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Imo it is well worth to wait 2 or 3 months for Alder-Lake and DDR5, even if it's only to see if Rocket-Lake / Comet-Lake and DDR4 will have a price drop. When both get released, one can still choose the older generation of CPU and RAM if it's not worth to pay the higher price for the new ones. It's just one of my principles, not to invest any money in a technology that is going to end soon while the new one is already on the horizon (well, except for cars as i love oldtimers). And when i build a new PC, i'm always planning for the future to make it last as long as possible. If that system lasts me three, four or even 5 years with a later installed 14th gen CPU, imo it was worth to spend the higher price in the new tech. Always skipping one or 2 generations of GPU's, so the NVIDIA 40xx series is nothing i consider. LGA 2011-3 is my first socket ever, for wich i didn't purchase a newer CPU later. With LGA 1200 there is no room for an upgrade anymore, since there will be no more CPUs beeing developed for that socket and it may die soon after LGA 1700 has been released. LGA 1700 is planned to house 12th, 13th and 14th gen Core (Alder-Lake, Raptor-Lake and Meteor-Lake - Lunar-Lake is then planned for LGA1800 in 2023). I know, it's just a roadmap wich is certainly subject to change in the future. Maybe there won't be any need to replace the CPU within the next 2 or 3 years, but if.. it is good to have the possibility without rebuilding the complete system imo. I guess that, compared to most people, i just have a different (weird?) philosophy when it comes to PC upgrades. Very true. I've read, that DDR5 of the same speed (i.e. DDR5-4000 vs. DDR4-4000) should have a 37% higher performance than DDR4. So DDR5-6400 should be significant faster than everything DDR4 has to offer. But as you said, on paper and it is yet to be seen how much of a difference it makes in games/apps. But i'm confident there will be a good increase in performance, especially when DDR5-8400 will arrive. DDR5 is said to be the biggest step ever achieved with RAM, but this also has to be proven practically. This is very interseting, as the 10900K is 520,-€ and the 11900K is 529,-€ over here. 10850K is at 459,- € over here, so not that much of a difference as it is in your area. Boxed with cooler (i know, no one needs that), the 10900K is 607,-€ and the 11900K is 579,-. So even cheaper than the 10900K, wich imo is ridiculous. With that pricelist you mentioned, the 10900K would indeed be the better choice and the 10850K would definately the best choice of all, no doubt. Totally agree. But you also have to see, that those assumed 15-20% of performance increase is not a thing for me, as i'm coming from a 6800K and the increase in performance should be significant higher for me. Also, i'm playing plenty of other games as well, so for these there should also be a significant advantage over the older gen CPU's. Hopefully. The pricetag of the new CPUs, RAM and Mainboards is definately a huge thing to consider, no doubt about that. I'm planning to spend roughly 1500-1800€ for the new hardware when i upgrade. Point is, that i'm already running a MSI Suprim 3090, pretty new SSDs and a brand new BeQuiet 1200W Platinium PSU, so i can spent the complete budget for new MB, CPU and RAM only (well, new cooler as well as LGA1700 will have a different footprint than 37,5mm x 37,5mm Intel uses since LGA775), wich (i hope) should give me plenty of room for the new system. And yes, aiming for the 12900K and 64GB DDR5-6400 of course. On the other hand, i can absolutely understand when someone does not want to spend the money for the new stuff, especially if he also has to purchase a new GPU these days. Again Sir, thank you very much for that interesting discussion and plenty of information, as well as for convincing me not to go the AMD route. Was realy helpful for me!

Ich glaube, das kann man kaum besser veranschaulichen

Unter GUILayer -> Toggle VR Zoom oder so ähnlich. Ist aber nicht stufenlos wie der 2D Zoom.

The 10900K is only 9€ cheaper than the 11900K over here, so it would be a no brainer if i had to choose one of both. Especially since Rocket Lake supports PCI 4.0 while Comet-Lake S is still PCIe 3.0. Indeed very interesting info about the 10850K, i wasn't aware of it beeing a i9. This made me google if there is an equal CPU of the newer generation (i.e. 11850K) but it seems like there is none. Anyways, found out that LGA1700 socket with Alder-Lake are most likely beeing released prior to Christmas 2021 and also will most likely support DDR5 RAM. There are also rumors that Alder-Lake may already have PCIe 5.0 support, so i'm realy curious to see if this turns out to be true. Still skeptical about PCIe 5.0 to be released prior to Raptor-Lake, but we'll see. JEDEC already confirmed DDR5-6400 and that DDR5 will go up to 8400 MHz in the nearby future. No way i'm gonna upgrade my PC with a DDR4 system when DDR5 and maybe even PCIe 5.0 are already on the horizon. I think my system will be able to run all my games for the next 3-4 months, so no hurry. Thanks for pushing me in that direction and for making me google the latest news, otherwise i could have ended with a Ryzen 9 and then beeing frustrated that i upgraded when the new technology arrives only 2 or 3 months later.

