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Well, indeed. And that is why I waited to get the VKB adapter for the Hornet in preference to filing down a second Warthog adapter. I suspect the Hornet adapter has different firmware so that you can distinguish between the Hornet grip and the Warthog grip. Let's wait to hear back from someone from VKB to confirm or refute.

451,48 pre dates Ampere. So it won't work. Turing and earlier, it will.

Everyone's a critic! Yeah, you are correct. Thanks. That is what you get for multi-tasking. But anyways, if it helps anyone then that is something good.

Message / question for VKB reps: A few weeks ago I bought a VKB Gunfighter II to Thrustmaster Hornet grip adapter from your EU store. Today I downloaded the latest "VKB Device Firmware v2.00.7 from the support section of your website. While there is firmware specific to the Thrustmaster Warthog grip, will you be providing firmware for the Thrustmaster Hornet grip? Thanks a bunch. Love and kisses. Flowers and bunny rabbits.

Okay, no worries. I missed this earlier.

No need for me to write tons about this. Just a heads up for you all. 451.48 is the last good one. Since then drivers have been causing stutters. But there are no Ampere drivers out there that are not affected; 451.48 is pre-Ampere. Nvidia aware of the problem (were able to replicate) and are working (all day and night I would imagine) on a solution. Whoopsie! (This might explain why @Aurelius found 6000-series AMD cards to have a smoother rendering pipeline compared to Ampere in VR with DCS.) Download 451.48 here: https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/drivers/results/161303/ Details / background reading here:

For information everyone: I saw some people complain about laggy behaviour with their Nvidia cards. This may - or may not - explain it. If you've been updating your graphic driver (or it is done automatically for you) Nvidia has been experiencing problems on drivers after 451.48. (This is the last good one). See here: will start a new post highlighting this for people. https://www.reddit.com/r/virtualreality/comments/jjhkne/nvidia_drivers_since_45148_causing_dropped_frames/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

Answer 1) Yes. Answer 2) Besides it is better head tracking than TrackIR or any of the Track IR Clones. So if you have been using any of those... it is an upgrade.

Hilarious. I almost laughed.

Grandma. Eggs.

You've based your analysis on what: what do you know about my current PC?

1) You need not buy a 5800X, 5900X or 5950X. Get a 5600X unless you are basing your decision on more than just DCS and need >=10 cores to match the 10900K of course. 2) B550 motherboards are as little as £80. Personally I prefer the "mid / premium" ones at £180. No need to pay £400-500 for fancy X570 boards unless you want to. 3) Sell your Z490 and 10900K: still worth quite a lot to many people. It is not a $1000 upgrade. Much less. Just apply appropriate man maths. hehhee heh!

1) I came to the same conclusion as you. If I upgrade (I am lucky to have a 2080 Ti which performs acceptably with the right settings) it would likely be the 6800XT, although I can afford the 6900XT and might go for that if I manage to snag one at a reasonable price. All the 6000-series are ridiculously short supply in Europe right now. Ehh... I am in no rush. 2) Yes I know that. Obviously. But when usual performance margins between 6800XT, 3080, 6900XT and 3090 are so small the one thing you want to avoid is a hard bottleneck like the disappointing GDDR memory allocated to the 3080. For the average gamer it will matter little and you can always lower settings. But my use case is not average: DCS, 5K monitor / or G2 and I want to play missions with lots of planes. And I don't play any other computer games, so I don't give a damn about raytracing or performance in Steampunk or whatever. 16GB should be good, I'd thunk. If I cared about ray tracing I would wait for the 3080 Ti.

Bob, I am pretty sure that I can help you get a better result. Overclocking is actually very easy, but not everyone wants to learn how and to mess around with it. Some motherboards allow you to do "one click" overclocking, but even that usually requires you to go into the BIOS of your computer's motherboard as it start up in order to change a setting. Not everyone has the confidence to do that, even though it is well worth the effort with Intel CPUs that allow it, and it is actually very easy. Easy - at least - to do a basic overclock that gets you "low hanging fruit". However one complication of overclocking is that you do need to consider higher heat build up from your CPU and inside your case. So you do need to get - at minimum - a premium air cooler like the BeQuiet Dark Rock Pro 4 or the Noctua NH-D15. And you also need to make sure you have good air flow into and out of your case. It's not hard, but don't ignore this if you overclock. However the new AMD CPUs, the Ryzen 5000 series offers the best CPU performance current available in the consumer PC space. And the nice thing about them is that you don't need to overclock them to get the best from them. Plug and play. No overclocking faffing around. It is still worthwhile to get good cooling (and spend money on this... it makes a difference). But the CPUs are also quite energy efficient and so will put out less heat than overclocked Intel CPUs of similar performance (9900K, 10700K and 10900K). (Finally the OP is right that clock speed matters for DCS. But also the architecture gains from AMDs CPUs relative to intel also yields a very noticeable performance improvement. So it is not just about clock speed. Certainly when looking between AMD and Intel). If I were you I would either overclock what you have (and consider cooling). Or if you have a little cash available buy a 5600X and a B550 motherboard. You should also get 3200 MHz CL 14 or 3600 CL 16 memory to go with it ideally.

