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Try extracting a 2 man recon/sniper team with a P-51 ... we on the other hand used to use a P-6 (Pilatus Porter). I want realism ...

The idea for adding civil aviation to DCS would ideally incorporate the world map as well. And someone mentioned that the FSX crowd want to port to DCS because it's pretty. I doubt anyone thinks that. I'd be happy with an ORBX full world or an X-Plane type full world if I was just interested in *pretty* ... No, I think the primary reason people would want the DCS treatment for civil aviation is because it's DCS; who model amazing systems & flight models. People in FSX and in X-Plane have been wanting a combat module for those sims for years ... FSX got there after a fashion (TACPAC) but doesn't compare to the potential that DCS has to offer; namely a COMPLETE & integrated experience. What about resourcing? I know DCS is a small team; but if they got a toe-hold into the civil aviation market they'd be tapping into the largest and biggest spending demographic in the flight simulation hobby, so of course the ED team would likely have to expand to cater for this but imagine this for a moment ... what do you think would happen when the likes of PMDG, A2A, MILVIZ, AirFoilLabs, ORBX, ASN Weather Gen, REX Weather Gen etc. all start creating content for DCS? When that happens, I reckon DCS would reach a tipping point into the Golden Era for flight-simming; combat & civil. For planting the idea of this super-charged marketing strategy, all I ask is free access to all DCS content into perpetuity back-dated to today ;). Worried about the DCS name? No worries ... DC2S might work. The C2 refers to Combat and Civil. IMO (and opinions are common as muck lol) ... DCS:Combat&Civil (DC2S:World) as described above would massacre FSX, Prepar3D & X-Plane.

Oh .. and there's a reason people keep asking for GA in DCS ... it's called *physics*.

