panzerd18 Posted February 10, 2015 Posted February 10, 2015 For some reason the Mig-27 has started to grow on me.
BadHabit Posted April 10, 2015 Posted April 10, 2015 Why not make the F-4E Phantom? Then you have a rival for mutliplayer at last for the mig-21 and we will finally see it on servers being used as it should, with proper war theater for those great aircraft's! This is my opinion which fills the gap that the mig-21bis opened. There is no role for the mig-21 in multiplayer server as it is now. And you multiply this gap by adding planes like the mig-23 or the f-14. This is my request to Leatherneck that created my favorite model in every flight sim but it does not support it properly by announcing those crafts. "These are not the bugs you are looking for..":pilotfly: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] My YouTube channel SPECS -AMD FX8370 8 Core Processor 4.2 ghz -GIGABYTE 970A-UD3P -GTX 1050 TI Windforce 4g -16 GB RAM -Saitek X 52 -FaceNOIRtrack - 3 point clip Red Led
Exorcet Posted April 12, 2015 Posted April 12, 2015 This is my opinion which fills the gap that the mig-21bis opened. There is no role for the mig-21 in multiplayer server as it is now. It has plenty of roles. It's all about mission design. Not everything has to be Vietnam/Gulf. Awaiting: DCS F-15C Win 10 i5-9600KF 4.6 GHz 64 GB RAM RTX2080Ti 11GB -- Win 7 64 i5-6600K 3.6 GHz 32 GB RAM GTX970 4GB -- A-10C, F-5E, Su-27, F-15C, F-14B, F-16C missions in User Files
realtrance Posted April 13, 2015 Posted April 13, 2015 I just picked up the -15 (Belsimtek) and LS's -21 -- as always, absolutely top-notch study sims in DCS! I'm now thoroughly addicted to MiGs... and must have more of this caliber! :) Thank you for such incredible work, truly astonishing stuff. ROG Maximus X, Intel i7-3770 3.5GHz , Nvidia 680Ti, 16GB DDR3 2400MHz, Logitech Extreme 3D Pro
mjmorrow Posted November 20, 2015 Posted November 20, 2015 (edited) It has plenty of roles. It's all about mission design. Not everything has to be Vietnam/Gulf. I would have thought that myself, Exorcet, but check this out: http://www.nytimes.com/1985/01/02/world/soviet-said-to-put-mig-23-s-in-vietnam.html Apparently, everything comes back to Vietnam and the Gulf, in a six degrees of Kevin Bacon sort of way. :lol: We could totally have a what if post US Vietnam War proxy war, taking place in 1985, where the Mig-23 is in Vietnam. I think it could be a cool match up, too. We could have the Mirage & F-14 square off against the Mig-23 and have the F5E square off against the Mig-21bis, over Vietnam. Just imagine the French & Americans work together on some post US Vietnam War proxy war or something. :thumbup: MJ Edited November 20, 2015 by mjmorrow [sIGPIC]http://i688.photobucket.com/albums/vv250/mjmorrow76/SPAD%20of%20a%20new%20generation_zpshcbftpce.png[/sIGPIC]
Dudikoff Posted November 20, 2015 Posted November 20, 2015 We could totally have a what if post US Vietnam War proxy war, taking place in 1985, where the Mig-23 is in Vietnam. I think it could be a cool match up, too. We could have the Mirage & F-14 square off against the Mig-23 and have the F5E square off against the Mig-21bis, over Vietnam. Just imagine the French & Americans work together on some post US Vietnam War proxy war or something. Sounds pretty good, although some dedicated A2G player controlled planes would be nice to have (like e.g. Jaguar or A-7E or something along those lines). Of course, there should be a map first :) i386DX40@42 MHz w/i387 CP, 4 MB RAM (8*512 kB), Trident 8900C 1 MB w/16-bit RAMDAC ISA, Quantum 340 MB UDMA33, SB 16, DOS 6.22 w/QEMM + Win3.11CE, Quickshot 1btn 2axis, Numpad as hat. 2 FPH on a good day, 1 FPH avg. DISCLAIMER: My posts are still absolutely useless. Just finding excuses not to learn the F-14 (HB's Swansong?). Annoyed by my posts? Please consider donating. Once the target sum is reached, I'll be off to somewhere nice I promise not to post from. I'd buy that for a dollar!
