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Trying to convince people about dx12 and crossfire is trying to sell it... figure of speech.

wrong to tell people to buy expensive hardware based on things people don't yet use, benchmarks from one or two specific games , or synthetic benchmarks such as 3dmark or pass mark... Just take the averages from the doZens of people's benchmarks, of many many different programs, games and different genres, and you get a good picture of what is best, and what is best for your $ spent, as they aren't the same thing. Unless you're going to tell me you'll only play games that run better on amd hardware than Intel/nvidia from now on, just to prove a point.

you keep saying DX12!!!! hey everyone AMD + DX12!!!! + CF, CF + DX12 will rule all!!! STOP~~~~!!! DX12 and multi-gpu are nothing, don't exist, theoretical performance is not the same as real-world performance.... when DCS is DX12, and when DCS actually can run two videocards in parallel, THEN.... not now, not today, and not any time soon™ AMD has nothing close to the 1080 announced yet. or go play tomb raider... it's like gosh darn mantle, and the 4 games it has... wait till theres a couple dozen AAA games that are pure DX12, that us in the flight sim community are willing to invest as much time as we do with DCS, THEN compare. DX12 + multi-GPU... till then, single-GPU + DX11 = relevent. multi-gpu + DX12 = not relevent yet(if ever). and do you actually pay attention to the settings they use in DX11(DCS is NOT DX12) benchmarks? they turn OFF gameworks, they use the same settings as they do for AMD cards, so its as fair of a comparison as possible, the numbers you see are without it for the most part. that being said, we need new higher IPC CPUs to go with our fancy new GPUs now... since DCS is still mainly cpu bottlenecked....

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I haven't had any issues with the radar, since the last patch it's been awesome, it looks more realistic now, and locking people with beam mode works well again too.

I think the first one I ever played was Air Warrior III, but it might have been Red Baron.

Yep, the smoke from the missiles apparently had a bad habit of getting into the engine, so the APu starts up when you shoot now, I still find it disconcerting though.

Nvidia decided to release their reference cards 100$ more expensive than what the after-market cards will cost and just call them "founders edition", both the 1070 and 1080 non-reference cards will be less expensive than the founders edition, also have better power management, board layout and cooling solutions. you are probably better off waiting for a non-reference card... also don't be fooled, so far the only card i've seen that's even remotely not reference is the asus ROG strix, and i think it just has the two power phases that aren't used on the reference boards, and some extra pins for the fancy lighting they've added... often people just add after-market coolers to reference boards...

I think AMDs next card, their 480X or whatever is going to be the best performance per dollar card ever made, rumors currently state it as being roughly as fast as a stock 980, and in crossfire(dual gpu sucks), it's able to match the 1080. 250$ for an 8gb version, 200$ for a 4GB version. this will definitely bring the cost of the 980ti down, probably the 1080 too. keep in mind: best performance per dollar is not the same thing as best performance, the 1080/1070 are still better than the 480X if these rumours are true.

I Have a 500GB 850 pro, was very expensive, but DCS runs better on it than my OCZ Agility 3, so it was worth it for me. not sure if this helps.

I plan on getting a non-reference 1080 and two more 27" 1440p monitors and giving that a go.

I have a DK2, and i can tell you, just flying with nothing else around with settings basically all the way down works fine around 55 fps average.... get a few planes in the air around you it drops into the 20's.... in general, with a 780 and DK2, it's not playable, except solo flights...

1070 = 980ti killer.

firstly I realize there are a lot of people who play single-player, and scripted missions, but I'm not one of them. The only way I see pre-IFFing radar planes to work, is if they make lots of different ones, of different nationalities, and the planes they fought against too, it's similar to ww2 planes in dcs, having only 3 of them means there's not much diversity and therefore most people just stick with fc3, the mirage, and the 21bis... and then someone makes a server with only non-iffing planes, that somehow gets popular... with the way dcs is, and the way most people fly, multiplayer anyway, a non-iffing plane is just not useable, because someone else will have iff and just blast you before you see more than a dot on the horizon. kinda why, even though the F-5E and the mig-21 may have been a good match up IRL, in DCS, since the F-5 can't iff, it's majorly gimped, and nowhere near as good as the 21, because multiplayer, both teams have the same planes, so the F-5 can never tell if the 21 he's pointed at is enemy or not... so if anything, a newer version of the 21 would be better, rather than older. I'd spend 60$ for another 21 that could use R-73s and R-77s, but I think the bis was a good choice too.

