Wags update: F-15C: DCS Flaming Cliffs Update

[Voodoo-chacal]

If the F 15 DCS Flaming Cliffs is now in beta stage as wag post states that means probable release may well be end of December (Christmas) or early new year.

 

Cant wait !! :)

 

 

I would not be so optimistic, they always take too long to develop something.

I believe it will take about 2or 3 years to complete :(

 

another reason for you not to get too excited about a date short, they often they abandon the project, not take seriously everything that is posted on forum

Edited October 16, 2013 by Voodoo-chacal

[Cedaway]

It takes the good direction. Looking forward it. Good luck, ED. :thumbup:

[Jetkar]

I would not be so optimistic, they always take too long to develop something.

I believe it will take about 2or 3 years to complete :(

 

another reason for you not to get too excited about a date short, they often they abandon the project, not take seriously everything that is posted on forum

 

 

This may well be a contradiction but I always remain optimistic.

 

The reason I am optimistic is according Wag statement stating its in Beta. However I know that timescales can take longer to the launch of the finished product or being shelved but i doubt that as the community is waiting for next releases. As flying only 3 jets is getting a bore and ED know it.

[Voodoo-chacal]

This may well be a contradiction but I always remain optimistic.

 

The reason I am optimistic is according Wag statement stating its in Beta. However I know that timescales can take longer to the launch of the finished product or being shelved but i doubt that as the community is waiting for next releases. As flying only 3 jets is getting a bore and ED know it.

 

 

you must be new to the world dcs...

 

read the forum and various topic how many things were promised, and how many things were accomplished

 

some projects have fallen by the wayside

Edited October 16, 2013 by Voodoo-chacal

[VanjaB]

Ok Ill post my question here.

 

Im looking to get into a fast mover, so Im eagerly awaiting the Su-27 and F15C. My question is this. Which has inherently easier navigation, weapons systems and avionics??

 

Let me put it this way. I fly the Huey, Mi8 and P51 mostly because I find the A10C systems way too much of a chore to learn properly.

 

I will put the effort for a fast mover though, so assuming they arrive at the same time which would you recommend I start with? The F15 or the Su-27?

[karambiatos]

you must be new to the world dcs...

 

read the forum and various topic how many things were promised, and how many things were accomplished

 

well technically nothing was promised, since the posts never contained

 

"We promise"

or "We are definitely making this"

[tarracta]

Ok Ill post my question here.

 

Im looking to get into a fast mover, so Im eagerly awaiting the Su-27 and F15C. My question is this. Which has inherently easier navigation, weapons systems and avionics??

 

Let me put it this way. I fly the Huey, Mi8 and P51 mostly because I find the A10C systems way too much of a chore to learn properly.

 

I will put the effort for a fast mover though, so assuming they arrive at the same time which would you recommend I start with? The F15 or the Su-27?

 

I think this is mainly depending from the knowledge you already have of the aircraft. Most Western users may find the F-15C more familiar (cause of other flight sims, movies and so on), while the Russian jet is completely new - here I would have to learn from each weapon description on, because I really know nothing.

 

However, the F-15C was very much easier to learn for me - because many things were already known.

I a Russian jet, i get really scared, so much buttons and levers with hieroglyphic labels ... :smilewink:

[Kenan]

Finally! Now I'm about to loose the only thing I constantly b*tch about.

 

:D

[kobac]

I hope that the AFM for the F-15C and Su-27 will be out at the same time, as it is said.

[Fox One]

Yeah, it's hard to do differential braking when you have just a single stick handle to perform the braking with. :)

 

Where have you seen such a stick handle on Su-25?

[Rongor]

I think this is mainly depending from the knowledge you already have of the aircraft. Most Western users may find the F-15C more familiar (cause of other flight sims, movies and so on), while the Russian jet is completely new - here I would have to learn from each weapon description on, because I really know nothing.

 

However, the F-15C was very much easier to learn for me - because many things were already known.

I a Russian jet, i get really scared, so much buttons and levers with hieroglyphic labels ... :smilewink:

Unfortunately these planes come as FC3-level simulations and therefore are so shallow that you don't have to care for buttons and levers anyway.

[Rongor]

Ok Ill post my question here.

 

Im looking to get into a fast mover, so Im eagerly awaiting the Su-27 and F15C. My question is this. Which has inherently easier navigation, weapons systems and avionics??

 

Let me put it this way. I fly the Huey, Mi8 and P51 mostly because I find the A10C systems way too much of a chore to learn properly.