There are plenty of GA planes in the military A proper *sandbox* sim won't channel the player into a specific role. Basically what a sandbox should provide is an open world where the player is pretty much left to their own devices on how the world will operate and develop. It's NOT on rails, so players are free to recreate RL environments if they choose, but equally free to fly in a polka-dot C-47 transports airlifting popsicles into beleaguered Berlin in a heavily modified WWII scenario. Courtesy of Wikipedia L-19/O-1 Bird Dog, used by Forward Air Controllers during the Vietnam War The Stinson L-5 Sentinel was a World War II era liaison aircraft used by all branches of the U.S. military and by the British Royal Air Force. Douglas C-47 flareship FACs began the forward air control mission in South Vietnam During the 1960s and 1970s, the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA)-controlled airline Air America operated up to 23 PC-6s at a time. Many of these were operated in the South-East Asia region, including South Vietnam during the Vietnam War. The type was used for various missions including paradropping supplies to troops, passenger transport, psy ops, reconnaissance, prisoner conveyance, airborne radio relay, and other intelligence operations. GAF Nomad is a twin-engined turboprop Military operators Nomad N22B at the Museum of Australian Army Flying in 2007. Indonesian Navy Nomad N24A in 2007. Philippine Air Force Nomad N22SL at Mactan–Cebu International Airport in 2012. Australian Army Aviation 173rd Aviation Squadron - one N22 (prototype, leased), 20 N22B , four N24A School of Army Aviation (two N22B seconded from 173rd Aviation Squadron specifically to train Papua New Guinea Defence Force student pilots) Royal Australian Air Force - one N22B, one Nomad Searchmaster, three N24A No. 75 Squadron RAAF Aircraft Research and Development Unit Indonesian Navy - 42 N22B and N24A Nomad - 23 in storage: status AOG, 19 airworthy and six in service.[13] Papua New Guinea Defence Force Philippine Air Force - 20 Nomads (three in service) Philippine Navy - 15 N24A Nomad Royal Thai Air Force (N22B) Royal Thai Navy (N24A) Australian Customs Service (Coastwatch) United States Customs Service DHC-3 Otter - Military operators Argentine Air Force: Former operator Royal Australian Air Force: Two Otters (RAAF serial A100-1 and 2) were in service with the RAAF from 1961 to 1967. The aircraft were used for passenger and freight transport duties at the Weapons Research Establishment, Woomera, South Australia. No. 1 Air Trials Unit Bangladesh Air Force: Former operator Burma Air Force Khmer National Air Force: Former operator Royal Canadian Air Force .. etc etc DHC-6 Twin Otter CC-138 Twin-engine STOL utility transport, search and rescue aircraft for the Canadian Forces. Based on the Series 300 aircraft. UV-18A Twin-engine STOL utility transport aircraft for the U.S. Army Alaska National Guard. Six built. It has been replaced by the C-23 Sherpa in US Army service. UV-18B Parachute training aircraft for the United States Air Force Academy. The United States Air Force Academy's 98th Flying Training Squadron maintains three[30] UV-18s in its inventory as free-fall parachuting training aircraft,[31] and by the Academy Parachute Team, the Wings of Blue, for year-round parachuting operations. Based on the Series 300 aircraft. UV-18C United States Army designation for three Viking Air Series 400s delivered in 2013.[32] Operators[edit] Beechcraft Military aircraft A USAF T-6A Texan II out of Randolph Air Force Base Beechcraft UC-43 Traveler Earliest and impressed examples were stock, others had minor alterations to meet Military specifications. Beechcraft AT-7 Navigator/C-45/UC-45/CT-128 Expeditor Model 18s built for the Military with minor modifications. Beechcraft AT-11 Kansan Military derivative of the Model 18 fitted for training bombardiers and gunners Beechcraft CT-134 Musketeer Canadian military derivatives of the Musketeer/Sundowner series. Beechcraft AT-10 Wichita Twin-engined trainer built primarily of wood. Beechcraft XA-38 Grizzly Prototype 1944 twin-engined attack aircraft. Beechcraft T-34 Mentor & T-34C Turbine Mentor Single-engined two-seat trainer loosely derived from straight tail Bonanza. Beechcraft XT-36 Cancelled trainer and transport aircraft. Beechcraft L-23, U-8A through U-8E Seminole Off-the-shelf Twin Bonanza. Beechcraft T-42 Cochise Off the shelf Baron. Beechcraft Model 73 Jet Mentor Prototype for two-seat tandem jet trainer. C-6 Ute/U-21 Ute Off the shelf King Air. Beechcraft U-8F (or later) Seminole Military version of Queen Air. Beechcraft C-12 Huron/RC-12 Guardrail/CT-145 Super King Air Super King Air for US and Canadian militaries. Beechcraft T-1A Jayhawk Military version of Model 400 used as a trainer for pilots of large aircraft in the US military. Beechcraft T-6 Texan II/CT-156 Harvard II redesigned Pilatus PC-9 turboprop two-seat trainer for JPATS competition. Beechcraft King Air C90 Military operators US Army VC-6A,(LJ-153), used by Wernher von Braun, displayed at White Sands Missile Range Museum Algeria Algerian Air Force[26] Argentina Argentine Army Aviation - One King Air 100.[27] Barbados Barbados Defence Force[citation needed] Bolivia Bolivian Air Force - One King Air 90, One King Air F90.[28] Canada Canadian Forces Air Command / Royal Canadian Air Force Eight C90A King Airs were operated by Bombardier Aerospace as civil-registered trainers on behalf of the Canadian Armed Forces between 1992 and 2005.[29] Since 2005 the Allied Wings consortium has operated seven civil-registered C90B King Airs on behalf of the CAF/RCAF.[30][31][32] Cessna's - don't even get me started on the Cessna's - 337, 185, 210, 182 ... etc There are plenty more examples. Most people who say *NO* to GA planes in a purportedly *sandbox* sim have a very narrow point of view as to what combat roles aviation can participate in. E.g. I mostly play casevac and resup roles ... or WWII. The fast jests and the A10 leave me cold and uninterested apart from the fact that they're airplanes ... I love em all. From my own military experience I can say that the bulk of the flying I did (as a grunt) was in aircraft that have a civvie counterpart E.g Nomad, P-6, Kiowa, Huey You want fantasy? Go fly around in a sky exclusively full of F-18's, SU-27's & A-10's ... if you want real, then put some meat into the sim.

Quite a reasonable wishlist from hotshotmike, but ok ... mate ... we come to you to vet these kinds of things now?

Reality Expansion Pack by SIMCODERS. Like A2A Accusim stuff only for X-Plane. Currently available for the Carenado C210, F33A and V35 Bonanza. Soon to be available REP for the Baron! Anything from REP is essential kit for X-Planers.