Cool Breeze Posted November 20, 2015 Posted November 20, 2015 Sounds pretty good, although some dedicated A2G player controlled planes would be nice to have (like e.g. Jaguar or A-7E or something along those lines). Of course, there should be a map first :) RAZBAMs A-7E is in the works, and that could fill the bill for a Naval, Marine Corps, and Air Force fighter bomber. I think a "proxy" war is applicable in any of the upcoming maps, with the exception of NTTR. Though I'm in favour of having the aircraft and appropriate ground units before or worth the map. "For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Leonardo Da Vinci "We are tied to the ocean. And when we go back to the sea, whether it is to sail or to watch - we are going back from whence we came." John F. Kennedy
pepin1234 Posted November 20, 2015 Posted November 20, 2015 (edited) I don't want a Mig-23 made by Leatherneck. Actually I don't want any other Russian plain made by them. When the first time I played the missions they made for the Mig-21 and see how they design these missions With the Mig-21 in the Blue side, with AWACS... All is said there... It is like buy Vodka made in USA. ED please bring the Mig-23. PD: Actually we don't find MP missions made for the Mig-21 (with EWR). Classic... the team that made the Aircraft are not supporting the Mig-21 combat tactics, so what gone do the folk, replicate the action. Just go to MP and you will see nothing there for the Mig-21, just you see the slots of the 21 for the Duck hunting with the Mig-21 as Duck. Edited November 20, 2015 by pepin1234 1 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
LUFT26 Posted November 20, 2015 Posted November 20, 2015 I don't want a Mig-23 made by Leatherneck. Actually I don't want any other Russian plain made by them. +++! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Kev2go Posted November 21, 2015 Posted November 21, 2015 I don't want a Mig-23 made by Leatherneck. Actually I don't want any other Russian plain made by them. When the first time I played the missions they made for the Mig-21 and see how they design these missions With the Mig-21 in the Blue side, with AWACS... All is said there... It is like buy Vodka made in USA. ED please bring the Mig-23. PD: Actually we don't find MP missions made for the Mig-21 (with EWR). Classic... the team that made the Aircraft are not supporting the Mig-21 combat tactics, so what gone do the folk, replicate the action. Just go to MP and you will see nothing there for the Mig-21, just you see the slots of the 21 for the Duck hunting with the Mig-21 as Duck. There is an f5e being developed by Belsimtek. So mig21 will have a western opponent from a similar era and capabilities to fight. Mig21 is a good modules. Still enjoyable to fight. There really isn't worth whinning about. So yes I would very much like to see a mig23. After leather neck finishes tje f14 of course. Build: Windows 10 64 bit Pro Case/Tower: Corsair Graphite 760tm ,Asus Strix Z790 Motherboard, Intel Core i7 12700k ,Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 64gb ram (3600 mhz) , (Asus strix oc edition) Nvidia RTX 3080 12gb , Evga g2 850 watt psu, Hardrives ; Samsung 970 EVo, , Samsung evo 860 pro 1 TB SSD, Samsung evo 850 pro 1TB SSD, WD 1TB HDD
sLYFa Posted November 21, 2015 Posted November 21, 2015 I don't want a Mig-23 made by Leatherneck. Actually I don't want any other Russian plain made by them. Forgive me my ignorance (I dont own the mig21 module), but from what Ive heard the LN mig-21 is quite a decent rendition of its real counterpart, so where does that oppinion come from? i5-8600k @4.9Ghz, 2080ti , 32GB@2666Mhz, 512GB SSD