 

I will put the effort for a fast mover though, so assuming they arrive at the same time which would you recommend I start with? The F15 or the Su-27?

Both will have easiest navigation and systems because they are FC titles.

Only differences will be different radar uses, different weapons (east/west) and different measurements (metric/imperial).

[VanjaB]

Both will have easiest navigation and systems because they are FC titles.

Only differences will be different radar uses, different weapons (east/west) and different measurements (metric/imperial).

 

Ok thanks for that, Im from Europe so the metric system is more natural for me to use. What about the training missions? Will each aircraft come with its own training missions and campaign like the DCS aircraft?

[_Dredd]

Will this hopefully come with a new sound model, cockpit systems and external ? :pilotfly:

[Nate--IRL--]

I hope that the AFM for the F-15C and Su-27 will be out at the same time, as it is said.

 

That post does not say they will be out at the same time.

 

Nate

[blkspade]

Both will have easiest navigation and systems because they are FC titles.

Only differences will be different radar uses, different weapons (east/west) and different measurements (metric/imperial).

 

Navigation is non-issue regardless of fidelity level, since all the systems are modern. If anything navigation in the A-10C is actually slightly easier. It would only be a challenge in the modules that lack a nav computer, but thats really independent of it being FC or DCS. Many of us have been staring at this map so long, we can probably just pick a patch of sky to fly at and get where we need to.

[Rongor]

I was simply answering VanjaB's question.

It also doesnt matter if you consider navigation being non-issue. It maybe is no issue unless you want to navigate. In the A-10C you can navigate by using a full grown CDU, switch TACAN and ILS frequencies and also manage self created mark points in the TAD, HUD and again the CDU. Nothing of these is simulated within the FC modules. So it may be not an issue for you if you use FC-ships only. But for sure it matters for DCS fidelity.

Edited October 16, 2013 by Rongor

[tarracta]

Will this hopefully come with a new sound model, cockpit systems and external ? :pilotfly:

 

Oh yes, the soundmodel is a nasty thing. Its much to "sterile and hygienic", nothing to compare with real sounds from an aircraft. Depending on wind, AoA or weather effects the turbine sound is still static and there's just no exciting ambient sound.

 

Even in a civilian plane the turbine spinup goes along with a monstrous, low frequent sound, clicking noises by themal tensions in the cabin, you just feel that some horsepowers are now going to their work.

 

In DCS it just sounds like a coffee machine on LSD :cry:

[_Dredd]

Oh yes, the soundmodel is a nasty thing. Its much to "sterile and hygienic", nothing to compare with real sounds from an aircraft. Depending on wind, AoA or weather effects the turbine sound is still static and there's just no exciting ambient sound.

 

Even in a civilian plane the turbine spinup goes along with a monstrous, low frequent sound, clicking noises by themal tensions in the cabin, you just feel that some horsepowers are now going to their work.

 

In DCS it just sounds like a coffee machine on LSD :cry:

 

Yeah ambient not so worried, Diveplane has done a great job already, more so Startup sounds like linked here would be Schweet.

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1835049&postcount=193

[SkateZilla]

That post does not say they will be out at the same time.

 

Nate

 

plus, I'd assume the F-15C's AFM Might be a Twidge easier due to Public NASA Airframe Performance Docs...

 

:pilotfly:

[Raven68]

According to one of ED facebook comments, the cobra maneuver is already possible without scripting.

 

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10153352942125341&set=pb.441639040340.-2207520000.1381884785.&type=3&theater

 

See Rayvonn Core comment replies.

For everyone who missed this little gem of info. :)

:music_whistling: ... And I am still struggling as to how make it perform the maneuver.

My understanding was to some how turn off the AOA limiter which I have not figured out yet...oh well :pilotfly:

[EtherealN]

:music_whistling: ... And I am still struggling as to how make it perform the maneuver.

My understanding was to some how turn off the AOA limiter which I have not figured out yet...oh well :pilotfly:

 

I think he meant that it is "alreasdy possible" on the in-development Su-27 AFM, not the current SFM.

[Raven68]

I think he meant that it is "alreasdy possible" on the in-development Su-27 AFM, not the current SFM.

 

AHH!! Thanks for the clarification my good man! :thumbup:

[IvanK]

Yay hopefully the the F15C AFM will permit a realistic AOA/IAS relationship on final.

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1624449&postcount=680

Edited October 16, 2013 by IvanK

[Pilotasso]

on the slower end of the envelope as a whole, yes.