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There are those that disagree... the only rule to which there is no exception is that there is an exception to every rule.... etc... 1 good card is always better than 2 less good cards, because ALL games are designed to work well with 1 card... sli is hit and miss. a game might work well with it, then poof! a patch comes out and all of a sudden you have a 400$ paperweight, because you gotta disable sli to play the game. SLI is for adding performance to your 1 good card in the games SLI works and not just works, but works well with. sli isn't a substitute for 1 good card period.

There is still no single GPU that'll use all the bw of a single 16x pcie 2.0 slot. Even if 3.0 might have more available bandwidth... Need 3way sli for that.

there is no AMD similar card to the 1080 DCS is currently CPU bottlenecked, BUT!! if you don't run the game at super high settings, also don't run the game with trees turned all the way up and flat shadows off etc... a 1080 will for sure outperform a 780 I'm getting a 1080 as soon as the one I want is available... I suggest you wait for a good one (EVGA classified is the one I want for example), rather than just buy what's available now.

this is a different video than the twitch one, but it shows what I mean about the pci-e slot powering half the VRM... they say in this video that a firmware update might fix it, but if you watch the twitch video (it's actually linked in an earlier post in this thread) you'll see that you can't fix actual physical copper traces with software, so we'll see... ZjAlrGzHAkI

There is a youtube (or twitch) video where some guy traced out the entire power circuit, and it turns out half the VRMs power comes directly from the PCI-E connector. the 6-pin could handle the entire VRM, be out of spec, and still be fine, but what the RX480 really needs is the entire VRM on a single 8-pin, and to just not use PCI-E for it at all the problem isn't with software or firmware, it's that half the power phases are directly PCI-E powered... hopefully some non-refrence cards don't do that.

yeah it's not really practical to SLI cards as bad as the GTX1060, and the reason it has an integrated cooler is the same reason cards like the Geforce2MX and TNT2 and stuff do.... they just don't get hot enough,even fully maxed out, to bother with custom coolers... there are cards you can game with, and gaming cards... the GTX1060 falls under the former category... on that note, i wouldn't doubt that in the future more cards don't even require a fan, with how everyone is aiming for efficiancy over just raw power, less and less heat is being wasted, so less and less cooling is needed... the top end cards will always be hot, because they're always pushing the limits, but lets say a top end card draws 150 watts of heat, and can get 200 fps in a game, so then a card half that speed would draw probly less than 75w heat and still get 100 fps in the game... so basically anything less than that 75w heater really won't need much cooling at all... base a cards performance and cooling requirements on how much heat it produces vs how many fps it gets in your favorite game... don't base the cards performance on how much heat the card produces, completely disregarding its performance.... with the RX480 out there, the GTX1070 being actually pretty inexpensive for what it is, and the GTX1060 being pretty low-end at somewhere around the same performance as the RX480... it's understandable... with all this said... honestly AMD has a very limited amount of options to compete with nvidia, AMD may have a lot of innovations, do a million things better with their cards than nvidia does, but if they can't pump out the fps people want, with reasonable current draw and noise levels, in the games people actually play, then all those innovations won't save them... the games people actually play being the big thing AMD seems to forget... with their lists of like 5 games that run on AMD cards better than nvidia...

And an 8 cyl version of that 4 cyl engine? Transistors are not engine cylinders... Comparing aardvarks to blaupunkts...

well you'd think they'd test trackIR on their own systems and at the very least make sure it works in all modules, not just fc3, before releasing the update, there's no way they don't have trackIR on hand... it'd be one thing if the like... 10 people who play dcs with VR on a regular basis didn't have working head tracking with their VR sets, it's totally another when the majority of people who use head tracking non-VR can't... even if it is a beta update...

the wright flyer, the one with an engine though, not the glider... because it would be simple to make, difficult to fly, and would be fun to fly on virtual aerobatics or the F-104, because it's so cool looking, love the idea of a plane designed with one purpose.

Well... there are two ways to look at it... 1. It's awesome when developers future proof games, put settings in games that no computer can currently run yet, that way the game still has top of the line graphics going forwards... 2. It sucks when games aren't optimized... DCS is some of each... though i would say more of latter...

Does anyone else still have trackIR issues even with this hotfix that just came out? mine still looks down at the seat...

Have you tried turning flat terrain shadows on? turn trees down some too...

some motherboards won't allow the card to go under full load because they just shut off if too much power is being taken from the wrong place... you'd be in the middle of your GTAV session and your computer just shuts off... but it'd be low-end motherboards with cheap power management...

yeah, I just skip to the graphs, and ignore the rest lol.... there are better articles in text form than anything on youtube...

yeah, most mobos can handle the wattage, if you have a super cheap like... 90$ mobo or something, you might have issues, but even those cheapo mobos will just shut off if you draw too much current... the likelyhood you're going to fry something is slim to none... I do, however, think that cards that go over 75w on the pci-e slot should at least have a disclaimer, it'd piss me off if my computer shut off every time i played a 3d game... don't care who makes the card... and on a different note... cVVJPbFRDEc

some are, but what we need is a bigger pool of DX12 games, some that run better on one platform than a nother, also what matters is if more games you play regularly work better on nvidia in DX12, then you'd want an nvidia card, even if there are more games that run better in DX12 on AMD in general... the same way, right now, if all you play is hitman, yeah, you might want an AMD card...

says the one drawing conclusions from a single game, that's specifically optimized for AMD cards... so are Ashes, and tombraider so don't bother linking a graph of them... there are not enough DX12 games, maybe when there's 10 or 15 of them out there, from different developers, some who like nvidia better, some who like AMD better, to really give any indication of performance gains DX12 will actually have. and what really matters is the performance in games we actually play... like DCS... and from that point of view, the RX 480 is a 200$ GTX970. unless the only game you play is hitman...

yeah I was disappointed it wasn't a 980 killer too, so were a lot of R9 290-390X users I bet. There were some leaked numbers, how many flops it has, its memory bandwidth, etc... those "can" give a close indication...

The first gen I7s have a lot less IPC than the sandy bridge, even running at 4GHz, it's rougly the speed of a 2600K at 3.5~ ghz, also the new 6600K actually is slightly slower than the 3930K, and that's even before overclocking, I believe the 3930K is a slightly better overclocker too... the latest gen CPU's are basically intels entry into 14NM, very small dies, good efficiency, but we're going to need to wait for intel to make a big CPU using 14NM before it actually brings any performance gains... TL: DR the 6600K-6700K sacrifice performance for high efficiancy, there are older CPUs that are faster, though far less efficiant.

The reason the 970 is the same price is the RX 480 is because of the RX 480, so at the very least you can thank the RX 480 for that.

The only ones I don't fly are the L-39, hawk, and C-101, its not "digital trainer plane simulator" I even enjoy the combat that mi-8 and huey can succeed in... all the planes in my sig I can fly in combat with no issues.

then again, claiming there even is such thing as a VR specific card could be the "trick" what they're saying is, its VR capable, and inexpensive... not that it's a VR specific card, or will run VR better than any other card clock for clock...

Aaaand as soon as the RX 480s go on pre-order, the price of the 970 drops to exactly the same... even some of the super heavily overclocked aftermarket 970s are only like 20$ more.... wonder if the RX 480 is even fast enough to use 8GB vram and still have the horsepower to hit high fps...

OK so i was off, it's actually a 970 killer, not a 980 killer, anywhere from the same speed, to a bit faster than my 780... at least the refrence cards... 2GdfDCq86Gk PgbpXh0CifE

I think what he's referring to is high frame rate cameras, film makers don't like them because they have to digitally add any motion blur they may want.