pepin1234 Posted November 21, 2015 Posted November 21, 2015 (edited) WForgive me my ignorance (I dont own the mig21 module), but from what Ive heard the LN mig-21 is quite a decent rendition of its real counterpart, so where does that oppinion come from? This team have not made any mission regarding the real tactics of the Mig-21 as interceptor with EWR guided support from the ground. As you are not Mig-21 user, you can't see that. If you buy an Russian interceptor fighter and you see the team developer made the in build missions with the Mig-21 in blue side (my god) with AWACS support (what the h*ll is that, this is USAF tactics). Tell me where is the point there to make a Russian interceptor of the 60's. I can make my own missions with EWR as interceptor, but what about the new customers they don't know use the mission editor? Better they keep their next work in Non Russian fighters with all different tactics and task, whatever they want, and leave the Russian fighters with defensive tactics for another developers want to do all the job without guesses. Edited November 21, 2015 by pepin1234 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
King_Hrothgar Posted November 21, 2015 Posted November 21, 2015 The MiG-21's stock campaign is garbage admittedly, but I don't view that as a major issue in the context of DCS. And even as questionable as the campaign is, it is still better than the MiG-15's campaign.
pepin1234 Posted November 21, 2015 Posted November 21, 2015 (edited) So in the Leatherneck simulation the Mig-21 was made to fight against Mig-23... I don't see any political issue to simulate the Mig-21 in his real side and with the real tactics. The simulation with AWACS is a non sense and the terrain masking issue is lost. We like a Mig-23 without prejudices!!! Edited November 21, 2015 by pepin1234 1 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Exorcet Posted November 21, 2015 Posted November 21, 2015 A MiG campaign where you fight against Russia makes as much sense as one where you fight for Russia. The MiG-21 is highly exported, so a situation like this is far from pure fantasy. I understand that some people will only care about a campaign if it is a pure copy of something that really happened, but that doesn't give you a basis to knock a dev's campaign choice. Awaiting: DCS F-15C Win 10 i5-9600KF 4.6 GHz 64 GB RAM RTX2080Ti 11GB -- Win 7 64 i5-6600K 3.6 GHz 32 GB RAM GTX970 4GB -- A-10C, F-5E, Su-27, F-15C, F-14B, F-16C missions in User Files
Farlander Posted November 21, 2015 Posted November 21, 2015 (edited) I don't want a Mig-23 made by Leatherneck. Actually I don't want any other Russian plain made by them. 1. No i don't agree. I would love a MiG-23! 2. I agree, they should not develop russian plains! They should focus on their planes! EDIT: Seriously.. I think they did a great job with the MiG-21, and i think they plan on improving it further in the future. Remember that warning about it being a "beta" product? Yes, development is a thing, and it will take some time. Edited November 21, 2015 by Farlander
Farlander Posted November 21, 2015 Posted November 21, 2015 PD: Actually we don't find MP missions made for the Mig-21 (with EWR). Classic... the team that made the Aircraft are not supporting the Mig-21 combat tactics, so what gone do the folk, replicate the action. Just go to MP and you will see nothing there for the Mig-21, just you see the slots of the 21 for the Duck hunting with the Mig-21 as Duck. Well... from what i've heard the AWACS and stuff is bugged for ALL planes. That's why you won't see too much of it. In addition the MiG-21 does not currently have a good opponent, and so PvP missions will be rare ;) By best advice is to find some buddys to play with and do a multiplayer co-op. It was great fun flying the dynamic campaign with some friends in the MiG-21 :)
Tarres Posted November 21, 2015 Posted November 21, 2015 For our squad, we´ve a mod with all the mission tuned to be as real (with the great limitations that the LN-21bis has regarding to systems especially) as possible. With EWR, proper SAM configurations (SA-10 with search radars and not with EWR radars for example) , F-4&F-5 as the main adversary planes with some F-15 with -7& -9, tuned training & single missions, R_NAV file acording to the limitations that the 21 had and with standard NDB morse codes for the Caucasus. But is very time consuming.
