Gloom Demon Posted July 28, 2013 Posted July 28, 2013 I run DCSW from an SSD to increase performance. In order to conserve space I have moved the DCSW and it's modules documentation (more then 200 Mb) to a hard drive, however the deleted documents on more than one occasion have mysteriously reappeared in their directories. What can be causing it and what should I do to prevent it? AMD Ryzen 3600, Biostar Racing B850GT3, AMD Rx 580 8Gb, 16384 DDR4 2900, Hitachi 7K3000 2Tb, Samsung SM961 256Gb SSD, Thrustmaster T.Flight HOTAS X, Samsung S24F350 24'
cichlidfan Posted July 28, 2013 Posted July 28, 2013 Any time that you use the Autoupdate process it will replace/repair any missing or damaged files. There is actually nothing that you can do to prevent it. ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700K, Noctua NH-D14 Cooler, Crucial 32GB DDR4 2133, Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 256GB, Samsung EVO 250GB & 500GB SSD, 2TB Caviar Black, Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme 8GB, Corsair HX1000i, Phillips BDM4065UC 40" 4k monitor, VX2258 TouchScreen, TIR 5 w/ProClip, TM Warthog, VKB Gladiator Pro, Saitek X56, et. al., MFG Crosswind Pedals #1199, VolairSim Pit, Rift CV1 :thumbup:
Foss Posted July 28, 2013 Posted July 28, 2013 Updates and repair function check for missing files and replace/renew them. Specs: System: Asus Z170-E, I7 6700K, 16GB DDR4, Asus GTX1070 8GB, 1TB M2 SSD + 2x 250GB SSD,TrackIR, TM Warthog, Saitek Rudder Modules: A-10C, KA-50, Mi-8, UH-1H, FC3, F5E, M2000, AJS37, AV8b, F18C
Gloom Demon Posted July 28, 2013 Author Posted July 28, 2013 That is sad, because it additionally wears down the SSD... guess I'll have to put them back in. Thanks for the help :-) AMD Ryzen 3600, Biostar Racing B850GT3, AMD Rx 580 8Gb, 16384 DDR4 2900, Hitachi 7K3000 2Tb, Samsung SM961 256Gb SSD, Thrustmaster T.Flight HOTAS X, Samsung S24F350 24'
cichlidfan Posted July 28, 2013 Posted July 28, 2013 Those files makeup less than 2% of my current DCS install (all the modules included). It hardly seems worth the effort in the first place, IMHO. ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700K, Noctua NH-D14 Cooler, Crucial 32GB DDR4 2133, Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 256GB, Samsung EVO 250GB & 500GB SSD, 2TB Caviar Black, Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme 8GB, Corsair HX1000i, Phillips BDM4065UC 40" 4k monitor, VX2258 TouchScreen, TIR 5 w/ProClip, TM Warthog, VKB Gladiator Pro, Saitek X56, et. al., MFG Crosswind Pedals #1199, VolairSim Pit, Rift CV1 :thumbup:
metalnwood Posted July 28, 2013 Posted July 28, 2013 When you buy an SSD you have to live with these things. To date, you wont find much evidence of people wearing out their SSD's but you can find lots of people worrying about it. Those DCS files will no impact the life of you SSD one little bit, just play :)
159th_Falcon Posted July 28, 2013 Posted July 28, 2013 When you buy an SSD you have to live with these things. To date, you wont find much evidence of people wearing out their SSD's but you can find lots of people worrying about it. Those DCS files will no impact the life of you SSD one little bit, just play Very True, SSD "wear" is purely an theoretic issue. That is sad, because it additionally wears down the SSD... guess I'll have to put them back in. Thanks for the help :-) Don't you worry made, not matter how hard you try, your SSD will last longer then the time you would want to use it. How i know? One of those hardware testing and reviewing sites has done an torture test whit Samsung 840 SSD's, they ran it till they, literally, died. Followed ofcourse some theory and calculation but; If you write on average 30 GB of data per day, (and ofcourse also delete again to make room for new data) the life span is still about 24 years. See link for an full and in depth article covering the test, how it was done and what the results are; http://us.hardware.info/reviews/4178/hardwareinfo-tests-lifespan-of-samsung-ssd-840-250gb-tlc-ssd-updated-with-final-conclusion ~S~ And please, just don't worry about your SSD's lifetime anymore. Your time is way better spend on much more fun things. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] The keeper of all mathematical knowledge and the oracle of flight modeling.:)
Supersheep Posted July 28, 2013 Posted July 28, 2013 The average Hard Drive is much more likely to die on you after three to four years already. Nobody I know worries about that, and a lot of people deliberately ignore this very real risk - against better knowledge, that is :dunno: Super- The PVC Pipe Joystick Stand How to thread
xracer Posted July 28, 2013 Posted July 28, 2013 (edited) 159th_Falcon You know this one :) , as i've understood in a regular way DCS checks for updates once a day by default. And note i havent used that feature yet as i dont yet need it, but does it mean that if there is a change in the files will DCSUpdater regardless add missing files when you start DCS? DCS checks for updates once a day by default and if that kicks in they will be added? What i have done is to change my shortcut or more correctly add another one which i use containing ""X:\Eagle Dynamics\DCS World\bin\Launcher.exe" instead of """X:\Eagle Dynamics\DCS World\bin\DCS_updater.exe" thereby choosing when i want to do changes. Edited July 28, 2013 by xracer System spec: Intel Core i7 920@4.2Ghz (stable, 65degC fully loaded), EVGA GTX-780, Asus P6T Deluxe V2 v.5.04 BIOS, Saitek X52, 1TB/500GB WD HD for system/storage. Kingston SSD 120 GB for DCS, 250GB Samsung 840 SSD for the rest. 16GB Kingston KHX1600C9D3 Memory, 9 GB Pagefile, EK HFX-240 Watercooling, Corsair HX-1000 PSU. HAF-932 Tower, TrackIR-5, Win64Ult [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Hamblue Posted July 28, 2013 Posted July 28, 2013 Keep your SSD under 75% or so capacity and you'll be fine. ( I keep mine under 50). As noted in another thread using a tweak guide will help. If using one of those guides the SSD will easily outlast any normal drive. Edit: Here's a link to one of the guides. They all pretty much say to do the same things. http://blog.ocztechnology.com/?p=178 Asus Sabertooth P67 Motherboard 2600k CPU, 16 gig DDR3, 1600. Samsung 830, 256 gig hard drive, GTX780 Video Card, Warthog Hotas, Razer Mamba mouse. Saitek Combat Rudder Pedals. Trackir 5, Verizon FIOS 25Meg Up/Down
ED Team c0ff Posted July 28, 2013 ED Team Posted July 28, 2013 but does it mean that if there is a change in the files will DCSUpdater regardless add missing files when you start DCS? DCS checks for updates once a day by default and if that kicks in they will be added? No. Updater never does any changes without user permission. Dmitry S. Baikov @ Eagle Dynamics LockOn FC2 Soundtrack Remastered out NOW everywhere - https://band.link/LockOnFC2.