1) Thanks for your feedback. Always good to get data points from people that are into DCS rather than just general gaming. 2) I think the furball situation is really the major advantage of the 3090 vs the 3080 for people that use DCS. (There are other advantages for rendering and semi-pro applications, but much less so for general, non-DCS gaming). The reason for this is that furballs with lots of aircraft actually uses more than the 10GB memory available with the 3080. The 24GB in the twice as expensive GPU allows the GA102 to keep chugging through its calculations without coming up for air. The interesting question though is, does the 16GB available in the RX 6800, RX 6800 XT and RX 6900 XT allow the same furball headroom provided by the 3090 at much, much lower cost. Anyone lucky enough with one of the Big Navi's care to chip in... that is if you are not too busy saving some B-17s in a massive furball over Normandy that is!

@1Wolf I can give you a definitive answer. Specifically for DCS the 5900X and 5950X performance will be the same*. (* It is possible that there might be a very, very small maybe 1% difference because of fairly technical infinity fabric considerations, or slight different in clock speeds, but it is almost certain to be unobservable except by logging data on a spreadsheet and pouring over graphs... you would not notice it in use. Hence I say no difference). Indeed 5900X and 5950X performance will also be the same as the 5600X and 5800X. Now clearly all these CPUs are very different prices. So which choice makes sense to you depends on what else you use your PC for and what is available and how impatient you are. Also the argument that 6 cores is not enough and you need 8, 12 or 16 cores... for DCS: no you don't. Even if you have always on background applications (antivirus, RGB software, fan controller and whatever else) and you run VoiceAttack, Discord, Steam VR etc etc. 6 cores is still enough. Maybe if you are a streamer you might want more cores, but then a lot of streamers have second PCs to do that anyways. But if you want 8, 12 or 16 for other stuff, or you want to contribute to my 401K and AMD shares then great! Knock yourself out. In fact buy two please! In terms of spending money, you are better off asking "how can I keep my CPU cool enough?" so that the AMD boost algo will keep my CPU running at peak clock speed for as long as possible. Or by investing in sweet spot fast memory. (I already assume you are running on SSDs and HDDs are retired to a NAS or cold storage).

@JayRoc Coming late to this topic: thank you for posting the methodology and conclusions. I am tempted by all this shiny new silicon being released and I have been considering an upgrade. Information is power etc. I'm not paying scalper prices so I have not rushed into anything, but maybe prices will be more sensible in the new year. Appreciated!

Some VKB / Thrustmaster Hornet grip users passed away while waiting. RIP.

I'd just like to thank Jenson and all the scalpers for the Ampere supply shortages. Really very, very, very grateful to them!

Agreed. The grip is overall great. But it's one huge weakness - and it is a big one - is the trigger. How could they mess up so badly on arguably the most important button of the lot on the grip? Let's face it... the trigger feel is terrible.

Thanks for the feedback. If you've gone the full hog for one of those 3090s, then no doubt you will be looking at Zen 3... Even though peak clocks are down a bit on your 9700KF overclock, the IPC gains mean that it will surpass what you are getting and nudge your bottleneck up a bit further. Enjoy the amazing rig.

Wow. This user feedback is pretty exciting.

Sensible comment. But at the same time, very interested in this content. If you can create the campaign in parallel with module development then "no worries"!

Ahh, I think it is pretty easy. 1. Click on "new thread" 2. Write the title, message and click the box at the bottom "Post a Poll; yes, post a poll with this thread" 3. Options: Enter "2" presumably and take it from there.

I'd love one of these F-16 throttles in 2022. But I'd love one in 2021 even more. And $250-350: totally fine with that. Especially if it is coming from the EU. Well can you set up a poll? Lets get a count going.