I haven't got the module yet but will as soon as I can. This thread reminds me a bit of a similar contention about the flight model of the AS350 Eurocopter in X-Plane. Many were complaining about how twitchy and uncontrollable it's flight model was. There were even helicopter pilots on both sides of the debate but in my opinion what it came down to was difference in equipment throw between real-life full size controls and joysticks that we commonly use. With that in mind, I modified my X52 and removed the centering sping .. and was able henceforth to micro control the chopper into any attitude I chose. Complete control .. it was an amazing change. I'll certainly look forward to testing this out with the Gazelle asap.

Woohoo .. it's 6th of May today! Is it out yet?

Agree with Hadwell, DCS isn't a money pit .. in the long run it's much cheaper than mmo's that's for sure. Much better value too! :)

It's up to a developer really if they want to test the waters. The decision to test these waters can happen despite the different opinions floating around the forums .. and we all know what floats. In my opinion (& this opinion is just another floater among the general flotsam); Polychop should go ahead and build a civvie plane. The sales of that would provide a much better metric than forum chatter .. imo. Yes .. I'd snap up a C208 (the Edit .. Cessna Caravan .. with the floats option) or a DHC-2 & 3 or Twin Otter in a heart-beat .. also used by a number of airforces btw. A pilatus porter would be awesome too .. we used to have those in the Australian Army. What about an AS350 .. I'd have a sex change and have your baby for that. Cheers

FSX, X-Plane & Prepar3D here. IMO DCS does choppers really well. I'm hoping that eventually it will expand to include civilian aircraft and I would ditch all my other flightsims in favour of DCS if it had an expanded *real* world environment AND civilian aircraft (transports will be a good start). Keep in mind that over the the years I have spent a LOT of money on my civilian flying fix. My expenditure on DCS has been a splash in the bucket by comparison .. and I know that I'm not unique in this.

If a developer decides to do civilian planes that is great imo. There are plenty of non-frontline non-combat aircraft that fly support during a conflict. Personally I would love for DCS to expand beyond being purely a combat simulator and being a complete sandbox simulator. It would be great if DCS could be used to fly combat operations via VATSIM Special Operations.

Fantastic work as always JST. Thanks ... love this one! The EDIT: This is my favourite Dora skin; and arguably my favourite skin in general. I am unbeatable when I fly this skin; obviously it's the placebo effect.

JST, I bow to your prodigious talent! Thank you for sharing it with the community. Cheers!

Still borked :) ; but who needs medals anyway?

I'll try to be there Saturday morning Australian Eastern Time (UTC +10), pending family commitments. At least ping rates are kinda acceptable on DoW server :). I hope there's some labels (just a period . dot would be good) otherwise I'll just be so much canon fodder!

Ah .. thanks Blaze.

Please excuse my ignorance JST, could you explain the nature of the issue. Is the picture not representative of a real K4 or is it something else.

DCS is a sandbox sim. The airplane mix depends entirely on the mission/campaign designer. What this means is that you can have historical match ups or not if that's what you want. How is it that this isn't obvious? :doh: The Edit .. looks like everyone else has got n before me lol.

This is my solution as well. Seems to work.

Shivers .. that Sea Fury is freaking beautiful. Hope someone is making a Tempest too! If I could rep you I would ... but I've been told to spread the love around :D

Wow .. the rendering of that Spitty and P-40 in the back-ground is so lifelike, they almost look real!

You mean to tell me you actually *care* about modern farakin fighters? Really!? You trying to say that DCS as a WWII platform is a *derailment, WTFRU talking about Willis?? Let me tell you sumpfink pendero ... *derailments* only happen when you get a brace of low flying Apache's shooting up a steam locomotive ... and I'm not talking about those egg-beaters either FYI. A *real* virtual pilot with hair on his chest fly's stick and rudder ... :P puts a mad glint in his eyes which can't be got from any other source! Stick and rudder all the way mister! Not some namby pamby, nimbley pimbley flying computer! You comprehend meeow? :mad:

Ow! Them's fighting words fella ... you're talking about a buxom sheila with glorious curves here. Glorious curves and heaps of character, bevan heaven queen of the skies, Brunhilde wrought in aluminum, the bird that gives a visceral meaning to *joystick* ... she's the girl you don't notice at first but who has a boatload of spirit and not too proud to give you the ride of your life. She's right up there with the Dora and the 109 IMO; as far as character is concerned ... and ... she's a RADIAL! :thumbup:

Didn't the Bf109 have all metal blades? The Dora had wooden blades.