Ktulu2

BVR is an utopia in DCS. usually 120s have a range of 10NM head on and maybe 3NM on a cold target that wants to defend. But as I've said its quite hard to convince ED on missile performance so...get that cannon ready.

This is unrelated, I did not say I waited, I said that in any other plane it would not be such a problem but the F-15's engine isn't as responsive.

You've never seen a diference between the F-15 and other planes? I fly the mirage and I sure have, as the mirage's AB comes off instantly. In the F-15, no matters how many flares you put out so long as you were in AB when the missile was launched (and in proper paremeter ie no dogfight Rmin launch) its a hit. I can tell you it's not only the pilot, but anyway...who cares anymore as SRM are now as effective as bricks.

You fly in the 27, so that's normal, but in the F-15 there is a long delay to get out of afterburner (5-ish seconds). During this time, as you are in afterburner, flares have little effect. Of course, in favorable parameters you can defeat R-73, but most of the time, you can't do much if you were in AB when the missile was launched.

This works for most of the sim's components, but missile has always been a Pandora box for ED so statements will be even less frequent (think about the 10^50 threads about missiles...all they got from ED was ''well...maybe we'll work on our guidance at some point''). That is of course assuming ED made missiles worst by accident...

ED rarely releases statements compared to 3rd parties, so it's not that surprising.

Ok for the ER, I was just wondering why it was that way. But I think you guys are missing my point with with the mirage... I'm sure it would have equilibrated the teams by giving reds a NATO plane as every time I get on 80s scenario its 30 blues vs 10 reds, but nevermind I guess i'll practice bfm instead when that happens.

My intention was to even the teams also, the 21 is already on red. If I hate modern soviet planes, you can guess how I feel about downgraded similar desings. Also, I don't own it and (while I truly support leatherneck as it is a master piece) am not willing to buy I plane that I simply do not like. Am I the only one that feels like switching the mirage would be beneficial? Also, in case people don't look up, I reiterate my question about ERs.

Also happens the other way around : I could shoot someone when on his screen I was pointingabout 15° in lag...

Still trying not to ;)

Hi, I'd like to request that the Mirage gets put on the red side in RedVsBlue 80's scenarios : EACH time I get on and its 80's, I have to choose from being on the team on 40 blues, or on the team of 10 REDs with Russian aircrafts. Normally I ALWAYS go on the smallest team even if its 1V10, but I deeply HATE Russian aircrafts (no offense meant, just my taste :) ) So with M-2K on read it would not only equilibrate teams, but would also make NATO enthusiasts like me happy to go on the small team. Beside, France was always a country a bit to the left hehe-Oh I heat the magical fairy telling me no politics... Also, may I ask why reds have ER? Makes no historical sense (NATO had an upgraded AIM-7p that isn't in game in the late 80s where the ER was available) nor balance sense.

No, R-73 could hit you through a 10G turn and 60 flares because of the 30seconds spool down time from AB of the F-15

No, they don't because if you shoot them head-on directly on the intercept point, as soon as the ennemy shoots ONE flare the missile goes for the mysterious bright glowing light.

The problem also is on the fuze's side : yesterday I had aim-9s fly so close that I thought they were going to impact fuze (but in fact were just REALLY close) and didn't prox. fuze at all.

AIM-9P-5 is all aspect, just horrible at turning.

Yes we play digital falcon simulator ;)

Not quite sure why you would want it, I mean...In DCS you will ALWAYS be inside burn through before firing enveloppe

Yeah... The P-5 is just as efficient as the P-3, the only difference is that instead of giving up from the rail, it tries to do something...

What!? not too sure what to think about this. Never heard of that kind of prox. fuzing. If you're talking about the ET, than each time the missile would go upwards towards the sun it would proxymity fuze... Or do you think they wasted space and increased the missile's drag and weight to add a camera inside it for other than R-27XT? Seems VERY counter-effective given they have a radar that can be much more accruate and harder to CCM. Also, if the image gets smaller, that means that : A) the missile is off course and it would prox. fuze instead of correcting its trajectory. B)The missile somehow got close to its target, did a 180° like it was in wanted and it's seeker is now able to see its getting further AND does all of that fast enough to still be in acceptable range!? radar/IR is much better Also, saying ''that's what they want us to believe'' is quite a poor argument, given we could just stop playing sims as they could never be accruate.

104th enforces integrity check anyway...

In dcs, missiles guidance is very bad, so you can choose from two things at close range : 1- Just outrun it like many said if you are fast and manoeuver a little. At the moment against a good player, a 4NM missile going at a cold target is useless. 2-Drag it into the ground : Go full AB, go upwards and away or at 90° from the missile, than pull 9g and go downwards with the biggest angle from the horizontal possible and only pull up at the last moment before crashing, that will make the missile bleed its energy FAST and it will run into the ground if the vertical angle is big enough. I've defeated 2NM slammers that way...you just need to have a good starting speed.

I know, was just trying to prove that 45° is irrelevent for calculations of the maneuvrability of a missile.

Yes, there's the thrust of 2.2 F-15s concentrated on the winglet, so I HIGHLY doubt the wing would resist it.

Yeah, many (including me!) are saying that guidance is the problem in DCS, especially on russian missiles.

All right 1st : fin of the 120 dimentions : http://www.f-16.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=28234&start=15 I'll take in consideration that 1 of the front fin is doing 45 of AoA. Aspect ratio : height/base :0.133/0.266=½ Cl=2pi*AoA in Rad = 2pi*(45/360*2*pi)=4.935 according to here : http://wright.nasa.gov/airplane/lifteq.html Here, parasitic drag is highly negligeable compared to induced, so Cd~Cl²/(pi*AR*e) e is usually around 1 : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lift-induced_drag SO Cd ~ 4.93²/(pi*½*1)= 15.5 (WEIRD... VERY HIGH) Surface = 0.114m² SO at mach 2 drag = ½*Cd*p*S*v²=1/2*15.5*1.1*0.144*666²=544509N Lift=½*Cl*p*S*v²=1/2*4.93*1.1*0.144*666²=173189N Total force = (L²+D²)^½=1/2*4.93*1.1*0.144*666²=571388N=58 304Kgf Now, thats a lotta jets burners concentrated onto a single tiny winglet, so no way in the world it survives that (2.2 F-15s) Now, i'm starting my aerospace bachelor in 2 months, so there are probably mistakes in here as i'm no qualified, but its the best I can do and i'm pretty sure its a decent approximation. (sorry this is wasted time, just didnt want to delay my post ;) )