Valid point there. I've almost only had Intel CPU's as well, just one time i choosed AMD over Intel when "everyone" ran the AMD Athlon 64. Still went with the AMD Opteron 1220 instead of the Athlon64. I've also always been happy with my Intel systems. My 1080Ti died early this year, but i was able to run my Reverb G2 at low-medium settings and acceptable fps with it. CPU is oc'ed to 4.2GHz (all cores). Now with the 3090 i still have Steam SS reduced to 60%, but quite a few DCS settings (Textures, Terrain Textures, visible range) on high now and still my fps are slightly better than with the 1080Ti. Even with that stone aged and only moderate overclocked CPU (was surprised by myself). But i'm sure my VR experience will be much better with a newer CPU, wich is why i'm thinking about an upgrade too. However, i'm considering a Ryzen 9 but i'm still not 100% sure wich CPU to choose in the end and, equally important, when to upgrade. AMD or Intel? Get it soon or wait and see what Intel provides with those LGA 1700 and LGA 1800 sockets. LGA 1800 might still be too far in the future, but LGA 1700 will most likely be released at the end of 2021 (i think i remember to read Q4 2021 somewhere), so 'im not sure if it's a good idea to buy a LGA 1200 CPU now. If LGA 1700 is significant better than LGA 1200, it's propably worth getting one of those CPU's. If not, LGA 1200 CPU's (and Mainboards) will propably still see a significant pricedrop when LGA 1700 is released. I know there is no perfect time to upgrade a PC, but that close to a new socket beeing released? ...it's propably not a good time i guess. Q3 is over in pretty much exactly 6 weeks. Wasn't it Q4 for Vulkan and Q3 for the Apache? Can't remember, maybe i'm confusing these two. Anyways, i highly doubt that we will see Vulkan for DCS in 2021.

Wich again lets me wonder why you'd pick the 10900K? If i understand your benchmark link properly the 11900K is the better CPU, also for DCS. Due to 8c/16t instead of 10c/20t it may have a little disadvantage compared to the 10900K when DCS switches to Vulcan, but only god (and ED) knows when this will finally happen. Besides that, i'm curious why you (and others) go the Intel route and not the AMD route? Don't get me wrong, i'm also on Intel right now (6800K) and i'd like to stay with them as i'm still unsure how OC with AMD works, but after all i've read and heard i'm realy considering a 5900X or 5950X for my next PC. Honestly i'd prefer HEDT series with 8 RAM slots and Quad-Channel, but the AMD Threadripper series is horribly expensive and Intels LGA 2066 is outdated and will propably end in the nearby future...

I don't know if the 11900K performs better in DCS, it's just that i wondered why someone does not choose the newer gen CPU when money isn't an issue. The Ryzen Zen3 are said to perform better in DCS, that's what i meant. Is the 10900K better for DCS than the 11900K? I'm realy interested in this topic, as i'm thinking about upgrading my system as well.

"AMD changes everything" and "AMD will now crush NVIDIA", or simply "AMD finally wins" like said in this click-bait video, is what i've heard during the announcment of the 5000 series and again with the 6000 series. Basically this is what you hear everytime AMD is about to release a new gfx card series and how often did it turn out to be true? Not a single time. They are still way behind NVIDIA and propably will always be. The 6800X has significant more VRAM than the 3080 and the 3080TI and cannot compete with both of them in most games. And the NVIDIA 40xx series will propably beat the shit out of the AMD 7000 series. As it has always been. I'm happy to purchase a AMD card when these are better in comparision, it's just that i'm purchasing NVIDIA for almost 20 years now because AMD/ATi has never been better than NVIDIA during the last 2 decades.

Absolutely right. My mistake, that was a typo. Of course i meant the "L" variant. Sorry for that.

Since your planning for a 3090, i doubt money is an issue. So my question would be, why not going for a 11900K? Or a Ryzen 5900X or 5950X as these, from all i've read, should perform better for DCS. Just wondering...

Ah yes of course. Thanks for the reminder, realy forgot about that image in the marianas trailer.

This sounds to me as if this is a WMR / SteamVR issue that affects DCS or vice versa. Are you running WMR / SteamVR in beta? If so, maybe try to switch to stable version within Steam. IIRC some people reported performance issues with the beta versions of SteamVR and WMR for SteamVR in the past. Also try to install the latest NVIDIA driver or if already done, maybe a rollback. I know how you feel right now, that realy s*cks. My 1080Ti smoked away just 3 weeks after my G2 arrived.

