Wizard_03

How did you come to the conclusion he's in AUTO flaps in that video?

So if the missiles on first? Is who still on second?

1 AUTO setting is meant for flight, the aircraft trims itself for you. So once airborne in AUTO flaps there should be no need for trimming in pitch at all. 2 No Idea, when I try to trim the aircraft in pitch on the ground with flaps at AUTO the stabs don't move. 3 Could be, glad they're on it. But I never use pitch trim in normal flight with flaps at AUTO because I always want the aircraft trimmed for 1G flight, the only time I could see changing that would be for battle damage/emergencies and even then its hard to imagine a situation that would require less or more the 1G constant in normal flight. Edit*Maybe that's the real issue we're seeing; IRL the aircraft dose pitch up like in DCS but it's also easier to compensate with trim IRL.

As I understand it pitch trimming while in AUTO doesn’t directly change stab position, rather it sets the bias to higher or lower then 1G flight. While trimming in HALF/FULL actually sets the stab position.

I know but he also was only at +3 for trim not +12 and 2gs is awful low for a straight to vertical climb immediately after TO, unless the FCS was “helping” him, and he’s super light. Also I know for a fact hornet demo teams use bob weights for tight formation flying, which literally makes the stick harder to pull. And I wouldn’t call it critical, it would only kill you if you didn’t take any positive action to correct it. I’m not saying it’s incorrect, just that if your outside guidelines, you can and should expect abnormal behavior. People other then you have posted about this before, and we found out they had configured the jet way outside of proper guidelines, and were blaming ED for their woes We can’t call it a bug unless we know it should behave differently then what we’re seeing, that being said it’s gonna be hard to find real evidence of that because no professional would use those settings in actual operation, unless he/she had a specific reason such as the one you posted. Otherwise if they did have an accident they’d be at fault for not following guidelines. But yeah ask around someone’s gotta know.

How do you know the real jet doesn’t violently pitch up on TO with AUTO? How do you know demo teams don’t have too apply forward stick and or neutralize trim as a result of that condition? Or that the pitch up is a desired behavior for their purposes? It sounded like that pilot used that setting specifically for a vertical zoom right after TO. It’s part of the procedure for a reason, it throws a caution when the switch is in the wrong position for a reason. It’s not a mechanical flap switch, it’s an FCS mode switch, being in the wrong FCS mode at the wrong time is going to have consequences, that’s why we have procedures. So again how do you know it won’t pitch up in that condition?

That’s my feeling too.

I think your right much of this would depend on AZ/EL page which the lpod also requires for AA mode. Seems like we’re headed there now.

Only issue I have with YouTube tutorials is sometimes the content creator doesn’t know what he/she is doing either, you gotta trust they’ve read the manuals lol Most of the time they do, or they’ll edit, but I’ve seen a few with bad information.

Only if you believe in the moon...:shifty:

I think the new screenies are awesome. Looks like the real thing!

Is it’s idle speed different? Yes

Does it produce different thrust?! Obviously it’s a significant enough difference that they had to produce a whole new manual. How do you possibly know it’s in the ballpark? look I’m saying: “the manuals your using are wrong” People on this thread: “it doesn’t matter” Me: “then how do you know it’s wrong” People on this thread: “the manual says so” Then we get into flight idle vs ground idle, you people keep dismissing variables that will absolutely affect the results of your tests.

It doesn’t matter what I believe. You don’t know what the real performance should be. So you can’t say if the 402 makes that big of a difference. Your assuming it won’t but you don’t know. They won’t change anything based on beliefs and assumptions. You people aren’t going about this scientifically, ED already made the call so unless you prove that their wrong and they then decide they are willing to change it, it doesn’t matter. As far as real life goes, no pilot is going to sit and measure the stopping distance and compare it too NATOPS Their gonna say the hornet takes forever to stop, and call it good.

The problem is: you folks aren’t using them as a “reference” your using them as holy scripture. Which first off they aren’t used that way IRL Second and probably most importantly you have the wrong one which invalidates most if not everything about your tests. Third it wouldn’t matter because you have no idea if ED has deliberately changed the performance. They said it’s correct in their game. But some people refuse to accept that, as if their being cheated by ED, if it’s not 100 percent accurate which is ludicrous because it can’t be.

No I won’t, because you have no idea what the actual difference might be. Your free to post whatever you want though :)

Nothing here is misinformation...unlike scientists we don’t need to prove anything we say. Everyone in UFO community uses the honor system. So you can take this information with ZERO salt.

The performance charts from the above mentioned document do not apply to DCS hornet. Ours has the EPE 402 engines. The document listing it’s performance charts is not publicly available. That one is for the 400 engines.

I don’t know, I’m learning so much about nothing here. :D I had no idea fusion is lie.

No worries :) I don’t understand it completely either, I thought this was a Spanish hornet modification but evidently ED has found some evidence that USMC hornets can/do use it in that configuration, I’m assuming.

It requires an adapter, if they want too allow this option they will need to model the adapter. That goes without saying.

Genuinely concerned about where he was getting all this new and exciting information on the hornet that completely contradicts everything I know about it. Then I discovered this thread...and everything makes sense now. :)

Well you don’t HAVE too...but you certainly could :)

The only time I can see a benefit of using it over the Lpod for targeting is gonna be in a weather/smoke situation. The resolution of SAR is nowhere near an actual image of the target. You almost need to already know it’s location to be able to pick it out of a radar picture.

JTAC/FAC or pre-planned intelligence is gonna be the ideal method for obtaining that data IRL. In the DCS environment your right though, it should give you more precision at range then the Lpod. Which could be useful for our purposes Same way you can do it with just the HUD right now.