xracer Posted July 28, 2013 Posted July 28, 2013 No. Updater never does any changes without user permission. Ok, thanks for the info. System spec: Intel Core i7 920@4.2Ghz (stable, 65degC fully loaded), EVGA GTX-780, Asus P6T Deluxe V2 v.5.04 BIOS, Saitek X52, 1TB/500GB WD HD for system/storage. Kingston SSD 120 GB for DCS, 250GB Samsung 840 SSD for the rest. 16GB Kingston KHX1600C9D3 Memory, 9 GB Pagefile, EK HFX-240 Watercooling, Corsair HX-1000 PSU. HAF-932 Tower, TrackIR-5, Win64Ult [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
LosT_SouL_VL Posted July 29, 2013 Posted July 29, 2013 So the DCS updater is like the steam verify cache option, even if there's no new update available it will run and replace missing/moved files?
SkateZilla Posted July 29, 2013 Posted July 29, 2013 200 MB worth of Files sitting on a SSD, only being read occasionally by the user doesnt wear the SSD out. nAND Flash will read long after it loses it's ability to write. deleting them, and the updater re-downloading/restoring them is causing more wear than it would if you just left them there. Windows 10 Pro, Ryzen 2700X @ 4.6Ghz, 32GB DDR4-3200 GSkill (F4-3200C16D-16GTZR x2), ASRock X470 Taichi Ultimate, XFX RX6800XT Merc 310 (RX-68XTALFD9) 3x ASUS VS248HP + Oculus HMD, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS + MFDs
ED Team c0ff Posted July 30, 2013 ED Team Posted July 30, 2013 So the DCS updater is like the steam verify cache option, even if there's no new update available it will run and replace missing/moved files? By default - NO. What you describe is done by the Repair function. Dmitry S. Baikov @ Eagle Dynamics LockOn FC2 Soundtrack Remastered out NOW everywhere - https://band.link/LockOnFC2.
EtherealN Posted July 30, 2013 Posted July 30, 2013 Very True, SSD "wear" is purely an theoretic issue. ...and as long as you use some overprovisioning (my Samsung drive allowed manual configuration of OP), you're pretty much safe. It was an issue on the very first generation of SSDs, but nowadays most recommendations I have seen from tests even states that yes - you can keep the swap file and even should do so. In the early days people were really paranoid about the swap and such things. Followed ofcourse some theory and calculation but; If you write on average 30 GB of data per day, (and ofcourse also delete again to make room for new data) the life span is still about 24 years. See link for an full and in depth article covering the test, how it was done and what the results are; http://us.hardware.info/reviews/4178/hardwareinfo-tests-lifespan-of-samsung-ssd-840-250gb-tlc-ssd-updated-with-final-conclusion Wow, I had missed this article, thanks for the link! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Daniel "EtherealN" Agorander | Даниэль "эфирныйн" Агорандер Intel i7 2600K @ 4.4GHz, ASUS Sabertooth P67, 8GB Corsair Vengeance @ 1600MHz, ASUS GTX 560Ti DirectCU II 1GB, Samsung 830series 512GB SSD, Corsair AX850w, two BENQ screens and TM HOTAS Warthog DCS: A-10C Warthog FAQ | DCS: P-51D FAQ | Remember to read the Forum Rules | | | Life of a Game Tester
Gloom Demon Posted August 2, 2013 Author Posted August 2, 2013 EtherealN Do you think i should use the overprovisioning function for my SSD or just manually keep some disk space empty - will there be a difference? AMD Ryzen 3600, Biostar Racing B850GT3, AMD Rx 580 8Gb, 16384 DDR4 2900, Hitachi 7K3000 2Tb, Samsung SM961 256Gb SSD, Thrustmaster T.Flight HOTAS X, Samsung S24F350 24'
LostOblivion Posted August 2, 2013 Posted August 2, 2013 I use an SSD and there is a very good solution that solves this problem painlessly. All you have to do is move your big folder to your HDD and make a symbolic link to it from where it used to be. No programs will be able to tell the difference between a symlimk and a folder, so the auto-updater won't try to replace them. Use the mklink command from the command line in Windows. Nice plane on that gun... OS764 P930@4 MBUD3R M6GB G5870 SSDX25 CAntec1200 HTMHW
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