Su-33 recommended carrier approach and touchdown speeds..

[WildBillKelsoe]

Practicing carrier ops now.. As sterile as it feels, there is a challenge everytime, and I wish the seas could flip the deck and to have a deck crosshair approach camera for this. Would be a great multiplayer slot.

 

Anyways, I usually touchdown at 240 -250 km/h and hear a cracking sound (like something happened to my gears)... what is the recommended approach speed and landing speed on the 33?

 

Oh, and yes, I checked FC2 manuals for that table, and I know that its not mentioning landing speeds for Su-33.

 

Oh, is a triangle a friendly or is it the circle? HUD shenanigans if you will..

[joey45]

Red means too low/slow.. You should have a recommended speed and alt on the HUD with the to circles....

 

Triangles.. Do you mean the ILS indicator.?

[Evilducky]

250 is fine. That cracking sound you hear is the hook catching the wire. Ill touch down somewhere between 250 and 270.

 

Circles are friendlies on the radar.

[Zabuzard]

Land using the Nav-Landing mode. It should display proper height and speed in the upper section of the HUD. Train with that and get a feeling for it after that you can try it without the HUD or at night etc.

 

You can also check the Su-25T manual because it's the same system.

If you want to go even deeper into that you can read some of the Falcon BMS manuals on ILS Landings which are very in detail (it's pretty similiar to the russian system more or less).

Edited March 18, 2014 by Zabuza

[WildBillKelsoe]

thanks guys. I guess I have to have the doughnut every time on final. Off to some radar/AAR/landing practice now...

[IvanK]

10 Degrees AOA works just fine

[WildBillKelsoe]

its tough to even know that I'm asceding or descending without a particular hud mode. that seems random to spawn unless the K for Kuznetsov (?) appears

[winchesterdelta1]

Keep the little circle in the big circle and you will almost land perfectly. :)

[WildBillKelsoe]

I did but the slope demands I trim down nose and offset with stick pull otherwise its trim up nose and push down stick. Any ways to fine tune the trim button sensitivity?

[Lizzard]

I follow the ILS circles and approach the Carrier with 300 km/h (enough speed the manouver gently and to see the Carrier properly), and set the throttle to idle round about 10 sec before touchdown..so I impact on the Carrier with ca 270 km/h. Allways works fine

Edited March 19, 2014 by Lizzard

[159th_Viper]

I did but the slope demands I trim down nose and offset with stick pull otherwise its trim up nose and push down stick. Any ways to fine tune the trim button sensitivity?

 

No need for trim: Don't over-think things, just put the wee circle in the big circle, marry the aircraft datum to it all and you're golden. Most important, anticipate and think 'ahead' of any inputs made: Don't over-correct.

 

Line everything up and fly her sweet a$$ into the deck :D

 

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[HiJack]

You are low, waive off ;)

[VincentLaw]

I was watching some players land in multiplayer. They made me nervous because they kept coming in really low at like 400 km/h, and basically flying down instead of "landing." They caught the cables every time though. I guess in the end that's all that really matters.

[Robin_Hood]

Not in real life it ain't ;) If you come too fast, you may either miss the wires (incorrect angle of attack), or possibly break a wire (or even slip off the deck) because the tension was set for a certain speed and weight.

 

Doesn't really matter for now in FC3, though. But the normal way to do it is to use the AoA indexer. You can combine that with the ILS for the slope (either on the HUD or the HSI), because the Fresnel lense doesn't really work.

[NineLine]

No need for trim: Don't over-think things....

 

I get it now, I need cheesy music for better carrier landings.... ;)

[104th_Maverick]

No need for trim

 

Possibly the worst advice ever?? :D ;)

 

There certainly is need for trim but I suppose its all about how difficult you want to make it for yourself, I never attempt to land on a boat without sorting the trim out first!

[159th_Viper]

;2023640']Possibly the worst advice ever?? :D ;)

 

What?

 

Don't trim?

 

All trimming does is lessen pressure on the flightstick - nothing more. In this instance, as per the OP's statement, trimming over-compensates and accordingly is a hindrance, ergo don't trim.

 

Don't be lazy - fly her down hands-on :)

 

 

I need cheesy music for better carrier landings.... ;)

 

Music is the Food of the Soul. Eat on 'ol Pip, eat on :D

Edited March 20, 2014 by 159th_Viper

[Alfa]

Anyways, I usually touchdown at 240 -250 km/h and hear a cracking sound (like something happened to my gears)... what is the recommended approach speed and landing speed on the 33?

 

The exact approach speed depends on your return weight(how much fuel and ordinance you are carrying) - the maximum allowed return weight(real life) on the carrier is some 25 tons.

 

240 - 250 km/h sounds about right for a lightly loaded aircraft - IIRC the minimum approach speed(IAS) is around 240 km/h for the Su-33.

[Bee_Sting]

Your landing speed will also depend on your aircraft's weight. Fully fueled and loaded weapons your speed can be between 290 and 315.

[Zabuzard]

You can land with autopilot fully on. Do that a couple of times and you'll get a feeling of the right slope, speed and AoA etc.

[WildBillKelsoe]

Great work bro. Just spectacular. Really was an eye-opener.

Just finished this training page if anyone's interested in real world US Naval procedures for carrier landing:

VFA-113 Carrier Qualification

 

It goes into a lot of detail on flying carrier approaches

 

[WildBillKelsoe]

Thanks Bill, it's basically NATOPS manuals made a bit easier to read. :)

 

you should consider doing some of these for the A-10C range weaponry (hawgsmoke)

[IvanK]

Your landing speed will also depend on your aircraft's weight. Fully fueled and loaded weapons your speed can be between 290 and 315.

 

if you fly the same On speed AOA (10alpha in the SU33) the weight will be taken care of. The AOA indexer should effectively do the same thing.

IAS will vary but AOA should always be the same regardless of weight ... thats one of the neat things about using AOA for approach (and Range and Endurance flying).

[WildBillKelsoe]

if you fly the same On speed AOA (10alpha in the SU33) the weight will be taken care of. The AOA indexer should effectively do the same thing.

IAS will vary but AOA should always be the same regardless of weight ... thats one of the neat things about using AOA for approach (and Range and Endurance flying).

 

could you post an illustration?

[IvanK]

what would you like an illustration of ? I use 10 AOA on the AOA guage.