The Battle of the Stretch Goal, Part II - Changes!

[Rangi]

There is often a bit of a rush in the last few days of a kickstarter campaign, although it is looking like a bit of a stretch at the moment....

[Double_D]

I lowered mine :(

No flyable bombers, etc... (although I admit, flying it might be so complex that I won't find it enjoyable lol).

 

I do believe they mentioned, they were gonna build a Client based B-17.:thumbup:

[agrasyuk]

Well, since it was announced those not backing will no longer get three free planes I'm in. Seems like safe investment if thing turn out positive and not much loss if it all goes sour.

[cichlidfan]

Maybe if the goal is lowered to 130k we cpuld see her soon.

 

So if it costs 50k to build and they only get 60% of that, how does that get us the aircraft 'soon'?

 

:doh:

[LosT_SouL_VL]

So if it costs 50k to build and they only get 60% of that, how does that get us the aircraft 'soon'?

 

:doh:

 

Simple, it won't get you that 150 000 stretch aircraft "soon"...

 

The question is more like: why after getting the initial 100 000 kickstarter goal; why are the kickstarter stretch goals that difficult to reach "guessing" that DCS has probably many thousands of customers in their customer base?

[westr]

Now they are only releasing one free aeroplane on WW2s release it will mean they will create revenue from selling the other two for future aircraft such as the 262 just means we will have to wait for the release of WW2 before they start developing a flyable 262 I guess.

[agrasyuk]

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The question is more like: why after getting the initial 100 000 kickstarter goal; why are the kickstarter stretch goals that difficult to reach "guessing" that DCS has probably many thousands of customers in their customer base?

 

Well , it is much harder to face a question and admit failures then dismissing the whole thing. Why bother if it is so much easier to raise hands to the sky in a "but why!? God , why?!"and attribute lower then expected numbers to lack of interested in summing or anything else. Some believe in issuing a "clean slate" despite existing issues not being even acknowledged let alone resolved , i happen to not agree but that's up to individuals of course. If individual refuses to face the question not much anyone can do about it, so why sweat? )

 

In any case, the topi is "battle for pledges". That is being achieved to a degree and pledges it generates: Since free no longer comes with any aircraft (which makes sense realy) I did put my in . I guess I can afford to risk that much, but of things take off I think it will be quite a value :)

Does it make business sense? Are those pledges carry desirwd weight? Well, I leave it up to the organizer to figure this out. Project is funded and they will build what they can build. There is nothing to do but seat back and see what unfolds, so relax and enjoy the show. cheers!

Edited October 1, 2013 by agrasyuk

[Bucic]

I'm going to raise my pledge. I've also got another chap onboard. He just holds for now, waiting for PayPal to be enabled. There's no reason to give up yet. It's funny how people declare a failure whenever the trending waves down a bit :)

[USA_Recon]

I do believe they mentioned, they were gonna build a Client based B-17.:thumbup:

 

That is what I thought - as originally I had pledged $40 - then the whole 'we are going to make the B-17 flyable' discussion came around, so I up'd my pledge to $85 because I really wanted to see this happen.

 

But I don't think this is true now ?

[VincentLaw]

That is what I thought - as originally I had pledged $40 - then the whole 'we are going to make the B-17 flyable' discussion came around, so I up'd my pledge to $85 because I really wanted to see this happen.

 

But I don't think this is true now ?

If the kickstarter somehow managed to hit $425,000, then it might still happen. It had been pushed back by 50k from $375,000 to make room for the Me-262 goal at $150,000 since people were calling for an easier, intermediate stretch goal. (The Me-262 is possible at a lower cost since it is less complex, and was also planned as an AI plane.) The B-17 goal was taken off the kickstarter page now, but it seems very unlikely to make $302,000 (or $252,000 for that matter) in 3 days given the progress so far.

 

That said, the B-17 might still happen anyway, at some point, but reaching the kickstarter stretch goal would have guaranteed its inclusion on release. Now it will probably have to wait until/if the project is actually commercially successful. RRG has stated that they are aware of its popularity.

[Hans-Joachim Marseille]

I'm going to raise my pledge. I've also got another chap onboard. He just holds for now, waiting for PayPal to be enabled. There's no reason to give up yet. It's funny how people declare a failure whenever the trending waves down a bit :)

No failure, but the Me.262 is not likely (of course I hope to be proven wrong). Welcome to your friend.

[USA_Recon]

If the kickstarter somehow managed to hit $425,000, then it might still happen. It had been pushed back by 50k from $375,000 to make room for the Me-262 goal at $150,000 since people were calling for an easier, intermediate stretch goal. (The Me-262 is possible at a lower cost since it is less complex, and was also planned as an AI plane.) The B-17 goal was taken off the kickstarter page now, but it seems very unlikely to make $302,000 (or $252,000 for that matter) in 3 days given the progress so far.

 

That said, the B-17 might still happen anyway, at some point, but reaching the kickstarter stretch goal would have guaranteed its inclusion on release. Now it will probably have to wait until/if the project is actually commercially successful. RRG has stated that they are aware of its popularity.

 

Yes, I understand that now - when it was first worded though, I had though they were adding it to the first release to help reach the $100 k mark.

 

It's completely undoable to reach that amount of money, if anything, this has proven what an eye opener it is that these flight sims can only get $150k - that is crazy bad.

 

That said, I think these stretch goals are just out of reach, personally, I think just having new kickstarters for each new aircraft would be more reasonable. ie. Luthier should start a B17 kickstarter to fund it - come up with a reasonable amount to do it instead of bundling everything together.

[hegykc]

It's completely undoable to reach that amount of money, if anything, this has proven what an eye opener it is that these flight sims can only get $150k - that is crazy bad.

 

Don't say things like that! :D

 

150.000$ for a hardcore sim based only upon promises from a team whose last project ended in a biggest debacle in flight sim history is actually very good!

 

Given all the mess about the campaign itself, I would call the amount raised crazy good!

 

And it is just a start, just the very first kick in restarting the WWII sim genre.

Once they make the core game and repair their former glory and prove to the community they can actually make DCS level aircraft, things will change drastically for the better, should they choose to do other kickstarters.

[DerHesse70]

Word! :thumbup:

[cichlidfan]

150.000$ for a hardcore sim based only upon promises from a team whose last project ended in a biggest debacle in flight sim history is actually very good!

 

Given all the mess about the campaign itself, I would call the amount raised crazy good!

 

The man speaks truth!! :thumbup:

[Merlin-27]

Given all the mess about the campaign itself, I would call the amount raised crazy good!

 

And it is just a start...

 

Amen, brutha

[Slayer]

Apparently someone got the word out, frontpage on AVSIM. Thats a big audience there. I'll be jumping on the kickstarter too as soon as I get my next paycheck...