Trees in DCS Black Shark

Ok so if trees don't provide a collide object, then I would assume munitions would be able to go through them. Does this include radar or lasers (targeting systems) as well? How about AI line of sight?

If those answer a 'yes', (especially the AI line of sight!) then the AI for all practical purposes doesn't SEE the trees at all. Which puts us - the player - at a disadvantage.

To remedy this, there should be an option to turn off the trees. Is this available?

Yep, its like that. You cannot hide behind trees:

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=31242&page=5

Hmmm if trees aren't fair so everybody can delete trees models from game and there won't be disadvantages and advantages ;)

Hey, I didn't even have trees on in LOMAC until I built a better computer. Turning off trees in DCS might be a common option in multiplayer until a new engine is developed.

I can't believe what I'm reading.. You can't hide behind trees in a helicopter simulator you have spent almost 5 years of developing?

Personally would love to have Collidable trees........ - you would not be able to get away with the following Tomfoolery..........:D

I can't believe what I'm reading.. You can't hide behind trees in a helicopter simulator you have spent almost 5 years of developing?

Sorry m8, things of the old engine. Fixing it would be effort throw to the trash and it would eat a lot more frames. Maybe in the future, with the new engine...

Regards!!

but hovering behind any and all obstacles you can find is a big part of attack helicopter tactics. i really from where do you have the information that player cant collide with trees in BS and also that they will not hide you from the AI.

i would really like an official answer about this matter cause if its really such then this proves to be a game and not the state of the art sim we are waiting for.

It is true, Do a search for trees. You will find many threads on this subject. In the next version releas with the new code we are hoping that there will be colibale trees.

DCS tryed to use Speed trees but found it was too hard on the FPS to use. They made a dision not to make the trees colidabel so they can spend time fixing other more imporant things. I agree with you that in a helo sim it is a must to have trees to hide behind. But it is was it is so just enjoy the view and hope hor them in latter versions of DCS.

Ok here is a question. Can the buildings be destroyed? Colaspable? (HOLY C#$$ now where do I hide:doh:)

Ok here is a question. Can the buildings be destroyed? Colaspable? (HOLY C#$$ now where do I hide:doh:)

http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=b6soV7yVjj0

min 3:30

Regards!!

but hovering behind any and all obstacles you can find is a big part of attack helicopter tactics. i really from where do you have the information that player cant collide with trees in BS and also that they will not hide you from the AI.

i would really like an official answer about this matter cause if its really such then this proves to be a game and not the state of the art sim we are waiting for.

It has already been answered officially at some point in the past, either EvilBivol or Wags. ED Testers have also indicated the same thing. Also...state of the art? Hard to call software from a genre that has had no NEW material in about 5 years "state of the art". There really isn't a "state" to begin with. You have to start somewhere. That somewhere is with the engine ED has available. Unfortunately that engine has trees that are just eye candy.

http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=b6soV7yVjj0

 

min 3:30

 

Regards!!

yes but that Is a verry old video from LO BS (TBS) not DCS BS. I know they are the same difrance. But that was with a hole difrent code. If we can get a Beta tester to anser or a DCS rep I would belive it. But I will say thanks for the video:thumbup: (already have it on HD:music_whistling:).

Any beta testers out their that can conferm this. (building colapse/destruction)

Form what I can tell any 3d modeller can make a collidable object and that includes trees, there must be some other reason for not having collidable trees than the current engine.

A collision box may not resemble a realistic collision with a tree but at least some wouldn’t dare to fly through it.

Yes. Instant death would be better than how it is now.. couldn't the sprites be made collidable and non-transparent to sensors and AI vision?

No one has thought of implementing sprites yet but AI wouldn’t tell the difference.

No one has thought of implementing sprites yet but AI wouldn’t tell the difference.

I want hide behind tree just put somewaht as trasparent wall in where the tree popup from TGA?

Are you guys kidding.... ????

There was a mod by TOMCATZ (IIRC) with transparent box placed around the object...

a dynamical tree flowing in the wind would be very nice

With dinamical birds around it, nests, eggs and maybe squirrels. XD

With dinamical birds around it, nests, eggs and maybe squirrels. XD

Eggs can bash alright but squirrel teeth hmm.