Downgraded R-60 and R-73 AA missiles?

Have the Russian infrared AA missiles been severely downgraded in 1.5.4?

i dont know but the one INVISIBLE AIM-9 P5 i shot rocket trail looked like it turned as good as a bus.

I also noticed the Russian anti-radiation missiles seem to be somewhat less effective as well.

i dont know but the one INVISIBLE AIM-9 P5 i shot rocket trail looked like it turned as good as a bus.

Yeah... The P-5 is just as efficient as the P-3, the only difference is that instead of giving up from the rail, it tries to do something...

Could you not hijack a threat about russian missiles with US missiles, it will get toxic XD

Yes, they seem to have disabled the former already bad proximity fuses altogether now. I evaded 8 missiles in 10 seconds yesterday by just turning into them slightly, ETs, ERs, 73s. On a site note, gunning doesn't work as well anymore, since due to the new netcode targets are not where they are in game.

Miss distances are larger than they used to be. All you need is a 6G pull do dodge AIM-120C fired from 8 NM away @20k. Proximity fuses fail occasionally also but most misses that I counted from ACMI were due to miss distance being about 90feet or more because the missile couldn't keep it's nose pointed to the intercept point. 90% of missile hits were due to proximity fuse so I don't think it's any worse than it used to be. Miss distance has increased for AIM-120C, AIM-9M, R-27ER and R-27ET by my experience (all the missiles I have used so far). I think this is a global phenomenon affecting all missiles.

The problem also is on the fuze's side : yesterday I had aim-9s fly so close that I thought they were going to impact fuze (but in fact were just REALLY close) and didn't prox. fuze at all.

I've noticed an all around drop in missile performance with with the 1.5.4 patch as well. I don't have any hard data to back it up, but in dogfights and BVR practice that I do regularly with my squadron I have been consistently missing shots that previously would have been almost guaranteed hits, and I have been evading missiles that I was convinced were going to hit. It doesn't appear to be just the Russian missiles, but all of the ones I've seen so far.

I thought I might have been going crazy, but I'm glad I wasn't the only one to notice.

Most of the misses in my tests that previously should have hit had about 90 feet miss distance. From cockpit it looks almost a direct hit if you happen to see it but it's still two times farther or more than the fuze trigger distance which is 15 m for AIM-120C, 11 m for R-27 and 5 m for AIM-9/R-73 (DCS missile values). There were also some near misses that failed to trigger even when the distance was small enough but proximity fuze failure occurred only twice in about 40 hits. It's probably more than it used to be but not the main problem.

On MP the performance of the r27r, T and r73 are abismal. Against a A-10 I did shot from 12 km 4 27r all missed.

At 8 km 2 T all missed.

3 km 2 r73 all missed.

Now using the mirage not a single miss unless I loose track for the semiactive.

May as well just open the canopy and throw bricks then! A lot of the missiles are nearly useless in this 1.5.4 patch. :doh:

On MP the performance of the r27r, T and r73 are abismal. Against a A-10 I did shot from 12 km 4 27r all missed.

At 8 km 2 T all missed.

3 km 2 r73 all missed.

 

 

Now using the mirage not a single miss unless I loose track for the semiactive.

The Mirage's missiles probably haven't been messed with yet. Watch out! Maybe next patch?

Nah, I missed the AI Tu-22 on Open Conflict with 2 Magics. The bomber was flying straight and level and the Magics were at least 500 meters off the mark! 3R3 and R60M couldn't hit the Tu-22 either.

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=170090

So far no trouble with human targets, but tomorrow I'll probably be cursed, too.

gavagai, yes this is pretty depressing. Strange there's no comment by ED on this issue and some other issues with the troublesome 1.5.4 release. I'm loosing interest in this version fast and may be rolling back to 1.5.3 soon or abandoning DCS temporarily for some other projects until this is attended to.

ED rarely releases statements compared to 3rd parties, so it's not that surprising.

ED rarely releases statements compared to 3rd parties, so it's not that surprising.

Yes, but often an ED team member or beta tester will comment and acknowledge a bug as [reported]. There's been nothing on most of these issues. Maybe it's too early? or there are just too many issues/reports to communicate with us on this new 1.5.4 patch?

This works for most of the sim's components, but missile has always been a Pandora box for ED so statements will be even less frequent (think about the 10^50 threads about missiles...all they got from ED was ''well...maybe we'll work on our guidance at some point'').

That is of course assuming ED made missiles worst by accident...

This works for most of the sim's components, but missile has always been a Pandora box for ED so statements will be even less frequent (think about the 10^50 threads about missiles...all they got from ED was ''well...maybe we'll work on our guidance at some point'').

That is of course assuming ED made missiles worst by accident...

:thumbup:

Are you flying online? If so it may be the changes in the net code. I haven't noticed any difference in single player.

AOG

Are you flying online? If so it may be the changes in the net code. I haven't noticed any difference in single player.

 

AOG

Yes, good point! All my flights are multiplayer. I hardly ever fly singleplayer anymore. I just re-read the 1.5.4 changelog.

* Multiplayer. Reworked aircraft motion algorithms to improve resistance to lags

Hmmmmm...... I think maybe they need to re-do those algorithms! Do multiplayer changes get play tested before release?

Wow, was just playing on line missiles seem to be completely useless. Most my on line engagement end up in gun fights.

Hi guys i have a little question.

I don't know for RU missile, i almost fly with the F15C with his 120C AMRAAM. And, this missile have a maximum range of 30NM, i do know it's the maximum range so the impact probability are low, but this missile can at least reach a target at 30N.

So, is that normal that even in really good shot configuration, this missile miss the target in 50% of the case at a 9NM shot. I mean seriously, we can call it BVR ? 9NM ? It's not serious ...

I'm not sure but at FC2 time, i remember that we could shot 120C at 16NM and splash the target. DCS disgusted me with those BVR fight that are since few month already so useless, just gave a new try last week ... things still the same if it's not worse. And i'm pretty sure that RU missile have the same issue, because i do remember that RU aircraft used to launch before my F-15C in BVR (arround 20NM), and they now shot at the same time (this stupid 10NM range).

Honnestly it's getting me so bored of DCS to see my effective range getting lower and lower update after update, 16NM, then 13NM, now 9NM ... what's next ? 5NM ?

And basicly in FALCON BMS, when someone launch a 120C on you at 9NM, you have to fight hard and you can pray to try escape.

BVR is an utopia in DCS. usually 120s have a range of 10NM head on and maybe 3NM on a cold target that wants to defend. But as I've said its quite hard to convince ED on missile performance so...get that cannon ready.