Ditto. Also read from someone in the Forum that he had mapped each of the TM Cougar MFD buttons with "left mouse click" and he just has to look at the buttons ingame and it doesn't matter if he presses a wrong button on the TM Cougar MFD. Sounded interesting as well.

Totally agree. Especially buddy lasing will be a lot of fun. It's just that the FCR in combo with the "K" variant would be the cherry on top of all...

Thank you very much for the clarification. I just hoped the AGM-114L is an indicator that we will get the FCR...

Well, i realy didn't experiment with the setting for visible range. I always thought that this affects spotting enemy aircrafts in dogfights/WVR so i just put visible range, and a few other options, from medium (resp. low) to high after installing my new gfx card early this year. I only checked for performance differences and performance was even better compared to the old settings/gfx card, so i didn't bother anymore. This is my experience too. I have it set to 2x as 4x has too much of a fps hit for me. But with MSAA set to off it's unplayable for me quality wise.

Wait, is that true? This setting does not affect the distance at wich i can visually detect aircrafts in the sky and i have it set to high for no reason all the time? Give me a brake, i guess i need a glass of scotch right now...

Can the AGM-114L be used without the Longbow Radar? If not, we will also get the Apaches FCR since the AGM-114L is confirmed? Or will this be similar to the F-16 where we can have HARMS on stations from wich they can't be fired?

Just to make sure as you didn't mention it. Have you tried a DCS repair?

Apologize sir, my translation was propably false as english isn't my native language. Here is a link as example, but it's a german site so you might propably want to search for something in your region: https://www.myaluprofil.de/zubehoer-aluminiumprofile/Zubehoer-Aluprofile-I-Typ/zubehoer-nut-8-i-typ/ Cheers

I highly doubt they are even selling to private customers. They most likely have government contracts wich do not allow to sell this stuff to ordinary people. And even if they do, it's not made in china but made in EU/germany. Therefore i wouldn't be too surprised if this HOTAS is close to 10k, as germany is not realy known for cheap products. For a HOTAS developed and manufactured in germany, i would expect a price of 2k if it is specificly made for home PC flight simming, but not if it is made for professional flight training...

WinWing should better take care about a non-fake CE certification, so that their products are legal to ship into the European Union without the risk of national customs confiscates the shipment, instead of producing a EUROfighter HOTAS that is illegal to purchase, sell and operate for EUROpean customers. Yet alone a Typhoon grip from TM would be enough as we could use it on Virpil and Realsimulator bases. And i'm pretty sure VKB would come up with an adaptor for it ASAP, so the VKB customers can enjoy it too.

Ich will jetzt kein Miesepeter sein, aber ich glaub auf Garantie geht das dann nicht mehr, nachdem Du einen eignen Reparaturversuch unternommen hast. Oder doch? Das ist wohl irgendwie eine Nebenwirkung wenn man sich mit sowas auskennt und es selber reparieren kann, man tut es dann eben auch wenn Garantie drauf ist. Ich hab bei meiner ersten Alyx Session gleich mal ne Wasserflasche abgeräumt. Seitdem hält der Deckel vom Batterieschacht des rechten Controllers nur noch halblebig und wackelt. Obwohl der Teil vom Controller gar nichts abbekommen hat (Gehäuse verzogen?). Ansonsten hatte ich mit der G2 bisher keine wirklichen Probleme (manchmal wird sie nicht erkannt und ich muss den USB-Port wechseln), aber nach allem was ich hier bisher gelesen habe wird mein nächstes HMD eher kein HP Logo tragen.

