didilman Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 At the point where i"am Im ready to buy M2000C with clickable cockpit and weapons with a good SFM that they will improve like they did with FSX one ,pre-order that give u beta access. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wizard_03 Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 (edited) The Point Zeus was making is that in a perfect world SFM would be exact as PFM because the sim would, in a perfect world, be as accurate as RL and that the result of an SFM (or allowing the sim [DCS world] to dictate flight characteristics) would be true to life because the sim would be perfect. unfortunately DCS is not perfect so FMs all require tuning to get more realistic behavior hence AFM, PFM and EFM Has nothing to do FSX totally different animal. Edited September 14, 2015 by Wizard_03 DCS F/A-18C :sorcerer: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojo Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 I don't see the problem here : SFM : aircraft performances (speed, G loads, turn rates, climb rates...) AFM : fine tuning of aircraft behavior both in the air and on ground Is it that hard to understand ? Anyway it is Work In Progress. No one outside of team has flown it yet. So how can someone judge what is being done ? Please stop that pointless argument...we'll see when it's ready ! Mirage fanatic ! I7-7700K/ MSI RTX3080/ RAM 64 Go/ SSD / TM Hornet stick-Virpil WarBRD + Virpil CM3 Throttle + MFG Crosswind + Reverb G2. Flickr gallery: https://www.flickr.com/gp/71068385@N02/728Hbi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didilman Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 (edited) As I say Im not a real pilot how i will able to see hardcore SFM or PFM? I wear glasses so I get refused at french army as fighter pilot so SFM or PFM no matter to me what matter is piloting M2000. But if razbm want to release it with AFM its ok. Can M2000 do unrestricted climb like this? Edited September 14, 2015 by didilman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westr Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 Am I wrong in thinking that the Su-25T back in FC2 had an advanced SFM and still does now in DCSW? and it feels really good in my opinion I still enjoy the SU-25, Im sure when they get their AFM it will be an improvement but he has got a point. RYZEN 7 3700X Running at 4.35 GHz NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080Ti 32gb DDR4 RAM @3200 MHz Oculus CV1 NvME 970 EVO TM Warthog Stick & Throttle plus 11" extension. VKB T-Rudder MKIV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VincentLaw Posted September 14, 2015 Share Posted September 14, 2015 Am I wrong in thinking that the Su-25T back in FC2 had an advanced SFM and still does now in DCSW? and it feels really good in my opinion I still enjoy the SU-25, Im sure when they get their AFM it will be an improvement but he has got a point.Any airplane that can land on grass without instantly exploding in DCS does not use an SFM. According to the product terms page, the Su-25T has an AFM, and the Su-25 has an AFM+. http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=122801 In any case, AI always uses an SFM, so it was essential for RAZBAM to develop the SFM for their Mirage 2000C even though they are developing an EFM for player controlled aircraft. I believe when he said the SFM was aerodynamically the same he meant that the SFM version very closely matches the performance charts for the real airplane. Of course there will be a noticeable difference between the SFM and an EFM/AFM/PFM in flight from the player perspective, but it is important for AI flight performance to be as close to the player flight performance as possible, and that is what RAZBAM has done. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hannibal Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 Su-25T in DCS has an amzing flight model... YOU try to fly that beast fully loaded.. you will have to manhandle that taking off and landing. hopefully M2000C will share an ample experience with an AFM, fully loaded... find me on steam! username: Hannibal_A101A http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197969447179 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PiedDroit Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 Su-25T in DCS has an amzing flight model... YOU try to fly that beast fully loaded.. you will have to manhandle that taking off and landing. hopefully M2000C will share an ample experience with an AFM, fully loaded... Mmm I don't think it means what you think it means... If you "manhandle" it (I had to google this one) you will end up deep below ground level ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kazereal Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 I don't see the problem here : SFM : aircraft performances (speed, G loads, turn rates, climb rates...) AFM : fine tuning of aircraft behavior both in the air and on ground Is it that hard to understand ? Unfortunately it is not that simple and can't be "split" that way. Don't get me wrong here, I really like having good simulations and hope this one succeeds as well. Problem seems to be that people underestimate the complexity and amount of work involved in flight model. In personal experience software projects are often underestimated in amount of work so they end up very late, over the cost and/or cancelled. So I do hope whoever they have working on this realizes in detail what the work involves. And as said before, in a perfect world we would just input data and sim engine would magically give us perfect flight model. In real world it does not work that way. In a simulation aircraft performance depends on things like aerodynamic lift and drag at specific altitude, engine thrust at different settings and atmospheric conditions and so on. You can calculate various coefficients and factors separately at different parts of simulation and integrate at physics engine but there are limits and often things "feed back" into other parts of calculations. So until there is a video of working AFM on this I'm somewhat worried about the statements made before. "I would have written a shorter post, but I did not have the time." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeus67 Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 Now the full set of external fuel tanks is available: "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." "The three most dangerous things in the world are a programmer with a soldering iron, a hardware type with a program patch and a user with an idea." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hook47 Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 Tanks allot, Razbam! Lame, I know.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wizard_03 Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 looks awesome, Great work! :thumbup: getting hyped for it! DCS F/A-18C :sorcerer: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeus67 Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 More images: "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." "The three most dangerous things in the world are a programmer with a soldering iron, a hardware type with a program patch and a user with an idea." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
didilman Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 Hello same helmet than fsx version?? Cant see on tablet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackLion213 Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 Thank you! I love all of these pictures. Glad you included the RP541s - quirky and awesome external tanks! -Nick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Random Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 Thats a lot of fuel! Wish stores had collision and damage mosels! Imagine hitting one of those tanks with a 20mm incendiary.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SNAFU Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 ... or booster jets... :pilotfly: Thanks for the pictures! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Unsere Facebook-Seite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aginor Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 Cool tanks! DCSW weapons cheat sheet speed cheat sheet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griphy Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 Looking great! Thanks for the regular updates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArsonsAngel Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 (edited) This thing is super:thumbup:, very nice photos samsung s6 edge handyhülle Edited September 16, 2015 by ArsonsAngel Wer seiner Jugend nachlaeuft, laeuft dem Alter in die Arme.iphone 6s etui Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Rage* Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 Looks great. Can't wait! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 64th "Scorpions" Aggressor Squadron Discord: 64th Aggressor Squadron TS: 195.201.110.22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stratos Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 (edited) Shame it cannot carry a targetting pod. Would have been a very fun addition, a fast jet capable of searching the targets trough a targetting pod. Hope we can mod it somehow, maybe adding the A-10C targetting pod? Edited September 15, 2015 by Stratos I don't understand anything in russian except Davai Davai! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuiGon Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 (edited) Shame it cannot carry a targetting pod. Would have been a very fun addition, a fast jet capable of searching the targets trough a targetting pod. Hope we can mod it somehow, maybe adding the A-10C targetting pod? I find the exact opposite to be the case. It's great to have a fast jet capable of ground attacks and even LGBs without a TGP. That makes the OA-10C more important as well as ground JTACs to find targets and direct the attack plane on them. And of course: buddy lasing!! That leads me to another question, that hasn't been discussed here as far as I know (if it has been pls point me to it :)): What are the DataLink capabilities of the (DCS) Mirage? Link16 for any chance? Edited September 15, 2015 by QuiGon Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manuel_108 Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 Those tanks look gigantic :O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sedenion Posted September 15, 2015 Share Posted September 15, 2015 Those tanks look gigantic :O 2000L (~530 Gal) for the biggest. The M2k is a thickset aircraft... the tank looks bigger. The configuration with the two big external tanks is called "grosses couilles"/"big balls" (yes, "balls" as you understand it...). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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