Dirty Rotten Flieger

Oh thanks oblivion. I wonder why they translated LND to SPS for us english speakers? Thanks for the correction

I don't think anyone is saying Mig21 is "a match" for modern aircraft. The article, did you read it? Says that the Mig is very stable at low speeds and high angles of attack, and in this one specific area it can keep up with modern fighters. But we all know that the chances that it would get pass the BVR capabilities of F15c or F16c are very low, to nonexistent. I think you are missing the point of the article. It is just quite amazing that this old plane can perform so well in ANY aspect against modern types. Just looking at the dated aero dynamics on the mig21... it doesn't look like it could fly slowly does it? It looks like a missile with a man in it.

I am pretty much obsessed with Mig21 just now :thumbup: Watching lots of you tube vids and I found this funny old drama . maybe east german production? But they are flying Mig21 and two are landing ... The first nearly runs off the runway so the second deploys his chute just before he touches down. Funny thing is it looks like they really did this stunt . Looks a little bit dangerous to me ! He deploys the cute and then drops a wing and slams down hard. happens about 7:30min . Will have to give this a try! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJ0IUL0RWLQ

Was the target jamming before you locked him up? I think I have seen this when locking up a target who was active jamming... denying me range data. could be something else. BuT I have seen this happen with jams

I been trying to hit target while under fire from AAA. As I swing around to face the target I fire the missile. Maybe 30 degrees off target. As I continue to turn on target the missile swings around following my nose... If I time it just right the missile gets to target just as my nose swings past it . Means I don't have to fly straight and always flying a curved path. AAA have much harder time hitting me. I was inspired to try this by this footage of Mig21bis dropping bombs while flying a curve . Presumably he was doing this to complicate fire solution of AAA http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=17f_1399897470

Just had a great fight 4 phantom v 1 MIg First thing I did was stall my plane, stall my engine... then diving straight down to fan the engine and air start with a phantom on my tail and he gets a hit on me. Oh dear! But I got it going again and shot them all down before I ran out of ammo or fuel! woohoo! trying to keep the fight slow the whole time... sounds crazy but it works Mig21bisSlowspeedHiAlpha2.trk

I agree Human pilot wont be drawn into slow speed flight where the mig21 shines. But I think the point we were talking about is if the Mig can hang with the modern fighters at slow speeds and high alpha. The USAF test pilots seemed to think it could give them a surprisingly good challenge. I was skeptical when I read this because I had never tried it and my impression of the mig21 was that it was high speed high alt, and it would be suicide to try to slow down and turn fight... When I actually tried it against AI I found out that those test pilots have a point.

Thats why I posted the track. lol! 2v1 excellent F15c and F16C Vs Mig21. shot em both at low speed

The RS2-US AA beam rider might work in A2G attack. The missile looks back at eh plane so I doesn't know what it is being shot at. If this works then this would actually mean the RS2-US has an advantage ! I thought it was worse in every way... But I like it. Of course this begs the question. Can Kh66 be fired at bombers? I will have to try this!

Yeah I think that the engine via the BLC blown flaps is giving you a lot of lift on approach. I use 75 80% throttle on approach. If you are going too fast then try using air brakes to slow down rather than throttling back.

I totally understand any skepticism. I found it hard to believe when I read it. Here is a track file of a dog fight. Mig21bis vs F16C and F15C both on excellent skill. I don't start to maneuver till they are both pulling onto my six. I shoot them both while I am indicating about 300km/h and there are times in the fight I am indicating almost as low as 200km/h . My esteem of the little Mig has grown quite a lot in the last day. It is just so counterintuitive that it can fly like this when landing speed is 340km/h. Mig21bisSlowspeedHiAlpha1.trk

