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If the Saudi's keep pumping volumes to hold the price of oil at or below $10/bbl & put all the shale-oil producers in the states out of business, then pull production back to levels that lead to > $60/bbl, maybe Russia will have enough money to build a few more...

I agree, if it's going to be mind melting, then for most of us it has to be something other than an 'F' series US fighter - the game is saturated with them, and there's nothing to fly against them. Maybe something 60's 70's, but while you seem enthused, to me that's not really adding to the game - it's 40's / 50's WVR style air combat, but with faster planes, & leaves you back in the situation of aving only one aircraft from the era (like when there was only the Pony for WWII). This : "even if the release is far away from theirs" is exactly the point though. The game/SIM needs something that expands it. More Blue is more differentiation, but no growth. A Red aircraft expands the game. both in terms of new systems to learn & design philosophies to adapt to, and in terms of adding the abailty to have DAC that involves adversaries not 'adversary squadrons' of similar aircraft. For the Soviet pholosophy to be implemented, E.D. would have to get the MP datalink and probably AI GCI sorted, and dthey would both add to the game too. (edit: the whole 'Russian Govtwon't allow it' thing doesn't seem to have stopped the Mi-24, & an Su-27S is roughly a contemporary) Ah yes, but many more would buy it because it is Soviet. Mixed bag. I think some would buy it because they think it's mythically good, and might be disappointed with the actual capabilities of the avionics. Most would buy it because they realise that it is what it is, and that flying with the actual capabilities of the aircraft is what flying in a SIM is all about (Soviet aircraft are a bit like the P-51 in that respect - mythologised to the point lots of people expect it to be unbeatable, but in reality it has strengths, but many weaknesses too. But people still buy / fly the Pony :) ) Just an O.T. dig at E.D. - people that won't buy any more E.D. products won't buy any more E.D. products - doesn't matter what they are. In terms of sales or capabilities ? Sales - if E.D. never make Russian planes then sure, Western aircraft will definately outsell Russian aircraft. I think part of the Jeff's appeal though is that it's not Western, and people want something not Western... Capabilities - if they're what the aircraft had, people will be interested. People currently fly the FC3 Red aircraft & their capabilities won't be so different from that. 1/ if they've constructed the code in an efficient way, then for most systems this is a red herring. Radar is radar, data-link is data-link, HSI is HSI it's just parameters & GUI that you're adjusting. 2/ If they want the game to continue to exist, they have to continually imprive it & grow it. Not so long ago the same agrument would have worked against combined arms, WWII aircraft, radial engines, LTWS/TWS, searchlights, etc, etc... Maybe it's risky, but there is a risk associated with stagnation, and to avoid that they have to bring something new. TrueGrit have at least stepped across the atlantic and forward a couple of decades. E.D. needs to find some new territory to open up. Pretty sure they've said it's fixed wing. E.D. have said that the TrueGrit module isn't the aircraft they've been teasing, and that will be announced later.

Some general flying and a launch from near vertical midway through tSysSai0kWw

I completely agree with E.D.'s own stated logic - they have said it a product of imagination, produced to provide enough product differentiation to make BS3 appealing, and that they have no evidence such an aircraft ever existed.

The only people who don't think it's a big deal are those that get their news from Fox, and even Fox have changed their story now to say people have to take it seriously. if it keeps doubling its infections every 4 days, you'll see your 1.5million worldwide soon enough Re:"500K die of malaria each year, and the same from ebola." No. between 1976 and 2013, the World Health Organization reported 24 outbreaks of ebola involving 2,387 cases with 1,590 deaths. 11,500 people have died so far from covid-19 - more than ebola killed in 37 years. If you work it out, it's more than 7 times as many people in less than 1 % of the time. Re blaming China: China may have taken a couple of months to acknowledge they had a serious problem, but once they realised, they acted fast & effectively. Knowing what was coming, but telling people it will be OK, taking no steps to test or prevent transmission, and putting the stock market before peoples lived when you can see what's happening overseas - that's incompetence and recklessly endangering your own population.

So they are...

Do several appear in that sale video they've just released ?

More imaginary arguments that I never made. Find a single post where I even hint that no Ka-52 could ever launch an IGLA. The Ka-50 & Ka-52 are different aircraft, and the discussion is about the Ka-50 Because they are different aircraft, commenting on the Ka-52 would be completely irrelevant to the current argument and so there would be no reason for me to raise the issue of what the Ka-52 can, or cannot do. All I've ever said is that your writing "KA-50/52 platform" does not mean that such a thing exists. There is the Ka-50, and there is the Ka-52. There is no Ka-50/52. The Ka-52 evolved from the Ka-50 as the F-15C evolved from the F-15A. An F-15A with an AESA radar, AIM-120s and a cockpit full of glass panels is not a real F-15A. It is as imaginary as a Ka-50 with a Ka-52 cockpit, 6 hard-points & Igla. No. You're simply wrong. Logically, it can be cancelled before it has started, but it can't be ended until after it's started. Yes, exactly as you would do if you were a vet and you tried to try to come up with a well reasoned - and grounded in science - description of the probable anatomy of a unicorn. But it would still be a work of fiction.