Ja und nein. Erstaunlicherweise konnte ich nach dem upgrade auf die 3090 ein paar Grafikeinstellungen in DCS ohne Performanceverlust erhöhen. Zumindest konnte ich nicht wirklich einen Leistungsverlust feststellen. Zuvor hatte ich alle Einstellungen die ich jetzt auf "hoch" habe, auf "mittel" oder "niedrig" gehabt. Außer die Wolken, die gabs da noch nicht. Ok, das sind nicht viele Einstellungen, aber immerhin. Von daher "merke" ich da jetzt nicht wirklich ein Problem (was natürlich nicht heißt, dass die CPU kein sehr enger Flaschenhals ist). Bei anderen Spielen merke ich den Flaschenhals schon eher, weil ich da einen direkten Vergleich im RL Freundeskreis habe (Von denen spielt leider niemand DCS, schon gar nicht in VR). Ein guter Freund von mir hat genau die gleiche Karte (selber Hersteller und selbes Modell) und ebenfalls 64GB 3000er RAM, hat jedoch einen 10920X im Mainboard stecken und z.B. Red Dead Redemption 2 läuft bei dem deutlich besser. Und zwar sehr deutlich. Der spielt das absolut flüssig mit allen Grafikoptionen höher als bei mir. In 4K und mit HDR wohlgemerkt, während ich mit HD Auflösung auskommen und trotzdem runterdrehen muss, um stabile 60fps zu bekommen. Würde der DCS mit ner G2 spielen, würd ich dann wahrscheinlich schon ein kleines bisschen abkotzen wenn ich den Vergleich mit eigenen Augen sehe Ich eigentlich auch und ich wollte die 30er Generation ursprünglich überspringen, aber mir blieb leider nix anderes übrig. Ich hatte davor eine 1080Ti drin. Ende letzten Jahres war bei mir bezüglich DCS ein bisschen die Luft raus und Anfang Dezember kam dann die G2 (meine erste VR Brille) und da war ich dann schon wieder ganz böse rückfällig mit meinem Suchtverhalten. Und im Januar ist mir die Karte dann abgeraucht. Also so richtig, es hat gezischt und geraucht und danach musste ich erstmal Durchlüften weils ganz übel nach verschmohrter Elektrik gerochen hat. Glück gehabt, dass keine der anderen Komponenten was abbekommen hat, der PCIe Slot verabschiedet sich bei sowas ja auch gerne mal mit. Da bin ich dann fast die Wand nuff, wie der Schwabe sagt und zu dem Zeitpunkt gab es einfach nichts anderes. Keine 3070, keine 3080, nichts von AMD, absolut nichts lieferbar außer eben die 3090. Und für unbestimme Zeit warten bis es was anders gibt war völlig ausgeschlossen. Da blieb mir einfach nix anderes übrig, als in den ganz sauren Apfel zu beißen. Normalerweise wäre 1 Riese für ne GraKa meine absolute Schmerzgrenze gewesen, aber die ist dann auf einen Schlag unerklärlicherweise sprunghaft angestiegen. Dann jedoch nochmal das gleiche Geld wie für die Karte für ein komplett neues System ausgeben, war mir dann doch ein bisschen zuviel. Immerhin hab ich noch ein Schnäppchen (wenn man es denn so nennen kann) gemacht und die Karte neu für etwas unter 2K bekommen. Eine Woche später war sie fast 500€ teurer.

Theoretisch ja, praktisch brauchst Du dafür jedoch Vergleichswerte. Finden sich bestimmt welche online. Da aber jede CPU unterschiedlich ist, lässt sich das nur bedingt 1:1 übertragen. Als grobe Orientierung aber wohl ok. Wenn also z.B. Leute in Foren schreiben, dass sie die selbe CPU auf 5.0 GHz stabil übertaktet haben, heißt das noch lange nicht dass Du Deinen auch auf 5.0 GHz bekommst, geschweige denn dass er da stabil läuft bzw. die Temperatur nicht zu hoch wird. Das war etwas unglücklich formuliert, aber meine Aussage war eher so gedacht, dass Du Cinebench einfach mal laufen lassen kannst und dann danach im BIOS/UEFI wieder das voreingestellte Profil von ASUS aktivieren und nochmal Cinebench laufen lassen. Damit Du lediglich prüfen kannst, ob sich da überhaupt was verändert (positiv oder negativ) und du zumindest einen groben Vergleich hast. Danach zurück ins BIOS und das "Gaming" Profil wieder deaktivieren (scheint bei Dir ja sowieso nicht gut zu laufen - vielleicht mal mit nem anderen Spiel testen?). Die Ergebnisse notierst Du Dir und wenn Du dann "richitg" übertaktest, hast Du einen guten Anhaltspunkt wieviel es gebracht hat. Auch bzw. gerade im Vergleich zum voreingestellten UEFI Profil. Lad Dir vorher noch CoreTemp und CPU-Z runter, dann siehst du auch schön welcher Kern gerade unter wieviel Last ist, wie warm die einzelnen Kerne werden und mit welcher Taktfrequenz sie laufen. Eine instabile Übertaktung kann m.W.n. auch zu Performanceproblemen führen, selbst wenn die CPU auf dem Papier (bzw. dem Bildschirm) eigentlich schneller sein sollte. Und in VR macht sich sowas dann halt besonders gut bemerkbar. Ich verstehe Cinebench eher als Vorab-Stabilitätstest und um direkt zu überprüfen, wieviel die Maßnahme überhaupt gebracht hat. Läuft Cinebench stabil durch, kann man dann mit nem richtigen Stabilitätstest (Prime95) weiter machen.