Asus EVGA Zotac I think im going to get the ROG strix.

except for during the pentium 4 era, intel has always had parts above any beyond anything AMD has had, for top end gear.... as in... the fastest single-core AMD has had has never been as fast as the fastest single core intel has had, except for the P4 CPUs. yes, AMD has been able to compete with intel and nvidia in anything less than the top end gear, but AMD has never had anything faster than the best nvidia and intel have had for more than a few months since the end of the athalon XP/64 era... any time AMD makes something faster, immediately intel and nvidia release something faster yet... and i was more specifically saying "how can sales of consoles = sales of enthusiast computer parts??" I'm not an intel/nvidia fanboy, I'm a realistic, reads a lot including history, looking at trends, and just buys the best regardless of brand or cost(to a point) fanboy. my last AMD CPU was an athalonXP 3200+ my last Ati videocard was an HD5850... the first DX11 card you could buy. when I bought each of those, there was nothing better. when i bought my 2600K there was the 2700K but i wasn't about to pay 150$ for 300mhz boost clock, when they both reach the same O/C speeds of about 5ghz anyway. and I exclude server parts, and CPUs/GPUs over 1000$ in whats best for a regular dude like me.

AMD making all that money on shitty hardware, what incentive do they have to compete with Nvidia and Intel in the ultra high end market? honestly, AMD fanboys, when AMD is making money on consoles, what is now considered low-mid range hardware, how does that fill you with confidence? no... they'll continue to make passable, but not the best, inexpensive hardware, for those that can't afford better... what, except for the pentium 4 era *shudders*, they've always done.

ranging data for the automatic sight, and the missiles can get data from it too. all-weather finding people...

the 1070 is supposed to replace the 980ti all together, basically exactly the same speed, i'm guessing the 1080ti will be to the 1080 what the 980ti was to the 980,

A 2600K at 4.6GHz is roughly the same as the 6600K at 4.3GHz if you look at benchmarks... E.G. you get 60 FPS in a CPU bound game with a 2600K at 4.6GHz you get 60 in FPS the same CPU bound game with a 6600K at 4.3GHz just a made up non-existent game that magically gets exactly 60fps at 4.6ghz to make life easier specifically for an explanation.

Does it have the AN/APQ-153 radar? If so, regardles of having a better airframe, makes it inferior to the mig-21 in so many ways... IDing targets, acceleration and speed, and having no rwr... aim-9p is all aspect, but I'm not sure that makes up for having only the mk1 eyeball and a radar that just shows raw bscan for sensors. If it has the an/apq-156 radar, cool. I know there are f5es with them. Not just the f20.

It depends on what you mean... for example, my GTX780 cost me 750$ when it was new The GTX1080 is over twice as fast as my 780, and costs 600$. damn near 1/3 the cost per frame. To me, a GTX980ti makes no sense at all to buy, because it's slower than the 1080, has a smaller frame buffer, uses more power, and costs more. and anything less than a 980ti just doesn't have enough performance to make it worth upgrading from my 780. Until there's a card with the performance of the 1080, that costs less than the 1080, there is no competition, only lesser cards and more expensive options such as sli and cf. so the 1080 is an awesome card for people with a system like mine.

red+green = brown, the same colour as poo... here's what I think is going on behind the scenes... Nvidia and intel know that competition brings in money, so every time AMD catches up, they release something roughly 30% faster than AMDs fastest thing.... I wouldn't doubt that some deal was made between intel/nvidia and AMD.... could just be one huge conspiracy theory *puts on al-you-mini-um foil hat* -cLYn937ZFE 2-61Zn4Sb8Q

When the vast majority of games are pure DX12, and not DX11 with a few DX12 features, then DX12 will matter... there is just not a big enough sample of DX12 games out there to say AMD is better at DX12 definitively, and anyone saying such and such is better in DX12 is totally subjective. another example is how AMD has 8 core CPU's but each individual core is shit, and most games use 1-4 cores... so intel, having much better single cores, is better, even if 8 AMD cores combined is a decent amount of power...

980ti = 100 fps average 1080 = 129 fps average 1080 = 29% faster than a 980ti, on average. the 1080ti will have to be much faster than your 25% miniumum... since the non-ti is already more than that. the 1080 non-ti is more than twice as fast as my 780, my 780 is 5-10 fps less than the 970 on average. and lets keep in mind, these are 1080 OEM cards, first revisions, what asus and evga etc do with them, and what OC results can be got from better PCBs, coolers, hardware power management, drivers, etc, nobody knows.