That's good news. Good luck to you too.

Unfortunately, this is typical of your position through the entire discussion. Something else was perhaps possible on another aircraft, so surely this means that this thing is possible on this aircraft. No proof, no evidence, just hypothesisation. No, I never mentioned tv shows or your interest / non-interest in them (Martinistripes did). What I mentioned was your apparent interest in having fantasy systems added to the Ka-50 so that you could engage in unrealistic employment of the helicopter. If I'd said we should ignore your request because you you were whatever, that would be ad hominum. What I actually said was that the requests weren't grounded in reality - either of the aircraft or its use. There's no more reason for Kamov to have produced documents saying that the Ka-50 couldn't carry Igla than for them to have written a document saying that the collective cannot be removed and used as a potato peeler, or that the user cannot attach beer kegs to the hardpoints. They write documents saying what it can do. If it could do that, they'd have written a document. If you could find a document saying the Ka-50 could carry Igla, we wouldn't be having this circular argument. See the translation Tippis provided of S.E.Bulba's quote above. The Ka-50 plainly did enter serial production. You're conflating unicorns and triceratops again. Neither exists now, one used to exist, and you could try to make a realistic model of it based on reality (Ka-50), the other never existed and any model of it is based in imagination (Ka-50 + Igla) This is true even if you imaging the biology of the unicorn to be based on ponies and narwhals (or Ka-52). All the rest was - as you yourself said - based on your opinion, not evidence [edit] This has all been said before, so I will take a break from the discussion.

Thanks for the translation and the confirmation. Obviously it's not possible to discontinue serial production unless serial production has commenced, so perhaps we can drop the whole 'it was only ever a prototype' argument from the forums ?

If they say yes to 1 day, how will the people that bought it the day before you feel ? Why 1 day, but not 2 ? Why 2 but not 3 ? . . . which leads to: Everyone should get the sale price from day 1 which means no-one gets a sale.

I've only ever seen you post pictures of the Ka-52 & say 'if this had them, that could have'. That's only speculation, not proof. If you had photos of Ka-50 with Igla, could you kindly link them ? Oh, and that wasn't an 'ad hominem'. Ad hominem is attacking the person, not the idea. I didn't say your idea was bad because you were a bad person, I said your idea was bad because it was unrealistic. Again - If you had photos of Ka-50 with launchable Igla, could you kindly link them ?

To the Ka-50 ? Source ? Images ? Generally, a helicopter is not something you want to fly on a modern battlefield where you don't have control of the airspace, or effective CAP. If you don't have those, you wouldn't be flying to engage the enemy. What you seem to want is a helicopter that's an A2A fighter, and that's not what they're built as or used as.

Good luck :-/

Would you like me to start a bug thread to have it removed ? Edit - All joking aside - at the time of development E.D. were working directly with Kamov. Presumably they included the Kh-25ML because Kamov said it could theoretically carry it, but didn't include a functioning MLWS (despite the external mounts and cockpit switch) or the ability to mount Igla (both of which would have been more useful than the Kh-25ML), because Kamov said the real thing didn't have one/couldn't carry them.

I'll tell you, as someone who was on the beta team for the Ka-50, and has flown the Ka-50 since before it was released, you don't know what you're talking about. Some people want E.D. to model the aircraft as they were built. That's all the OP was after. Some people don't care whether what they're playing is an accurate representation of the aircraft or not - they want something that will let them win, and if that means adding fantasy elements - then so be it. You appear to fall into that group. By this reasoning we should have a PESA radar & R-77 on the Su-27... They're real things that were added to other aircraft, they were in the advertising brochures as available to export customers if they wanted to pay for them, and they only reason we don't have the in DCS right now is that they were never added to the aircraft in real life

The Chinese Govt, the Iranian Govt, the Italian Govt, the E.U., the British, the WHO, NY state, the POTUS & the US media ??? -'cause obviously there's a group that all have a common interest in over-blowing the threat & sabotaging their own economies.

Su-27 probably has more people 'eagerly awaiting it', and would add more to game-play, but as Harlikwin pointed out, F-15 probably represents more sales dollars returned per dollar of development invested...

The problem is not how many people are dying now, it's it's not even how many will die - it's how fast the infection spreads. If you can spread those infections over 2 years, most of the sickest will be treated & survive. If infections are unchecked, the disease will increase exponentially & more will be sick at the same time. If they all happen over 3 months, hospitals will be swamped, most of the sickest people won't get into a hospital & will die.

You're probably right. The more interesting question is whether it's deliberate. I suspect not originally, but in the end, if it's left that way - that's a decision in itself.

See: CWiwDrh4iNs

The real thing seems to have more reflections than they've modelled... CWiwDrh4iNs

My guess is still F-15C. If it is, maybe E.D. should change the name to DC(U)S.World... ;)

Thanks :-)