pepin1234 Posted November 21, 2015 Posted November 21, 2015 (edited) A MiG campaign where you fight against Russia makes as much sense as one where you fight for Russia. The MiG-21 is highly exported, so a situation like this is far from pure fantasy. I understand that some people will only care about a campaign if it is a pure copy of something that really happened, but that doesn't give you a basis to knock a dev's campaign choice. I don't agree with you. Is not any reason to do a Mig-21 official campaign by the developer, setting the Mig-21 in the side with countries did fight against in real life. They even went too far using the Russian fighters against the Mig-21 in this campaign. This is a non simulation attempt, and it is disrespectful for the Mikoyan Bereau and for all the Soviets pilots. We don't care about which side want to play Cobra or his team. We care about the logical use of the weapon and the policy they used with the Mig-21 showed they are not the best team to do Russian fighters in a multi sides simulator like this. They should make the hardware as real and with the real side this weapon was used. It is ridiculous see a campaign of the Mig-21 inside countries never have taken Mig-21 as own hardware, using a non original tactics and using as enemy the Russian fighters. When you see the explanation they wrote in the campaign briefing is like ask for apologies because they made the wrong fighter. We don't need see this ridiculous reaction by a developer again. This is a game, not real life. The Mig-23 is a non sense made by a team acting like that. Edited November 21, 2015 by pepin1234 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Bidartarra Posted November 21, 2015 Posted November 21, 2015 You just highlighted a disclaimer dude, chill.
Farlander Posted November 21, 2015 Posted November 21, 2015 (edited) I don't agree with you. Is not any reason to do a Mig-21 official campaign by the developer, setting the Mig-21 in the side with countries did fight against in real life. They even went too far using the Russian fighters against the Mig-21 in this campaign. This is a non simulation attempt, and it is disrespectful for the Mikoyan Bereau and for all the Soviets pilots. We don't care about which side want to play Cobra or his team. Read what the mission description says, and then read what you respond with. As said in the mission, it is not based on reality. Edited November 21, 2015 by Farlander
Ce_Zeta Posted November 21, 2015 Posted November 21, 2015 I fully agree with Pepin. This module is a nonsense until we remember what's happen.... If they developed a Fishbed, they should learn all about it! Tactics, systems, doctrines, history, operational use...And of course is easy develop a credible campaign where the fishbeds are used with the proper tactics, enemies and support (A E2D??? What a joke!). Farlander, I love the Flogger too, but I want a good Flogger module!! So My hopes for a BST MiG-23. It's a simulator, not a game. [sIGPIC]http://i.imgur.com/YexElgV.jpg[/sIGPIC]
pepin1234 Posted November 21, 2015 Posted November 21, 2015 (edited) Read what the mission description says, and then read what you respond with. As said in the mission, it is not based on reality. They could make a fictitious campaign setting the Mig-21 in the right side with the Russians, setting whatever country they want. What is wrong if they do like that?? We see this example everyday online with missions and is not a bad deal and everybody do well enough. What gone be the Mig-23 campaign by Leatherneck?? F-14 with the Mig-23 as wingman against the Chinese F-16... then they gone write a nice briefing with apologies: we don't like hurting hearts... come on Edited November 21, 2015 by pepin1234 1 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
lokodehortaleza Posted November 21, 2015 Posted November 21, 2015 Given the only available theater is the Caucasus, I guess they could've gone for a classic 70's or early 80's Cold War gone hot scenario, like the Guardians of Caucasus user campaign. Who knows why they choose to do a fictional scenario instead. To be honest i haven't played Stillness in Time so i can't judge if it's good or not. I don't think this is ever going to be the case again with LNS however, as they plan to release matching theaters and content with their next aircraft.
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