sylkhan

Insult is the weapon of the weak, but not surprising from you. Like i said i am done with the Phoenix. Happy gaming

Ridiculous. Fisrt, it was a joke, but perhaps a little too subbtle for Jojo...... Second, a phoenix is 4.01 m for 447 kg, a r27er is 4.80m(ouch) for 350kg, not bad :). A fighter, as little as mig29 can carry 2X r27er + 2X r77+2X r73 + fuel tank 1400 kg. Then no, you don't need a fighter as big as f-14 to carry 2X phoenix. I am sure su-27 could carry X4 phoenix easyly But since the phoenix is the deadliest missile of the world :), 2 is more than enough. AMERICAN COMBAT EXPERIENCE with phoenix vs fighters - On January 5, 1999, a pair of US F-14s fired two Phoenixes at Iraqi MiG-25s southeast of Baghdad. Both AIM-54s' rocket motors failed and neither missile hit its target...Ooops :) - On September 9, 1999 another US F-14 launched an AIM-54 at an Iraqi MiG-23 that was heading south into the No-Fly Zone from Al Taqaddum air base west of Baghdad. The missile missed, eventually going into the ground after the Iraqi fighter reversed course and fled north. A little turn and....Oooops :lol: And that's not against modern agile fighters with great jamming systems. To sum up : A DCS f-14 with a radar immune against jamming fighter + the deadliest missile, and you have a winner :) Ok guys, i am done with the meteor, euuuhh the phoenix. DCS is a game after all Happy gaming :)

Then why US desperately try to make an effective long-range missile (meteor like) against moderrn fighters, they already have it,... the old Phoenix from 60/70, They have the technology since 50 years, perhaps they forgot how to do it :) Someone need to tell them, but he has to think twice, before doing that :)

Do you realize we are talking about DCS, or my english is so bad, i don't understand what you mean :) Just do a test with your game , you will not be going in prison :megalol:

My question was for DCS not for RL :) OK DCS F-14 vs a jamming DCS F-16 block 50, at what range the DCS F-14 radar will burn through, at angel 20. Do you have enough informations ?

Yes, i can confirm Question : Would the AIM-54 Phoenix have been capable of engaging enemy fighters successfully if given the chance in combat? Answer : As usual, it depends. Against first- or second-generation fighters with limited or no countermeasures, it would likely have been effective - the targets would have no idea they were being detected and tracked by the AWG-9 and no idea there were AIM-54s inbound until they started exploding, so the weapon would have been pretty lethal. Against more capable targets… there’s a lot of detail about how you counter long-range missiles, and even things like “turn forty-five degree now… and turn ninety degrees the other way now…” can greatly reduce the effectiveness of a long-range shot if timed about right (for which you need a decent radar warning receiver), while chaff, jamming and evasion on “Phoenix seeker head!” would also be pretty effective: the missile was designed to intercept large bombers, not agile fighters, and didn’t have a lot of endgame manoeuvre capability. The couple of US firings while policing the “no fly zones” over Iraq were not lethal (though they were very persuasive in asking the Iraqi aircraft to cease and desist at the highest possible speed). Iran claimed a lot of kills with its F-14/AIM-54 combo, but it’s very hard to confirm their version with any Iraqi records and it’s a subject ripe for exaggeration and propaganda. Phoenix was designed for a specific role (fleet air defence against standoff missile carriers) and would probably have been very good at it; it was never intended to be an anti-fighter weapon and I’d be wary of assuming it would be effective in that job against reasonably capable opponents. Paul Adam, Independent defence consultant https://www.quora.com/Would-the-AIM-54-Phoenix-have-been-capable-of-engaging-enemy-fighters-successfully-if-given-the-chance-in-combat You are right, stupidity is growing nowadays Oh, and nobody is able to answer to my previous question:) strange...

I don't want anything, be sure.

Partial list... It's a forum, we can share our opinion i think.

It's not that important, because we all know that phoenix is a big heavy missile, designed for bombers. it's common sense :)

And ? Mig-21 bison has no glass cockpit, no big MFCD, has a unique design, and for "fighter to be lowest priority", that doesn't means no fighter at all. Documention would not be too hard to obtain. This bird is more attracting, has more possibilties than those in the list, and would sell better But that's just my opinion, and i give it :)

:), really... for you speed is the main factor to be a good (the best)missile against agile fighters with modern countermesure systems ? You can repeat this nonsense, as much as you want, this will not make it a truth. "Despite the successes of the AIM-54, it was still a big heavy missile designed for use against relatively non-maneuvering targets" Charlie Gao "military specialist" https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/who-cares-about-stealth-missile-transformed-air-combat-forever-35092 It's your own words, not mine. I asked a simple question, but nobody seems to be able to answer it, perhaps you ? - at what range the F-14 radar is able to burn-through a modern jamming fighter ?

^^THIS

The best choice : MIG-21 BISON Just a small effort :) for the MFD-55.

Why is it so difficult to just say the true reason : "the f-14 was outdated"

Perhaps because in DCS, ECM doesn't work as intended It has nothing to do with stealth, but with ECM, not the same thing. How react the F-14 radar in ECM envirronnement in DCS ? I think otherwise, we are talking about a 50 years old plane and radar technology

That means a modern combat flight simulator can't be realistic due to classified informations. You are right on this one, all is guestimate. It means nothing mmmh, isn't just because F-18 is a more modern and better multirole fighter with better missiles... Sure :)

After reading this thread, some questions come to my mind : - how an old aircraft like F-14, with an old radar technology can track a modern fighter with a modern ECM pod - what is the burn-throug range of the old radar of F-14, to have a lock, to launch his old missile, with poor manouevrability, and old technology - why the us navy replace the F-14 with F-18, if f-14 is better ? because in DCS, f-14 seems to be better than F-18 for BVR Is it due to DCS limitation, because all that seems to be pure fiction

RTFM was more a joke in the falcon days, bad habit :), will not use it anymore and sorry if it feel condescending.

I am relax. There is no official manual, only a quick guide. What i see on the diagram is the exact same thing as Chuck guide. "Chang azimuth scan range (Except TWS mode)" and it's the official DEKA diagram Don't understand what you mean ? Best regards

RTFM CHUCK Guide p. 134 In TWS mode, the S2 Sensor Control Switch has the following functions: • FWD: Increases Display Distance • AFT: Decreases Display Distance • LEFT: Cycles between RWS, TWS and VS modes • RIGHT: No function.

I can confirm. and same problem with ACM modes, sometimes it get a lot of time to have a lock

30 degree ?? There is no 30 degree, it's 10 degree (20/2) 25 degree (50/2) or 60 degree (120/2) Default TWS is 25 degree (50/2) Default RWS is 60 degree (120/2)

If i cycle with S2 Left, TWS --->VS--->RWS---->TWS, the new TWS azimuth is 60° not 25° like default Azimuth TWS mode. Seems to be a bug

And sometimes they are right...

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