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Better yet, lets just get ATFLIR in the game then we can use the LPOD at the boat, and have full NAVFLIR functionality.

Love the cockpit textures, looks very realistic and immersive, and what I would expect of a typical NAVY fighter in heavy use out at sea. Just my opinion of course, but I think they nailed it, and to me its arguably the most well done cockpit in the game.

Press data on the attack radar page and unbox declutter.

Can’t wait to be told where to go on the deck by the AI! :)

I can see it, because if your trimming in AUTO your changing the bias from 1G to whatever you set it too, so if it's +3 or whatever the system thinks you want 3G at neutral stick. Even though your setting that on the ground; because your in AUTO the FCS thinks it's airborne and those settings are retained after WOW goes off. It doesn't know what you want, only what you tell it. So if you trim while in AUTO on the ground the position indicators won't move at all but the computer is still registering trim input for AUTO mode. So once your airborne those settings immediately take effect, which wouldn't be a huge problem IRL because you could just trim it back real quick, but because of the slow rate in DCS it seems like your stuck pitching, but in reality it just takes forever to manually trim back to 1G because of the DCS bug. So long in fact that you might assume it's not working at all, I took off with +3 and it took about a minute of forward trim to get back to 1G at level :D As too coming to a full stop, I would guess some sort of reset is triggered, but that's also interesting.

I'm gonna say what we have is realistic, because every single one of those TOs the pilot had a pretty significant pitch moment, but the difference is they all used very little positive stab trim. Nowhere close to +12 and they had much more control. So if we come back to DCS; people are hot starting or auto starting AND setting TO trim (or more likely its set for them by the game.) Then they attempt an AUTO flaps TO and they experience an extreme pitch moment. Seems reasonable to me. If you don't set TO trim or just use a little positive stab trim and keep the jet light, you'll still experience high pitching just like the demo teams, but it's MUCH more manageable, and in line with those videos. *Edit just tested in game, and my suspicions are correct the pitch up is definitely associated with trim setting, however once airborne it is very hard to trim the FCS back to 1G and that is because the trim rate is so low, and that IS a confirmed bug. So don't use crazy high pitch trim when attempting this because It'll take forever to get back to 1G Or just use the correct settings per the guidelines. :)

What is your trim setting, in each of these cases? I think the reason it pitches up is because your setting TO trim with AUTO. That demo pilot said he used only +3 on stabs. Way below TO trim, see lex’s last post. I’ll bet anything thats the problem.

If that’s the case I’m thinking it has to do with pitch trim settings.

I say Lpod :)

How did you come to the conclusion he's in AUTO flaps in that video?

So if the missiles on first? Is who still on second?

1 AUTO setting is meant for flight, the aircraft trims itself for you. So once airborne in AUTO flaps there should be no need for trimming in pitch at all. 2 No Idea, when I try to trim the aircraft in pitch on the ground with flaps at AUTO the stabs don't move. 3 Could be, glad they're on it. But I never use pitch trim in normal flight with flaps at AUTO because I always want the aircraft trimmed for 1G flight, the only time I could see changing that would be for battle damage/emergencies and even then its hard to imagine a situation that would require less or more the 1G constant in normal flight. Edit*Maybe that's the real issue we're seeing; IRL the aircraft dose pitch up like in DCS but it's also easier to compensate with trim IRL.

As I understand it pitch trimming while in AUTO doesn’t directly change stab position, rather it sets the bias to higher or lower then 1G flight. While trimming in HALF/FULL actually sets the stab position.

I know but he also was only at +3 for trim not +12 and 2gs is awful low for a straight to vertical climb immediately after TO, unless the FCS was “helping” him, and he’s super light. Also I know for a fact hornet demo teams use bob weights for tight formation flying, which literally makes the stick harder to pull. And I wouldn’t call it critical, it would only kill you if you didn’t take any positive action to correct it. I’m not saying it’s incorrect, just that if your outside guidelines, you can and should expect abnormal behavior. People other then you have posted about this before, and we found out they had configured the jet way outside of proper guidelines, and were blaming ED for their woes We can’t call it a bug unless we know it should behave differently then what we’re seeing, that being said it’s gonna be hard to find real evidence of that because no professional would use those settings in actual operation, unless he/she had a specific reason such as the one you posted. Otherwise if they did have an accident they’d be at fault for not following guidelines. But yeah ask around someone’s gotta know.

How do you know the real jet doesn’t violently pitch up on TO with AUTO? How do you know demo teams don’t have too apply forward stick and or neutralize trim as a result of that condition? Or that the pitch up is a desired behavior for their purposes? It sounded like that pilot used that setting specifically for a vertical zoom right after TO. It’s part of the procedure for a reason, it throws a caution when the switch is in the wrong position for a reason. It’s not a mechanical flap switch, it’s an FCS mode switch, being in the wrong FCS mode at the wrong time is going to have consequences, that’s why we have procedures. So again how do you know it won’t pitch up in that condition?

That’s my feeling too.

I think your right much of this would depend on AZ/EL page which the lpod also requires for AA mode. Seems like we’re headed there now.

Only issue I have with YouTube tutorials is sometimes the content creator doesn’t know what he/she is doing either, you gotta trust they’ve read the manuals lol Most of the time they do, or they’ll edit, but I’ve seen a few with bad information.

Only if you believe in the moon...:shifty:

I think the new screenies are awesome. Looks like the real thing!

Is it’s idle speed different? Yes

Does it produce different thrust?! Obviously it’s a significant enough difference that they had to produce a whole new manual. How do you possibly know it’s in the ballpark? look I’m saying: “the manuals your using are wrong” People on this thread: “it doesn’t matter” Me: “then how do you know it’s wrong” People on this thread: “the manual says so” Then we get into flight idle vs ground idle, you people keep dismissing variables that will absolutely affect the results of your tests.

It doesn’t matter what I believe. You don’t know what the real performance should be. So you can’t say if the 402 makes that big of a difference. Your assuming it won’t but you don’t know. They won’t change anything based on beliefs and assumptions. You people aren’t going about this scientifically, ED already made the call so unless you prove that their wrong and they then decide they are willing to change it, it doesn’t matter. As far as real life goes, no pilot is going to sit and measure the stopping distance and compare it too NATOPS Their gonna say the hornet takes forever to stop, and call it good.

The problem is: you folks aren’t using them as a “reference” your using them as holy scripture. Which first off they aren’t used that way IRL Second and probably most importantly you have the wrong one which invalidates most if not everything about your tests. Third it wouldn’t matter because you have no idea if ED has deliberately changed the performance. They said it’s correct in their game. But some people refuse to accept that, as if their being cheated by ED, if it’s not 100 percent accurate which is ludicrous because it can’t be.

No I won’t, because you have no idea what the actual difference might be. Your free to post whatever you want though :)