Stumbled on this, fascinating read. http://www.slideshare.net/mishanbgd/mi-g-21-and-fighter-maneuverability-in-todays-terms This article says the MIg21 is good at slow speeds and high angles of attack! WTF! Apparently I've been doing it wrong. Well I just tried some dogfights, gun only vs the phantom and instead of keeping my energy up which is what I would have been doing, I tried to slow down and maintain high alpha and use rudder to roll avoiding aileron input. It works... phantom is childs play to shoot down. Tried the F16A, F15, Mig29... all on excellent skill and shot them all down without too much trouble. Yesterday I was trying to stay fast keep my E up in gunfight and I couldn't beat he F16A after 5 attempts. I just didn't think the Mig21 could fly like this . Let alone fly well

Mig21bis is the best DCS module

I see that she has blown flaps... So if you back off the throttle to slow down you are going to lose lift and fall on the ground short of the runway. I found this out the hard way. I might try turning the BLC off to see how she lands without the blown flaps.. very fast I imagine. I love the way landing makes me more nervous than combat does!

oh awesome I was gonna ask you guys to attach your missions. always better to fly a mission I didn't make. thanks Nereid Very strange that it just works for me in red side. I have occasionally had them not answer but I ask again and they answer straight away. I wouldn't have known there was any problems if I hadn't seen this thread. I haven't tried the blue side. I tried the mission you attached and it doesn't work for me either. If I try to contact Mantis11 EWR I don't say anything. It doesn't respond but I don't actually ask it anything either. I can contact Overlord EWR and it gives me a vector. But I can't find Overlord EWR on the editor map. I noticed that Mantis 11 was in a group with a comand and some AAA maybe the group is effecting the functioning? In my mission I just dropped a EWR next to an airfield. They were not part of a group like yours.

It is not easy to do. I have been taking off with three tanks of fuel climbing to 10 or 11km with the tank fuel then drop them and trim for level flight. It takes quite a long time to get up to mach two and you want to plan it so you have an airfield to land at when you run low of fuel Also more than two missile will give you too much drag.

just realised you can attach mission file to post . cool EWRintecept b52 .miz

I got it to work. Ill upload to the user files High fast B52 approaching the coast heading north east. Radio menu shows two EWR stations and you can ask them for vector while B52 is still in range. You start on the ground cold with three tanks of fuel and two beam rider missiles. You gotta burn the fuel in the tanks to get up to 10k then drop the empty tanks and level off accelerating to Mach2 to to catch him before he gets out of your range. Took me a couple of goes to get him with a beam rider. When I missed with both missiles I switched to guns and went vertical at 10000m alt and 2100km/h and thought ill come back down on him but I was wrong. Got to the top of my loop at 24000m high and couldn't turn back on him in the thin air... inverted flat spin and engine flame out! Mig21 is lot of fun high and fast like this. I had the same issue with trackIR. So I made a trackIR profile with all the "f12" keys needs cntrl as well.

Hi great module! I can't get the main or front gear to deploy with the emergency levers. Also once I had tried the emergency levers the normal gear lever doesn't work at all.

yep you got it

Is there anyway to remove the metric conversion to imperial chart on the gunsite? I guess it comes in handy when you use US awacs but it s easy enough to use russian awacs and read the subtitles.

Yes please fix this! I beg of you

we need to know what speed the mig has maximum excess engine power and try to stay in this speed range while maneuvering...

Here is inside the cockpit of real Mig21 on touch down... looks a bit lively. The sketchy takeoff and landings are my favorite thing about this plane to tell the truth. The high landing speeds must be very intimidating when you first try it. If the instability is technically a little over done it may still convey the overall impression a real world pilot gets when he hits the runway at over 330km/h in this tiny jet. Maybe we just need some more practice. Rebound damping on the main gear shock absorbers doesn't seem to be working as well as it does in some of the footage I have to admit.

Me too ! In the first campaign mission I cannot reach the destination airfield without hypoxia. I had to dive down to low altitude as I was blacking out. Very cool effect of blurred vision and tunnel vision... I survived the hypoxia but found my engine was out when I leveled off. Makes me wonder does engine bleed air pressurise the cockpit? Maybe the engine problem is causing the hypoxia? I had inverter problem.