of their nation - rather then that of a childish internet troll.

 

Further to that, I would encourage you to have your unit TO explain to you (probably for the umpteenth time) the benefits of CRM, or even the basics from the sounds of it. If nothing, for the sake of your crew at least.

 

Someone came here and decided to give knowledge they thought would benefit the community. Wether it did or not, is not up for debate as you cannot comment on that at all, as you did not take part. Neither did I, so I am prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt and applaud him in his effort of benefiting the community.

 

You are the one who is not "getting it". You have offered no input, no betterment and no adding of knowledge. You have the knowledge but not the time, that is fair enough, but it does not give you the right to call into question the motives or manner in which other people do choose to give knowledge. That is reserved for people who have actually chosen to contribute, not stand at the side and criticise.

 

You are embarrassing yourself with several logical fallacies and embarrassing your rank, uniform and service with your attitude. What's more... you are actively p*ssing on this community by discouraging people from adding to our collective knowledge. And I for one, do not like being covered in p*ss.